Amazing. Iggy & The Stones would be a dream lineup for me, but I can’t imagine they had a lot of mutual fans in 1980.
I’ve see the ‘Stones 3 times - each show very different from the others and all of them fantastic.
I have only seen Iggy once - when the Stooges reformed in the early 2000s. There was a documentary crew filming, including a dolly/track set-up on the stage - I can remember him jumping on the Dolly rig (singing to the camera) and shaking it so hard it jumped the tracks. Will never forget the poor camera op holding onto his seat for dear life.
Iggy got super annoyed with security because they stopped kids from climbing on the stage & repeatedly shouting “this isn’t nazi germany!!”.
Needless to say it was one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. I had tickets to see the James Williamson lineup about a decade later, but bailed at the last minute, because I had an early meeting the next day. I have never felt like such a sellout in all my life. Watching video of that show brings sorrow and shame.
Iggy, Ozzy & Keith Richards will outlive us all. They’ll survive the zombie apocalypse, sleep through the end of days & take nuclear winter as a good opportunity to work on their tans. And even when the eternal darkness comes for the cockroaches, it won’t survive a night out Ozzy, Iggy & Keef.
Got curious and looked up Wink Martindale’s coaching history - turns out he was Jack Harbaugh’s def coordinator at Western Kentucky from 2000-2002 (2002 being the year they won the AA champ). Which is bonkers. What a family.
Thank you sir!!! Such a fun exercise, but also really hard!!! I thought about Devin Funchess but then the list would start to get reallllllly big (if I add him, do I have to add Nico Collins or Donovan Peoples- Jones & defensive equivalents like Josh Uche, David Ojabo, etc).
I think the truth is it’s these four guys at the top of the mountain:
Brandon Graham, Denard Robinson, Mo Hurst, Aidan Hutchinson
Next group:
David Molk, Jeremy Gallon, Jabrill Peppers, Devin Bush, Jourdan Lewis, Hassan Haskins, Blake Corum, Mike Martin, Ryan Glasgow, Jordan Kovacs, Jake Butt, Chase Winovich, Jake Moody & maybe JJ McCarthy‘s done enough already…?
And I really want to mention the names of those who gave absolutely everything to the program:
Martavious Odoms, Ben Mason, Vincent Smith, Devin Gardner, Mason Cole, Ryan Van Bergan, Ronnie Bell, Mike Sainristil
Lastly - I’m really happy we’re doing this before the season because I suspect it will be VERY hard to keep JJ McCarthy and Blake Corum from inclusion with that group of four at the top of the mountain.
I remember feeling like Lewan was a bit better at pass pro (both of them were elite in pass pro), but I’ve never looked at advanced stats. Also both elite in the run game, but Jake Long was one of the best mauling, donkey hating, “I will kill all of you and drink the blood of your children” run blockers I’ve ever seen. Least predictable run scheme ever drawn up and it mostly didn’t matter (except for when it did 😿). Jake Long could be the sweetest, kindest most gentle soul in real life and I’d still shake with terror if I walked by him even if he was holding a baby and walking a puppy.
I don’t think I can limit mine to just four - here would be my final group: Brandon Graham, Denard Robinson, David Molk, Jeremy Gallon, Jabrill Peppers, Mo Hurst, Devin Bush, Jourdan Lewis, Hassan Haskins, Aiden Hutchinson, Blake Corum, Jake Moody
It was painful to leave off:
Mike Martin, Ryan Glasgow, Jordan Kovacs, Jake Butt, Chase Winovich, Zoltan Mesko
So happy to get this kind of response - thank you!!! For me, you could call music an addiction, but why not just call it what it really is; oxygen.
Of three bands you mentioned that would be new for you - I echo Oregon Wolverine's comments about Nick Drake. Of the three - I recommend starting with him. I can't imagine anyone not loving his music. All three albums are surprisingly diverse, recorded over such a short span of time. 'Five Leaves Left' is my favorite - perfect balance of great songs with just enough added instrumentation to keep the focus on his voice and guitar playing. 'Bryter Layter' has a lot more orchestrations and may be a bit too sugary a listen at first. But once you get over that, it is amazing. 'Pink Moon' is just him and a guitar recorded during his darkest days (and sadly close to the end of his short life). 'Pink Moon' puts the spotlight on his lyrics.
