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Yeah, before JB's time. But…

Yeah, before JB's time. But I feel like JB could have had a lot of success with those mid-2000s Amaker teams. I always thought there was a lot of talent there. They won the NIT in 2004 with a core of freshmen and sophomores (Horton, Harris, Sims, Hunter, etc.), and I remember being super excited for what the next couple of years would hold, but it just never came together...

That's a really touching…

That's a really touching story, and I'm so glad your son got to give it to him before he passed.

You know, it makes me think, you just never know when it's going to happen. On the one hand, my grandma was in a nursing home with Alzheimer's for 12 years, and I lost count of the number of times hospice was called (i.e. she was supposedly close) yet she just kept plugging away. On the other hand, both of my wife's grandmas (also both with Alzheimer's) declined much faster than most in her family expected (ironically my wife was one of the few that actually realized what was going on, though her attempts to call attention to the decline mostly fell on deaf ears), and I think there's a tinge of regret in her family for not being ready so to speak, not realizing how little time was left...

Another could be accuracy…

Another could be accuracy/consistency, especially on deep throws, but he's thrown - very accurately - into some incredibly tight windows. And from the limited tape I've seen, this is a much bigger issue for Maye than it is for JJ.

Yeah, I've never understood the Maye hype, especially with regards to accuracy (he's never seemed to me to be a particularly accurate QB)...

There seems to be an issue…

There seems to be an issue with embedded code getting deleted from posts. Used to be that you would post the embed code in source mode to embed Youtube clips, GIFs that were too big to upload, etc. I get that there's the media embed button now, but while the issue with posting pictures was going on, embedding a GIF via source code was the only way I could figure out to post images.

Now, whenever I try to embed code via source mode, it seems to instantly get deleted when I switch out of source mode or try to save (if I try to save, it gives a comment required error, because it's as if I'm trying to post a blank comment). Also noticed that a GIF I posted a day or two ago is now gone, it's just a blank comment (so it seems like the problem is affecting past posts as well)...

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I have literally lost every…

I have literally lost every single hand of blackjack I've ever played in a casino. That's my sign not to play...

Glad to hear Jack Johnson is…

Glad to hear Jack Johnson is doing well. He'll always have a special place in my heart as the superstar my first two years at U of M. And I can't help but feel for him with how he got absolutely railroaded by his family.

Fun fact that many probably don't know: before Blues Brothers was a choreographed thing, it used to be one guy getting up and dancing, and in 2005 and 2006, that was Jack Johnson's dad (this memory will forever have a cloud over it given the above). After 2006, Buffalo Hat Guy took over dancing for a year or two, and then the student section started the choreographed dance we know today, and which after a year or two just at Yost started migrating to the Big House as well.

Wasn't Glendening captain…

Wasn't Glendening captain for the Wings for awhile too?

Hadn't realized it until you…

Hadn't realized it until you mentioned it, but I graduated 15 years ago today (though it was a Saturday, not Thursday). Main ceremony in the Big House in the morning, walking across the stage in Crisler for engineering in the afternoon. Have no idea how 15 years went by so quickly.

I will say, I distinctly remember a very real sadness in April of my senior year thinking about all the things I never got around to doing. It was lessened somewhat by coming back for grad school, but my four years of undergrad went by in a flash and I'd give quite a bit to get to go back to those days...

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I see these various posts…

I see these various posts and I wonder who the hell is actually getting into M if these people are getting denied?...

Where did you get those…

Where did you get those numbers? I'm nearly certain that when I applied just a few years later (2004), schools like Yale were way under 10%...

Oregon, out of state for us,…

Oregon, out of state for us, also offered “fake aid” that didn’t make a dent in ridiculous out of state costs for an education that really wasn’t going to be worth it.

I had a couple of similar scholarship offers back when I was applying. I wouldn't necessarily call them "fake aid," because they were decent amounts, but the problem was that both were private schools, and even with the scholarships it was still more expensive than in state at U of M.

Yeah, same here. I just don…

Yeah, same here. I just don't have the time or the energy to follow recruiting at anything more than a nominal level anymore. 

