http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2010/10/michigan_states_mark_dan...
Should be interesting to see where this goes.
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2010/10/michigan_states_mark_dan...
Should be interesting to see where this goes.
I love that "completion of the legal process" in E. Lansing means when you get out of the clink. I would think the proper timing would be when the jail door shuts on a sentence.
who defines the process. If it's the NFL, then nobody will be able to explain how to complete the process.
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As long as he doesn't hurt his ankle like Winston, he should have a spot waiting for him on the team when the orange jumper comes off.
Wow, I didn't realize that Stonum nearly killed a fellow student athlete and spent time in prison for that violent crime. (enough said)
No, just tell us about the ones where a UM player committed a violent felony against a fellow student, went to jail for that violent crime, and was welcomed back on the team as soon as he was released from prison.
You can list those in a reply to this post if you like. I'll await the reply eagerly....
EDIT: I guess it is a vanishingly short list, huh?
Let's see for UM, we have:
Stonum, Grady, Cissoko, feagin, and....... ????
Compared to:
Winston (twice)
Jenrette (twice)
Chris L Rucker (twice)
Mark Dell
BJ Cunningham
Ashton Legett
Oren WIlson
Myles White
Mitchell White (twice)
Fred Smith
Brendan Trawick
Ishmyl Johnson
Jamir Williams
Sirdarean Adams
TJ Williams
Jeremy Ware
Dion Simms...
Am I missing anyone?
I think you're forgetting Jenrette's other crimes. If you recall, he kicked it like Demar Dorsey with some B&E's in Florida. Then he became a Spartan and repeated his same crimes, resulting in a Dorsey-esque diversion program in Florida. Or, as Dantonio said at the time, "He is in Florida attending to personal matters". Was any of this mentioned with the multi-page investigative Dorsey article? Nope.
Only upon Jenrette's return to the Mean Machine did he get into all the other trouble.
Jenrette was arrested twice in Florida, and once in MI, including one arrest before he even stepped on MSU's campus. Very impressive
Jenrette was arrested twice in Florida, and once in MI, including one arrest before he even stepped on MSU's campus. Very impressive
...the media won't jump on him for this. Makes no sense, but it's true.
Don't tell me the Freep has turned their heads on this one have they?
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Where is the media outrage? The sense of shock? The articles about the bunch of thugs that Dantonio is bringing in to MSU? If Michigan's players had the same number of legal incidents as MSU's players have had these past few years, the Freep would have to include a whole new pullout section just to hold all of the articles.
Everyone tries to beat you down and throw you under the bus. The underdogs are always given the benefit of the doubt, no matter how unfathomable their actions. Given all of the criminal activity in which MSU athletes have been involved in the last couple of years, you would think this would get more national attention. But, alas, everyone wants to see them topple Michigan, no matter the consequences
No outrage. No sense of shock. that is because sparty is simply living up to expectations. It's all about expectations. the media, fans, everyone EXPECTS that kind of behavior in East Lansing so it isn't news. There is nothing in this story that is going to have any shock value so anything in the media about it would simply die on a vine.
I suggest we let it. Otherwise we are the ones that look like the whiney little brother with the inferiority complex continually crying "It's not fair..."
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I'm not surprised Dantonio didn't speak about it. Why get into that whole can of worms? Especially when he knows he'll welcome him back eventually to some local (ie. Drew Sharp) criticism.
I just don't understand why RIttenberg @ ESPN says that he deserves to see the playing field again this year. He broke his probation. Plus, bowl games are rewards for kids. Does he really deserve that reward? Me thinks he won't learn his lesson by missing the Purdue and Minnesota games. He'll definitely be back if they're 11-0 going to Happy Valley.
The kid is suspended from the team and was within hours of being arrested. He's missed time in significant games. Are there additional details I've missed as to why this is so egregious of Dantonio?