Wire is the maybe the first true 'Post-Punk' band (if you value those kinds of labels). I actually think Pink Flag is the first post-punk record (came out in 1977). Staggering growth over these first three albums. 'Chairs Missing' and '154' are Desert Island Discs for me, but probably not for most.
Can is a German band from the 'Krautrock' era (formed in the late 60's). Brilliant, but could be a challenging listen depending on what kind of music you're into too. If you like electric era Miles Davis (and maybe John Cale era Velvet Underground) you will for sure love them. Also I think funk lovers would dig them too. They are also one of the most name checked bands of all time (Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, Beck, many more). Can would jam like crazy in the studio and then cut the recordings up to be finley tuned/sequenced songs and albums. Also have my favorite drummer in rock-type music.
Also early Iron and Wine (Our Endless Numbered Days). And the one solid album of Nick Drake outtakes, 'Time of No Reply' is also well worth it. Sadly a lot of posthumous cash-in Nick Drake releases.
Though it's funny i accidentally left it off, because now I'm thinking I might include The Metal Circus EP (came out before Zen Arcade, also an EP so maybe cheating?) over Flip Your Wig... but no reason not to own the whole run of albums. So so so good.
I never connected with him enough to say I 'love' his music, but do like his music and have great respect for his many talents (amazing guitar player/arranger/band leader). If I was going to include a run of his albums, I would go with the three albums you listed - all excellent. I would also say his first three records were formidable.
So I'm just going to pretend I missed the suggestion to submit for only a single band. And will instead place submissions for... many bands:
Prince - 1999/Purple Rain/Around the World in a Day
Wire - Pink Flag/Chairs Missing/154
David Bowie - Station to Station/Low/Heroes
David Bowie - Hunky Dory/Ziggy Stardust/Aladdin Sane
Al Green - Let's Stay Together/I'm Still in Love With You/Call Me
Wilco - Being There/Summerteeth/Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
The Velvet Underground - ...and Nico/White Light/Velvet Ubderground
Big Star - #1 Record/Radio City/Third
The Replacements - Let it Be/Tim/Pleased to Meet Me
Curtis Mayfield - Curtis/Roots/Superfly
Husker Du - Zen Arcade/New Day Rising/
Talking Heads - More Songs.../Fear of Music/Remain in Light
Bruce Springsteen - The Wild.../Born to Run/Darkness on the Edge of Town
Can - Tago Mago/Ege Bamyasi/Future Days
Elvis Costello - My Aim is True/This Year's Model/Armed Forces
The Smiths - The Smiths/Meat is Murder/The Queen is Dead
Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left/Bryter Layter/Pink Moon
Classic Rock Titans all had a few amazing runs of course: (Beatles, Stones, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder, Parliament/Funkadelic, Zeppelin, the Clash, the Cure, Pink Floyd, The Kinks, The Who, Neil Young, etc.)
The Henson stuff kind of bummed me out. It's unfortunate that his pro career(s) didn't work out, because he was a really great college player and he's not remembered for that. He's remembered as the hyped freshmen who Brady had to split playing time with, but in fact his junior year was one of the best ever for a QB at Michigan. Didn't Henson make Brian's 'All Carr Team' as QB? It's sad to see that even he thinks he should have just picked baseball or football and just stuck with whichever. I think anyone who was a fan of that '01 team still wonders how good it could have been had he stuck around for his senior year. Alas...
I did think it was a really good film. Tom Brady's story really is incredible - hearing him talk about all these experiences, how much doubt he faced is really humbling. If I only worked as hard at my job... Lots of teams/players played the 'no one believed in me' card and it can be kind of grating as a fan. Not in this case - it's continuously a joy to see how much better he gets and to hope that one day UM can lay claim to developing the undisputed greatest QB of all time.
