OT: Tigers closer Joe Nathan out for the season

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The Tigers will lose the services of closer Joe Nathan for the remainder of the season, manager Brad Ausmus told reporters Thursday.

Nathan has tears in his ulnar collateral ligament and an elbow flexor tendon and will require surgery, Ausmus said.

 

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/04/23/nathan-out-season-tigers/26233533/

 

EDIT:

Well, that escalated quickly.

CaptChuck

April 23rd, 2015 at 10:52 AM ^

Never like to see a season ending injury (now that the guilt is gone), but I think removing him as an option for closer only benefits the Tigers in the long run.

WMUgoblue

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:14 AM ^

This still hurts the Tigers. If Nathan was at least league average then he was likely to help the Tigers lengthen an already short bullpen. So now it's basically just Al and Soria in terms of actual major league arms, that's sad.

Personally i'd love for Dombrowski to trade for Quackenbush from the Padres, but we'll see what happens.

stephenrjking

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:15 AM ^

Yeah. Before I knew how bad it was, my initial response to the report that he had to shorten his rehab assignment was, "Good news!" More time for Soria to lock down the closing job and all. But then I read a headline that, paraphrased, said something like "Nathan's injury means the Tigers will have to rely more on Ian Krol." As a closer I am not high on Nathan at all. But the Tigers need arms that can fill innings, and a healthy Nathan had a chance to do that, possibly as a setup man. His was a bad signing, and I thought so from the beginning, because of his age. And I don't want him to close. But a season-ending injury is bad for him and bad for the team. Dombrowski has done much for the Tigers that is very good. But his failure to secure the bullpen has, quite possibly, cost the team a championship. The continued inability to upgrade it is unconscionable.

ijohnb

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

are paying him, they might as well get something out of the deal.  I kind of am leaning toward believing that JVs impact starter days are over, and they can't move the contract.  If it is bad or non-existent starter JV v. solid middle reliever JV why not at least chose the option where you are not completely just eating the contract.

WMUgoblue

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^

This is the classic response that makes zero logical sense, he signed the top closer on the market last year, and traded 2 top prospects for the hottest reliever in the league last year. If that isn't addressing the problem then I'm not sure what is...

Did they work out, 1 is in the process of working and the other is a complete bust, but it wasn't for lack of trying on Dombrowski's part.

stephenrjking

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:48 AM ^

Needed more in the offseason, though, in my opinion. It's not clear to me that it was ever wise to put faith in Nathan at his age, but after last year's dead arm and lousy performances, it was insane. Now, if he had pitched well this year, that would have been a pleasant and helpful surprise. But you can't wager a crucial season for a team whose window is closing on the good health of a 40-year-old arm. I am hopeful that Rondon will get well and contribute, but he has never demonstrated that he can stay healthy, either. The Tigers did a great job fortifying the outfield in the offseason, and so far the starting rotation moves look solid, but the season started with three or four big-time questionmarks in a bullpen that has catastrophically failed in multiple previous seasons. So far, the only positive return has been Soria. He looks decent, though I'm not blown away by his stuff. But there's nobody else on the roster that can consistently get crucial outs.

WMUgoblue

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:55 AM ^

I'm not disagreeing with you as I would have liked some extra bullpen help, but it boggles my mind how people think Dombrowski didn't do anything to fix it. He signed Nathan, he signed Joba, he signed Hanrahan, he traded for Soria, he traded for Krol, I mean shit that's alot to do in one off-season. While it hasn't worked out, it certainly wasn't for lack of trying. 

Obviously they need more help now, and I'm assuming we'll make a move sooner rather than later but I just can't behind the thought that Dombrowski just ignored the problem.

Canadian

April 23rd, 2015 at 1:27 PM ^

Hanrahan was trying to come back from a prolonged injury though right? And is out with said injury still? I didn't like the Nathan signing from the get go, not worth 20 mil over 2 years at his age.
Krol was a project that was included in the Fister trade. Soria was a deal mid way thru the season last year in desperation and is the only one that I liked.

The Geek

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^

this could be the end of his career. Soria has pitched well in the closer role, but I was looking forward to seeing if Nathan could return to greatness this year.

 

maize-blue

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:44 AM ^

I liked where he was headed just before his surgery. I'm hoping he can be solid again when he comes back. That should help bolster the bullpen quite a bit. I think they still may need one reliable guy. I think they really wanted Krol to work but it just isn't happening yet.

mgoblue0970

April 23rd, 2015 at 3:29 PM ^

Right, because lights out closers grow on trees.  Every team has at least one or two -- Clearly DD should have been able to trade for one or pick up a UFA closer.

nerv

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^

I think this injury saves Brad Ausmus from himself. I really had little to no doubt in my mind that Nathan was going to get put back into the closers role upon returning to the Tigers bullpen. He was done last year as an effective pro pitcher. He could have handled it with more class but he chose instead to lash out against the fans for being unhappy that he was performing extremely poor in the role he was being paid a lot for.

 

This is the end of his career but I dont feel bad for him at all. Guy tortured us for years in Minnesota. Came here. Sucked it up. Was a dick to the fanbase. Now he gets to sit at home and rehab while collecting 10 or so million dollars from the Tigers organization that could have likely got us 2 relievers more useful than him. So... so long Joe.

MiguelCabrera

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^

I know Dombrowski has nothing to give, but what're the chances? If they really want to "win now" a significant move needs to be made.  Ilitch is running out of time faster than he's running out of money.

Moleskyn

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

That does suck for Nathan, and I feel for him, but I am glad that it makes the decision to keep Soria at closer much easier.

That said, the bullpen is starting to look shaky again. Also just saw that Krol has been DFA'd as of this morning, with Alex Wilson coming up to give it a go. Chamberlain has pitched well so far, but he's still a wild card in my mind. AlAl is always inconsistent. Not many options in the 'pen. 

Romeo50

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^

Best case of a bad situation. As stated he was done and its better than a further tarnishing of a stellar career. A Juan gone and Nate Colbert  waste of money for the Tigers. Wish him well in retirement and recuperation that he has ample compensation for and hopefully this will preclude rash statements about the "D".

Coldwater

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:53 AM ^

Been nice knowing him. His career as a Detroit Tiger is over. I wish it would've went better last year for him as I remember him as the Twins closer just owning Detroit

CoverZero

April 23rd, 2015 at 3:28 PM ^

Moving Verlander to the Pen is looking more and more likely if he cant get his health and game together as a starter any more.

ca_prophet

April 23rd, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^

It's too bad for Nathan - he was very good for a long time, and you never want to see that career crash and burn like this. We still don't know how to predict who will get hurt, and relievers are even more volatile just due to the small-sample effect. 50 good innings is a season+ for a reliever, and a quarter season for a starter; it just is not enough data to know how good someone is. This is why signing pitchers to long-term deals is very risky, and why paying big money for a reliever is particularly foolish. Assembling a competent bullpen on the cheap is one of the hallmarks of the "modern GM" - picking through the bargain bin for failed starters, random guys with velocity who you can get on one year deals, breaking in young guns as relievers a la Earl Weaver - and for all his acknowledged acumen in nearly other GM endeavor, DD's (undoubted) efforts here have been badly snakebitten.