It was a freak accident that the kid cracked his skull. The condition of the kid was the ONLY reason Winston got jail time. Remember, this was a misdameanor.
Oh wow, burn a couch. That 34-17 slaughter must be really embarrassing for you. How does it feel to know that Dantonio has just as many B10 wins at the big house as RR? Hurts doesn't it? Such a great hire (for MSU)!
Did you just drop the "everyone does it line"? Seriously? This coming from the program that is currently awaiting it's punishment for MAJOR violations with the NCAA and claim that "everybody does it"? ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
Yeah, MSU's starting running back, starting safety, 3rd string running back and starting DT were really useless to the depth chart. But man Fred Smith, the man with no position buried deep with the FB's as the 4th stringer who Dantonio kept on the team really gives us great minutes!!!!!!
Who exactly does he have to explain anything to? He's not breaking any laws by letting his players play. He's perfectly in his rights to reinstate Rucker. You act like he's obligated to do what you want him to do. Arrogance at it's best (or worst).
Ignorance. When Dantonio made the comment about zero tolerance he was referring to Winston and Jenerette. A few months later when the other players were finishing their hearings Dantonio was quoted as saying each player will be evaluated on a case by case level. No where did he ever say that his policy was to have zero tolerance on all second offenders regardless of the situation. No coach in America would act under those terms. Not even your beloved RR and his sparkling record regarding player arrests...
Win at all costs program? 8 kids are no longer on the team following Rather Hall. If MSU and Dantonio were really a win at all cost program they would all still be here.
Rucker wasn't speeding down Grand River blasted out of his mind. He blew a .095 and was moving his car from a 7-11 to the parking garage DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
Also, Rucker didn't hit anyone at Rather Hall. Video shows him only being in the room where the "fight" took place for all of 6.5 seconds. Yeah, real thug....
So one guy gets a second chance who was in jail and it's the norm? What about the half a dozen other players that are off the MSU team from the Rather Hall incident? Oh, you probably don't want to acknowledge them because it doesn't support your ignorance.
MSU's O-line got dominated? Their leading rusher averaged 7.3ypc. They didn't give up any sacks until the final drive of the game when Cousins was holding on to the ball too long to try and force plays instead of throwing it away. They only had two other TFL on their true freshman running back who looked like he was walking on ice out there (didn't have wet weather cleats on). Cousins also had time to disect NW for 29-43 passing for 329 yards and 3 TD's. How is that MSU's O-line getting dominated?
Dantonio said it to the press, Bates the punter said it to the press. The CB on that play admitted that his job was to check the flier for 10 yards and then book it to the sideline to avoid being hit with the ball in his post game interview. It was a great play that started in the film room that week.
You want to scold me for making stuff up regarding Rather Hall? ROFL. Then scold everyone on this board.
Fact: There were no ski masks
Fact: They didn't plan it at a football function. Winston asked players AFTER the banquet to come with him.
Fact: Rucker didn't hit anyone. From the Freep:
"Last February, Rucker testified in court that he attempted to kick an Iota Phi Theta fraternity member and missed. Rucker said he did so because the frat member was wrestling on the ground with a player.
At the time, Rucker's attorney, Leon Weiss, said video evidence from the scene showed "out of the three minutes and change that this episode took to complete, he was in the room, the lounge where the scuffling and fighting took place, about 6.5 seconds. We've studied it at length. He was kind of on the periphery, but he takes responsibility for making the decision to go there that night.""
Fact: Fred Smith remains on the team and is not a starter. Everyone who actually hit someone that night is off the team. Everyone that lied about that night is off the team. Everyone that remains was simply there.
But don't let facts get in the way of you bashing Dantonio/MSU. Let's not forget that RR/UM isn't exactly the model for discipline either....
You act like Rucker has played a game already. He's still in jail and Dantonio hasn't said one way or another what is going to happen. Apparently innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Dantonio around here....
So the whole point of the justice system (you know, the rehabilitation. Not everyone gets life behind bars) isn't part of the "process" in your eyes? You're going to have to explain that viewpoint in a little more detail because it sounds bat shit crazy to me.