It's late and I've been working all day, but I still saw this thread title and thought it was about Tom v. Henson. I need to stop working and go home now.
"2010 schedule is (as of this point) considerably more difficult than 2009's slate."
With respect to schedule, I believe the mod was only talking about the first four games of both years. 2010's first four were more difficult than 2009's first four and so this years offensive production should look that much better than last years.
Though the suite glass windows were in place last year, the suites themselves were unoccupied and the east/west structures were completely unfurnished. Yes, having the glass in place probably made some kind of difference, but since the structures were essentially hollow, the noise from the field could pass through easier and the sound waves that would bounce back towards the bowl would would do so chaotically.
WIth the structures being full this year, we can assume that more sound will bounce back much more focused (ie louder!) than last year.
The occupied structures should make difference in how loud we can expect things to be this year (not sure how much). It is also probably why the University didn't conduct it's measurements last year.
In case you were wondering, I work in post production doing audio/visual work used in Theme Park attractions. Working with engineers, we deal with this kind of thing all the time. When we do the final mixes for any show, we always go down and work in the structures themselves and listen to the mixes with the expected number of guests in them. It sounds completely different than it would in the studio.
A general note on LA - everything you've heard is true - it is a huge massive sprawl. If you are going to work in Westwood, don't live too far away or you will hate yourself. You may have heard something about the traffic...
Neighborhoods to consider living in - Westwood itself - West LA, Culver City, Century City, Santa Monica, Brentwood and Beverly Hills (and anything in between will also be fine). Howeva - all of those neighborhoods are pretty pricey unless you've got a roommate (or 3). I would not recommend living in Beverly Hills or Bentwood - they are beautiful places, but they don't have much going on in terms of things to do. Also expensive. I live on the East Side (Los Feliz/Silverlake/Echo Park).
Despite the stigma, living in the valley isn't totally miserable but the commute will suck. It will be much cheaper though. (Also - The valley is only okay if you live in Sherman Oaks or Studio City - Burbank and Toluca Lake are okay, but probs a bit far for you - don't live anywhere else in the valley if you can help it.)
UCLA/Westwood is a beautiful part of town. Apt.'s will be more expensive and parking will suck big time, but Westwood is one of the few neighborhoods in LA where you can walk around.
Restaurants/Stuff to do (a lot of the bars have good food too):
-Go to Diddy Riese (http://www.diddyriese.com/) for a homemade ice cream sandwich. It's in Westwood so you can walk there. The line will be huge, but there are lots of cute college girls/boys (depending on which way you swing) so it will be worth it.
- I find the Apple Pan to be a tad overrated (only because it's way too crowded for what you get), but the burgers and pie are pretty decent.
-There is a very curious trend of 'upscale' (they grind their own blend from 'choice' cuts) burger joints' popping up all over town. They are all good, but expensive. Umami Burger and Stout are my rec's for that.
-The Bread Bar in Bev Hills has awesome breakfast and has fantastic coffee.
-Intelligentsia will make you gag on hipsters, but their espresso is right on. I am a sucker for good coffee.
-Good Microwbrew and Grill has over 200 kinds of beer and good(ha!) food.
-Alcove on Vermont is another good spot, mostly outdoor seating. You order/pay at the counter and they bring your food out.
-Largo is a great place to see music - The owner only picks shows he approves of. They have comedy too. I highly recommend seeing Jon Brion do one of his regular Friday night shows. He knows every pop/rock song ever written. I'm not kidding - he never goes on stage with a set list and just takes requests/makes shit up as he goes. Also (and this might be the best part) he plays every instrument himself - the engineer will loop his drum/piano parts through the PA while he plays guitar/sings alongside them.
-The Troubadour is the best venue for touring bands.
-Amoeba is the largest independent record store in the world (it's like going to Costco, but only has Records/CD's/Music/Movie memorabilia.
-Next door to Amoeba is the Arclight Cinemas - The best place to see a movie. Every seat is reserved, so you can show up 10 minutes before the movie without having to worry about sitting in the front row. The sound/picture quality is always perfect, it is exceptionally clean and the staff are super friendly. They also have a bar and 21+ movies. Lots of premier's here too.