Every year when they do the recruiting follow up posts for the incoming freshmen, there are a handful of guys that I don't recognize. I know my reaction to at least one of the guys that entered the portal recently was "who was that?" And there are even times when I see someone in a game and wonder if they're a walk-on because I have no memory of them...

The bubble isn't breaking,…

The bubble isn't breaking, but rather bills are just going to increase.

For how long though? Maybe people will be willing to pay ever-increasing fees for sports programming, but I feel like at some point it's going to outprice the market...

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But how do you apply that?…

But how do you apply that? Your policy is that you need 60 credits from U of M to graduate, unless you're an athlete, in which case you need 30? The athletes are students too, and it's not unreasonable to hold them to similar standards. Don't forget that Harbaugh routinely graduated players in three years; it's entirely possible to play school while achieving elite results.

Now if you want to talk about eliminating the NCAA's academic progress requirement (40%/60%/80% as discussed above), I'd be receptive. The intent is to make sure guys are keeping up with their education, but at most schools they give you so much help (and at many are willing to bend, if not outright break, so many rules) that you pretty much have to try to not hit it, unless the issue is caused by a transfer.

I'm having trouble…

I'm having trouble understanding your question, so I'll just say this: in order to stay eligible, you need to be 40% of the way to your degree after two years, 60% after three years, and 80% after four years. Since you can only count a max of 60 transfer credits toward the 120 you need to graduate from M, any transfer has their progress capped at 50% when they get here (and that's if they can get 60 credits to transfer, which isn't always easy). So any transfer that's been in school for at least three years would be immediately ineligible here. You may be able to take summer classes to hit the threshold by the fall, but for guys like Davis that have been in school four years but didn't graduate (and aren't in a position to before graduating), you can't take 36+ credits over the summer to get to 80%...

Is Ann Arbor much cheaper…

Is Ann Arbor much cheaper than California these days?

Maybe eventually, but guys…

Maybe eventually, but guys like Trente Jones and Braidan McGregor come to mind who aren't even projected to go that high and still opted to leave for the draft instead of coming back...

That's a fair point. Part of…

That's a fair point. Part of me is like, "dude just got massively overpaid ($100M guaranteed, $180M total for a 35 year old Cousins?!?) so stop whining." But on the flipside, just because the Falcon have an interest in the long-term success of the team doesn't mean Cousins has to. Beyond the paycheck, Cousins' interest is in winning now; why should he be ok with wasting a top 10 pick on a potential QB for after he's gone when it could have instead been used on a player that could help his teams win...

Don't forget that he didn't…

Don't forget that he didn't play a fourth quarter until, what, Penn St.?

Would love for the Lions to…

Would love for the Lions to draft Zinter, though I could see Harbaugh doing that as well.

Yeah. The Penix pick was bad…

Yeah. The Penix pick was bad (a huge reach to take him in the top 10), but in the abstract it's at least defensible. But you can't view it in the abstract, because like you said they just signed Cousins to that $180M deal. I thought that was a huge mistake at the time (they're paying "win-now" money for a QB that hasn't proven he can take a team to the mountaintop), and then they throw away the chance to at least give him some support by drafting another QB. Just baffling...

The analysts always seem to…

The analysts always seem to over-value physical attributes and under-value intangibles

This has to be it. And I feel like you're underselling some of the qualities you listed by calling them intangibles. Leadership is an intangible, but the ability to read defenses and process quickly is a mental attribute, and the mental side of the game is just as important (if not more important) than the physical for most positions.

I've never understood what the knocks on JJ actually are. He seems to have every quality you could want in a QB in spades, and in the rare instances when someone is specific more often than not they seem to be flat out wrong (e.g. JJ not having a strong arm--that's news to me, it always seemed like he has a flat out cannon). And though I haven't followed the other QBs as closely, I similarly don't get the love for these other QBs above him (the Maye love in particular baffles me). 

I can all but guarantee that at least one of the top three QBs will be a bust, and I'd probably bet money that at least two will...

If these guys really knew…

If these guys really knew how to evaluate players, they would be working for an NFL team and making a lot more money.

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I could get behind half of…

I could get behind half of that...

he's probably making more…

he's probably making more money at Kentucky thru NIL.