I think it's funny that you guys refer to Rather Hall as a brawl. It was one guy throwing punches. Conspiracy to commit assault does not mean you hit people. It basically means he was in the group of people that went to Rather Hall to back up his friend incase things got more out of hand then they already were. Obviously bad judgement on Rucker's part, but don't make him out to be some thug when he obviously isn't. The only thug I saw was WInston and he is off the team along with 5 others involved in that mess. The ones that remain didn't lie or throw any punches.
Isn't jail time part of the process? He was serving time. The process by definition would include everything from the initial arrest to him being let out of jail. How exactly was Dantonio lying?
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You do realize that the Scout site has an extra player listed for you right? That is obviously raising your ranking...
Not to mention for MSU they have Vanlentine as a 3*. That guy is averaging one assist shy of a triple double for the best team in the state BY FAR.
How's Stonum doing these days?
What they did? You mean play B1G football?
1st half over and MSU has ZERO personal fouls and no flags what so ever. How are they dirty again?
Are you kidding me? Cousins is on pace to beat his last year passing total by over 100 yards. Do you always talk out of your ass?
Aren't "big brothers" supposed to actually win when they play their "little brother"?
So when is Fitz going to be kicked off the team for his second offense of driving with a suspended license?
Explain to me how he is a d-bag.
More ignorance, not everyone who was arrested actually hit someone. Winston, Jenerette and Smith were the only ones to actually hit people.
It was a freak accident that the kid cracked his skull. The condition of the kid was the ONLY reason Winston got jail time. Remember, this was a misdameanor.
He was suspended for one game and then sat out another game because he was serving his jail time....
One player does not make a school "thug U". Oh and your beloved school has more DUI arrests then MSU over the last 4 years......................
He hit the kid once. You act like he was curb stomping him...
He was not in jail for two weeks...
It was reckless driving and Stonum avoided pissing in a cup so he could go get wasted with all his thug buddies.
scUM resorting to digs about education because their athletic department is a joke. How cute...
Oh wow, burn a couch. That 34-17 slaughter must be really embarrassing for you. How does it feel to know that Dantonio has just as many B10 wins at the big house as RR? Hurts doesn't it? Such a great hire (for MSU)!
Wow really? Did you learn that at UofM - Flint or Western?
You know, it's not really hard to kick someone off the team when they are convicted drug dealers...
And Rucker sat two games for it. How many did Stonum sit for his probation violation again?
Really? You think we care if you "neg" us? You really think we are here to earn points?
The kid hit his head on a table after Winston hit him once. But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.
Please show me where I said that and stop putting words in my mouth.
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Grammar natzi's rule! It's the internet buddy, not the nation spelling bee...
Did you just drop the "everyone does it line"? Seriously? This coming from the program that is currently awaiting it's punishment for MAJOR violations with the NCAA and claim that "everybody does it"? ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
That's a really long headline...
Why would zero tolerance mean immediate dismissal? Zero tolerance means exactly that, a player will be punished for his actions (which Rucker was...).
And yet you are the ones with 5 different threads about MSU on your front page....
Yeah, MSU's starting running back, starting safety, 3rd string running back and starting DT were really useless to the depth chart. But man Fred Smith, the man with no position buried deep with the FB's as the 4th stringer who Dantonio kept on the team really gives us great minutes!!!!!!
Who exactly does he have to explain anything to? He's not breaking any laws by letting his players play. He's perfectly in his rights to reinstate Rucker. You act like he's obligated to do what you want him to do. Arrogance at it's best (or worst).
Rucker didn't hit anyone. His "crime" was NOT violant. He made a poor decision, that's all.
More scUM ignorance...
Can you provide a quote from Dantonio that supports this claim with a cite please? TIA!
Why? Rucker sat out two games for a DUI and probation violation. That's pretty standard and Stonum didn't miss a quarter for his violation...