-Also - during the summer, the Hollywood Forever Cemetery screens movies outdoors. Bring a picnic, a camping chair, some beer and enjoy.
-You've probably heard of the Getty - it is awesome, but I strongly recommend the Huntington. That place will blow your mind.
-Dodgers games are almost never sold out and you can usually buy decent cheap seats at the gate. Don't sit in the family section - they don't sell beer.
- I am not a fan of the Sunset Strip - It's total chaos (in a bad way) on a weekend night. All the drinks are more than 10 bucks (even beer), the lines to get in are insane and you'll probably have to pay 20 bucks for parking.
Bars:
-You should be able to find all of these just by doing a google search with the name and 'los angeles'. I live on the east side (Los Feliz), so that's how this list will be skewed. Also there are literally hundreds of great bars in LA. Go nuts.
-3rd Stop is awesome. It's near Beverly Hills and West Hollywood. It has a very decent number of beers (i think 40+ on tap) and the food is also pretty good. Not a dive bar, though I wouldn't call it 'up-scale' either. They also have a number of HD TV's at the bar and are always playing sports of some kind.
-St. Nicks is right down the road from 3rd Stop. Also a pub, a lot bigger and very casual.
-Barney's Beanery - is the place to go if you are looking to get rowdy. They have a few locations, but you'll stick to the ones in West Hollywood or Santa Monica. Pool Tables, Foosball and a ton of beer. You will get wasted here. You will not be able to help it. This place gets super crowded Thursday-Saturday, so keep that in mind.
-Sonny McLeans is an Irish Bar in Santa Monica and an unfortunate magnet for Red Sox/Boston sports fans. You'll have a good time though.
-Formosa Cafe and Jones are both on Santa Monica near Highland (Basically Hollywood) - good stuff at both places. Jones is the place if you want to get a little 'dressier'. Formosa is an old Hollywood hang-out.
- The Cat and Fiddle in Hollywood is an English Style Pub. English food, English stouts/porters/ales and kind of a magnet for English folks in town. I love it - it's set back from the street with a great outdoor patio and fountain, so it doesn't really feel like you're in the city. They have darts and a good juke box.
- 1739 Public House in Los Feliz has over 60 beers on tap and is probably my favorite bar in LA (but i also live around the corner so...)
- The Dresden is also in Los Feliz and if you are a fan of 'Swingers' you need to go. Very old school kind of bar - all the wait staff are in their 50s (and up) and of course Marty and Elaine are the only two who 'aren't' in on the joke. Get some kind of out dated cocktail, like an 'old fashioned'...
-Other good east side bars are the 4100, Big Foot Lounge, The Rustic Inn, The Drawing Room
-The Standard Hotel has two spots (Sunset Strip in West Hollywood and Downtown) - it's kind of a trendy place, but it's a roof bar which is always a good thing in LA.
-7 Grand is also downtown - this will be a bit far for you, but it's a whisky bar. A lot of whisky. Pool tables, cigars, etc. It's awesome - very classy gentlemen's bar.
This will get you started.
Welcome and Cheers!
liquidroad - also great suggestions! Totally dropped the ball on Cha Cha's and The Red Lion - agreed that if you do one, you'll probably be at the other that same night. The top floor of the Red Lion is also sort of outside (mostly covered roof). And the Roost has free popcorn, self serve from a carnival style popper. I second all the other bars you mentioned as well.
-It's funny that you mention Hollywood Billiard - it is the only place I've gone to see Michigan games outside of the house (I get too intense about the games to watch them with strangers). The State game last year was amazing for the final two drives of regulation. I think we outnumbered Sparty fans by 10-1. Then overtime happened.... and the place was empty.
-On that note - anyone know if there are any 'Michigan' Bars in LA?
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Amazing. Iggy & The Stones would be a dream lineup for me, but I can’t imagine they had a lot of mutual fans in 1980.
I’ve see the ‘Stones 3 times - each show very different from the others and all of them fantastic.