He was probably promised more money at Kentucky. Whether he actually gets what he was promised remains to be seen...

Hudson (if he would switched…

Hudson (if he would switched to OL here), Filiaga and St. Juste all had chances to start. It's crazy to say re Charbonnet, who is easily the best of those players, but that's what happens when you have Haskins and Corum already on the team (crazy to think we had Haskins, Corum and Charbonnet all on the same team in 2020)...

Yeah, this was definitely an…

Yeah, this was definitely an issue. Relatedly, Beilein experienced a lot of growing pains with recruiting/retention and what kind of team he wanted to have. Throughout most of his career, he was a development guy. He got mostly unheralded recruits, developed them for four years, and built his teams around upperclassmen (similar to teams like Wisconsin). 

Through skill (and likely luck as well), he struck absolute recruiting gold (with a mix of 3*, 4* and 5*s) over a couple year span in the early 2010s, and the results were two B1G regular season titles, a Final Four (NCAA Runner-Up) and an Elite Eight in three years. But the flipside of that was that this coach that rarely had guys leave early for the NBA suddenly lost four two-and-dones (Burke, Stauskas, McGary and GRIII) and a three-and-done (THJr) over a two-year span, and only two of those guys (McGary and GRIII) were even reasonably foreseeable to leave that early when they were recruited.

So the core of those Final Four and Elite Eight teams left early, which really puts you in a bind. You either need to find more guys that are going to flash immediately, or go back to your four-year development model and suffer a downturn for a couple years while you build back up. Obviously Beilein tried the former, but the results weren't so great. Over the next couple years his only really high-level recruits were Walton and Irvin, who never really reached their potential until the middle of their senior years, and Kam Chatman who didn't pan out. Couple that with an obviously talented, but often injured Caris LeVert, and the results were an NIT, an NCAA play-in game, and a team headed squarely for the bubble until it caught fire late and won the BTT. Issues were compounded by a probably naive approach to recruiting and roster management that under-anticipated attrition (e.g. losing so many guys early and not having replacements, or turning away 5* Langford when Battle committed out of the blue, only to end up with neither).

Beilein did get things better sorted out late in his career here, until the general direction of recruiting, and things like losing players to the draft that clearly weren't ready (Poole), got him to the point where he wanted out (and let's be clear, if he didn't leave in 2019, he absolutely would have left a few years later with the advent of NIL and the current transfer climate).

As an aside, I do have some sympathy for Calipari. It's definitely tough when you're on that one-and-done/two-and-done treadmill, since the only way to prevent a downturn is to continue to recruit similarly talented players (who in turn are equally likely to leave early, thus continuing the cycle). We saw it here in 2015, 2016 and into 2017, where it took us years to adequately replace the core of the 2013/2014 teams that left early. Plus I'm sure it's tough for a coach to voluntarily take "less talented" players when "more talented" players are willing to come, even if the less talented guys will likely stay longer and possibly provide a more stable platform for success (i.e. how Nova has more titles under Wright than Cal did at UK)...

I can't speak for others,…

I can't speak for others, but I don't recall much discussion of Orji being a check down machine. There are big questions regarding his accuracy and consistency, and so it's fair to point out that a bunch of short completions in the spring game don't really do much to answer those questions (and his accuracy on longer throws seemed to be much more of a mixed bag).

By contrast, I interpret a check down machine to be a QB that will consistently take check downs over longer throws. It's more a question of willingness (i.e. unwillingness to take the longer throw when the check down is there) or vision (always looking to the check down first) than it is about accuracy...

Yeah, I was wondering that…

Yeah, I was wondering that. And was his contract up? I thought he was only drafted a couple years ago (i.e. should have had another year or two on his rookie deal)...

Would have been interesting…

Would have been interesting to have seen Funchess on Beilein's teams...

My boss (an Illinois fan)…

My boss (an Illinois fan) mentioned this to me yesterday, which was the first I had heard of it. But Davis has been in school for four years, and still hasn't graduated. I honestly don't see any way he could transfer here and be eligible, unless he graduated first. 