Ignorance. When Dantonio made the comment about zero tolerance he was referring to Winston and Jenerette. A few months later when the other players were finishing their hearings Dantonio was quoted as saying each player will be evaluated on a case by case level. No where did he ever say that his policy was to have zero tolerance on all second offenders regardless of the situation. No coach in America would act under those terms. Not even your beloved RR and his sparkling record regarding player arrests...
That last part was sarcasm btw...
Stonum and probation violation are used in the same sentence all the time. When did he sit on the pine?
Win at all costs program? 8 kids are no longer on the team following Rather Hall. If MSU and Dantonio were really a win at all cost program they would all still be here.
Yeah because it's hilarious to wish death on people just because they play for a rival team. Such class.
Rucker wasn't speeding down Grand River blasted out of his mind. He blew a .095 and was moving his car from a 7-11 to the parking garage DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
Also, Rucker didn't hit anyone at Rather Hall. Video shows him only being in the room where the "fight" took place for all of 6.5 seconds. Yeah, real thug....
Ignorance is bliss.
Do I need to run down UM's list of players commiting crimes? Do I really need to go there?
So one guy gets a second chance who was in jail and it's the norm? What about the half a dozen other players that are off the MSU team from the Rather Hall incident? Oh, you probably don't want to acknowledge them because it doesn't support your ignorance.
P.S. - Stonum, enough said.
MSU's O-line got dominated? Their leading rusher averaged 7.3ypc. They didn't give up any sacks until the final drive of the game when Cousins was holding on to the ball too long to try and force plays instead of throwing it away. They only had two other TFL on their true freshman running back who looked like he was walking on ice out there (didn't have wet weather cleats on). Cousins also had time to disect NW for 29-43 passing for 329 yards and 3 TD's. How is that MSU's O-line getting dominated?
Dantonio said it to the press, Bates the punter said it to the press. The CB on that play admitted that his job was to check the flier for 10 yards and then book it to the sideline to avoid being hit with the ball in his post game interview. It was a great play that started in the film room that week.
Dantonio can decide at what point in the process he wants to take action. He's a grown man. That comment is absurd.
Also, it's pretty weird that you assume that Dantonio meant legal process.
You want to scold me for making stuff up regarding Rather Hall? ROFL. Then scold everyone on this board.
Fact: There were no ski masks
Fact: They didn't plan it at a football function. Winston asked players AFTER the banquet to come with him.
Fact: Rucker didn't hit anyone. From the Freep:
"Last February, Rucker testified in court that he attempted to kick an Iota Phi Theta fraternity member and missed. Rucker said he did so because the frat member was wrestling on the ground with a player.
At the time, Rucker's attorney, Leon Weiss, said video evidence from the scene showed "out of the three minutes and change that this episode took to complete, he was in the room, the lounge where the scuffling and fighting took place, about 6.5 seconds. We've studied it at length. He was kind of on the periphery, but he takes responsibility for making the decision to go there that night.""
Fact: Fred Smith remains on the team and is not a starter. Everyone who actually hit someone that night is off the team. Everyone that lied about that night is off the team. Everyone that remains was simply there.
But don't let facts get in the way of you bashing Dantonio/MSU. Let's not forget that RR/UM isn't exactly the model for discipline either....
You act like Rucker has played a game already. He's still in jail and Dantonio hasn't said one way or another what is going to happen. Apparently innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to Dantonio around here....
So the whole point of the justice system (you know, the rehabilitation. Not everyone gets life behind bars) isn't part of the "process" in your eyes? You're going to have to explain that viewpoint in a little more detail because it sounds bat shit crazy to me.
I think it's funny that you guys refer to Rather Hall as a brawl. It was one guy throwing punches. Conspiracy to commit assault does not mean you hit people. It basically means he was in the group of people that went to Rather Hall to back up his friend incase things got more out of hand then they already were. Obviously bad judgement on Rucker's part, but don't make him out to be some thug when he obviously isn't. The only thug I saw was WInston and he is off the team along with 5 others involved in that mess. The ones that remain didn't lie or throw any punches.
Isn't jail time part of the process? He was serving time. The process by definition would include everything from the initial arrest to him being let out of jail. How exactly was Dantonio lying?