I have only seen Iggy once - when the Stooges reformed in the early 2000s. There was a documentary crew filming, including a dolly/track set-up on the stage - I can remember him jumping on the Dolly rig (singing to the camera) and shaking it so hard it jumped the tracks. Will never forget the poor camera op holding onto his seat for dear life.
Iggy got super annoyed with security because they stopped kids from climbing on the stage & repeatedly shouting “this isn’t nazi germany!!”.
Needless to say it was one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. I had tickets to see the James Williamson lineup about a decade later, but bailed at the last minute, because I had an early meeting the next day. I have never felt like such a sellout in all my life. Watching video of that show brings sorrow and shame.
Iggy, Ozzy & Keith Richards will outlive us all. They’ll survive the zombie apocalypse, sleep through the end of days & take nuclear winter as a good opportunity to work on their tans. And even when the eternal darkness comes for the cockroaches, it won’t survive a night out Ozzy, Iggy & Keef.
Got curious and looked up Wink Martindale’s coaching history - turns out he was Jack Harbaugh’s def coordinator at Western Kentucky from 2000-2002 (2002 being the year they won the AA champ). Which is bonkers. What a family.
Thank you sir!!! Such a fun exercise, but also really hard!!! I thought about Devin Funchess but then the list would start to get reallllllly big (if I add him, do I have to add Nico Collins or Donovan Peoples- Jones & defensive equivalents like Josh Uche, David Ojabo, etc).
I think the truth is it’s these four guys at the top of the mountain:
Brandon Graham, Denard Robinson, Mo Hurst, Aidan Hutchinson
Next group:
David Molk, Jeremy Gallon, Jabrill Peppers, Devin Bush, Jourdan Lewis, Hassan Haskins, Blake Corum, Mike Martin, Ryan Glasgow, Jordan Kovacs, Jake Butt, Chase Winovich, Jake Moody & maybe JJ McCarthy‘s done enough already…?
And I really want to mention the names of those who gave absolutely everything to the program:
Martavious Odoms, Ben Mason, Vincent Smith, Devin Gardner, Mason Cole, Ryan Van Bergan, Ronnie Bell, Mike Sainristil
Lastly - I’m really happy we’re doing this before the season because I suspect it will be VERY hard to keep JJ McCarthy and Blake Corum from inclusion with that group of four at the top of the mountain.
I’M SO EXCITED FOR THE SEASON.
I remember feeling like Lewan was a bit better at pass pro (both of them were elite in pass pro), but I’ve never looked at advanced stats. Also both elite in the run game, but Jake Long was one of the best mauling, donkey hating, “I will kill all of you and drink the blood of your children” run blockers I’ve ever seen. Least predictable run scheme ever drawn up and it mostly didn’t matter (except for when it did 😿). Jake Long could be the sweetest, kindest most gentle soul in real life and I’d still shake with terror if I walked by him even if he was holding a baby and walking a puppy.
I don’t think I can limit mine to just four - here would be my final group: Brandon Graham, Denard Robinson, David Molk, Jeremy Gallon, Jabrill Peppers, Mo Hurst, Devin Bush, Jourdan Lewis, Hassan Haskins, Aiden Hutchinson, Blake Corum, Jake Moody
It was painful to leave off:
Mike Martin, Ryan Glasgow, Jordan Kovacs, Jake Butt, Chase Winovich, Zoltan Mesko
So many great submissions - didn't see a few runs which I think are also worthy:
I fear I may be stuck posting in this forum for the rest of my life. If I'm being honest, I won't be that unhappy if that becomes my fate.
But no arguments from me about anything he released after the 80's. I also love B.i.t.USA.
The Wild... is my favorite Springsteen record actually.
So happy to get this kind of response - thank you!!! For me, you could call music an addiction, but why not just call it what it really is; oxygen.