Having been in school for four years, he'd have to be at least 80% of the way toward his degree in order to be eligible to play. But at most he could get 60 transfer credits to count toward his degree here, and needing 120 to graduate, he'd only be 50% (and that's if he was even able to get 60 to transfer, which I doubt coming from a school like FAU). So that's automatic ineligibility. I don't think the COVID year changed the academic progress requirements, so it'd be 80%. What I don't know is when that goes into effect, i.e. could a kid take classes all summer to get up to the threshold by the fall? That might make it feasible for a guy that's been in school three years (60%), but trying to go from 50% to 80% (36 credits) in a summer here just doesn't seem feasible...

I feel like people had bad…

I feel like people had bad things to say about Barrow, but I'd take this guy as a depth piece. I know DT depth is a bit of a concern, and I'd love to have more depth to burn against overmatched opponents so Graham/Grant are fresher for the big games...

That's unfortunate, I get it…

That's unfortunate, I get it's all hindsight but we could use it a lot more this year than we did in 2022 when we missed the tournament anyway...

Does anyone know how casino…

Does anyone know how casino parking will work? The casino garages (e.g. Greektown) are usually open for people with player's cards, but I'm not sure if there will be an exception given just how many people are expected to attend...

Have you been before…

Have you been before?

Unfortunately no, so I don't have anything to go off of...

I hear you. I guess I should…

I hear you. I guess I should have been clearer, I'm more asking for myself than anything. I had been leaning towards going, but after what some of those posters wrote a few weeks back, the more I've thought about it, I'm now leaning toward not bothering, though I'm hoping to elicit some thoughts either way...

I'm pretty sure he meant…

I'm pretty sure he meant RichRod ("from small town southern WV")...

Is it even worth going? I…

Is it even worth going? I registered and am thinking about it, but in an earlier post people mentioned that you're so packed in, and so far away from the stage, that there's not much reason to go...

That makes sense. I get…

That makes sense. I get differences between Hanukkah and Christmas (especially since Christmas is a fixed date), but given that originally Easter was the Sunday after Passover, and that it always seemed to line up that way (at least when I was paying attention), I assumed the Church used the same method to calculate the date for Easter that the Jewish calendar uses for Passover...

Interesting, I thought…

Interesting, I thought Passover and Easter typically tracked each other pretty closely. The one Seder I went to while I was a student was during Holy Week, and the next year I didn't end up going because it was on Good Friday (so not much point since I couldn't eat meat). Don't think I realized they could be this far apart...

Is this the guy that was in…

Is this the guy that was in the 100th percentile on 3s or something like that?

I think most people…

I think most people understand that rankings are meaningless at this point. The much bigger worry is that it took Sherrone months to land his first recruit, but hopefully the floodgates start to open now...

Idk. While I would like to…

Idk. While I would like to think that may be the case, my gut tells me the only motivation that would push the needle (at least for Harbaugh) would be familiarity, i.e. he knows the player, his work ethic, etc., and a known quantity in many ways has more value than an unknown quality. But deep down I probably do believe the comments that said that now he's with the Chargers, he only cares about the Chargers (and thus couldn't care less about setting a draft record; if he thinks another player is even marginally better for the Chargers, that's who he's going with). I mean the guy didn't even wear M gear to the ring ceremony on Saturday; it's an event celebrating the biggest achievement of his career and he's wearing a Chargers shirt...

Additionally, given how…

Additionally, given how passing oriented the NFL is I would think most teams would prefer players whose skillsets lean more to pass rush than run stuffing if they only have one, but what do I know?

Isn't this the first commit…

Isn't this the first commit since Harbaugh left? Hopefully this breaks the seal...

That may be true, but it…

That may be true, but it misses the point. The point wasn't that Orji is more likely to get injured in a QB-run system. His point was that it's incredibly risky to switch to a QB-run system (e.g. read option) when Orji is the only QB we have that can effectively run it. If Orji gets hurt, we either have to scrap that offense and all the time spent on it (when practice time is limited to begin with), or try to continue running it with non-running QBs. Remember Threet and Sheridan trying to run the read option in 2008? I'd prefer not to have a repeat of that...