Of three bands you mentioned that would be new for you - I echo Oregon Wolverine's comments about Nick Drake. Of the three - I recommend starting with him. I can't imagine anyone not loving his music. All three albums are surprisingly diverse, recorded over such a short span of time. 'Five Leaves Left' is my favorite - perfect balance of great songs with just enough added instrumentation to keep the focus on his voice and guitar playing. 'Bryter Layter' has a lot more orchestrations and may be a bit too sugary a listen at first. But once you get over that, it is amazing. 'Pink Moon' is just him and a guitar recorded during his darkest days (and sadly close to the end of his short life). 'Pink Moon' puts the spotlight on his lyrics.
Wire is the maybe the first true 'Post-Punk' band (if you value those kinds of labels). I actually think Pink Flag is the first post-punk record (came out in 1977). Staggering growth over these first three albums. 'Chairs Missing' and '154' are Desert Island Discs for me, but probably not for most.
Can is a German band from the 'Krautrock' era (formed in the late 60's). Brilliant, but could be a challenging listen depending on what kind of music you're into too. If you like electric era Miles Davis (and maybe John Cale era Velvet Underground) you will for sure love them. Also I think funk lovers would dig them too. They are also one of the most name checked bands of all time (Radiohead, LCD Soundsystem, Beck, many more). Can would jam like crazy in the studio and then cut the recordings up to be finley tuned/sequenced songs and albums. Also have my favorite drummer in rock-type music.
Also early Iron and Wine (Our Endless Numbered Days). And the one solid album of Nick Drake outtakes, 'Time of No Reply' is also well worth it. Sadly a lot of posthumous cash-in Nick Drake releases.
Also could make an argument for a run of Curtis era Impressions Albums:
Though it's funny i accidentally left it off, because now I'm thinking I might include The Metal Circus EP (came out before Zen Arcade, also an EP so maybe cheating?) over Flip Your Wig... but no reason not to own the whole run of albums. So so so good.
I never connected with him enough to say I 'love' his music, but do like his music and have great respect for his many talents (amazing guitar player/arranger/band leader). If I was going to include a run of his albums, I would go with the three albums you listed - all excellent. I would also say his first three records were formidable.
It's really good to see this stuff. Thank you.
The Henson stuff kind of bummed me out. It's unfortunate that his pro career(s) didn't work out, because he was a really great college player and he's not remembered for that. He's remembered as the hyped freshmen who Brady had to split playing time with, but in fact his junior year was one of the best ever for a QB at Michigan. Didn't Henson make Brian's 'All Carr Team' as QB? It's sad to see that even he thinks he should have just picked baseball or football and just stuck with whichever. I think anyone who was a fan of that '01 team still wonders how good it could have been had he stuck around for his senior year. Alas...
I did think it was a really good film. Tom Brady's story really is incredible - hearing him talk about all these experiences, how much doubt he faced is really humbling. If I only worked as hard at my job... Lots of teams/players played the 'no one believed in me' card and it can be kind of grating as a fan. Not in this case - it's continuously a joy to see how much better he gets and to hope that one day UM can lay claim to developing the undisputed greatest QB of all time.
It's late and I've been working all day, but I still saw this thread title and thought it was about Tom v. Henson. I need to stop working and go home now.
"2010 schedule is (as of this point) considerably more difficult than 2009's slate."
With respect to schedule, I believe the mod was only talking about the first four games of both years. 2010's first four were more difficult than 2009's first four and so this years offensive production should look that much better than last years.
Though the suite glass windows were in place last year, the suites themselves were unoccupied and the east/west structures were completely unfurnished. Yes, having the glass in place probably made some kind of difference, but since the structures were essentially hollow, the noise from the field could pass through easier and the sound waves that would bounce back towards the bowl would would do so chaotically.
WIth the structures being full this year, we can assume that more sound will bounce back much more focused (ie louder!) than last year.
The occupied structures should make difference in how loud we can expect things to be this year (not sure how much). It is also probably why the University didn't conduct it's measurements last year.
In case you were wondering, I work in post production doing audio/visual work used in Theme Park attractions. Working with engineers, we deal with this kind of thing all the time. When we do the final mixes for any show, we always go down and work in the structures themselves and listen to the mixes with the expected number of guests in them. It sounds completely different than it would in the studio.
Thanks!
Lucas