I agree Dantonio has been shady in terms of discipline the past few years, but I'm missing how this is an example of that shadiness. Letting the legal process play out before assessing additional punishment seems fair.
not much more to play out. He was on probation already for his involvement in the Rather Hall beat down. He got charged with DUI a few weeks ago and pled out to a lesser charge. He is doing jail time for the probation violation. Al that is left to play out is for Rucker to tell Dantonio he is really sorry and won't get into any more trouble.
Didn't realize he was part of the Potluck Massacre. Book 'em Danno... wow. that actually fits.
Once a criminal is behind bars, the "legal process" has pretty much played out.
The guy has had two serious run-ins with the law in a span of 10 months. What else does Dantonio need to glean from the situation?
because Rucker was already on probation. I don't know all of the details, but it's likely that drinking or simply getting arrested could have been a violation of Rucker's probation and that his recent jail stay is a sanction for violating probation, not for drunk driving. I do remember reading that the probation department recommended jail time for him as a sanction for violating probation. I think it's likely he was in jail pursuant to this recommendation, which the court can execute pretty quickly, because the legal process for probation violations is more informal and tends to be rather brief.
I expect that the legal process for the DUI offense is still pending and will not be completed for quite a while yet. I'd be very surprised if he had already been convicted on the DUI charge or if he'd even had the opportunity to make a plea agreement yet.
Consequently, "the completion of the legal process" could refer to the process arising from his violation of probation conditions, or it could be the process arising from his DUI arrest. I don't know which one Dantonio is referring to, and it's possible he's being deliberately vague about which one because he wants to keep his options open.
At least I was half-right about the probation.
Can I assert my general apathy about all things MSU as a defense to my ignorance?
Amazing how quickly justice is reached for MSU athletes:
East Lansing -- Korie Lucious, a junior guard on Michigan State's basketball team, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor reckless driving on Thursday in 54-B District Court.
Lucious was arrested early Monday morning on suspicion of drunken driving in East Lansing. He will be sentenced at 8:15 a.m. on Dec. 20. The lesser charge of reckless driving will stand as long as Lucious stays out of trouble prior to sentencing.
Not sure how many jurisdictions routinely allow "alledged" drunken drivers to plead to a traffic ticket within a couple weeks of an arrest.
Also, presumably, he doesn't have the time, nor the desire, to visit Rucker in jail. Maybe he wants to personally discuss his punishment with Rucker before he announces it to the public?
Why don't we wait until after he reinstates him on Thursday to condemn the prick?
people are upset bc nobody knew where Rucker was, Dantonio claimed he was letting the 'process complete' before commenting. some would argue the truth ended up being the process was over, Rucker was already in jail, and Dantonio was throwing a red herring.
with all said, the questionable item is that Dantonio said everyone involved in the Rather Hall incident was on a short leash, no errors, reportedly no second chances. Rucker violated probation by drinking and violated the law by driving intoxicated. people on the board presume he will be returning to the field after the Iowa game. this would appear to be 'hypocritical' of Dantonio bc of his claim of no chances and of the press as nobody has taken him to task for really any of the recent legal items that popped up. all while RR was blasted for giving a kid a chance who had made mistakes in the past and wanted to be out of state to continue his efforts of fixing his life
I don't recall RR getting blasted for Stonum's and Grady's mishaps, those incidents seem more in line with Rucker's situation.
I'm pretty sure Stonum and Grady hadn't previously participated in a premeditated assault against a bunch of innocent students.
I'm pretty sure the hadn't either. Every time there is a negative situation in EL, a thread is started about the hypocrisy of the MSM. Okay, I get it, any negative press for M is unwarranted and we need to cry like little kids about the unfairness of it all. Anytime anything negative happens in EL, Dantonio needs to be portrayed as the devil by the MSM or the sky is going to fall. It gets old.
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I mean to mention this again in Dear Diary this week, but see my comment on the jail thread: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/rucker-was-jail-edit
That was just the examples I could pull from the first two pages of a Google search of college football player DUIs, not anything comprehensive (EDSBS please share your database!) but a clear trend emerged: a kid whose first offense was the DUI generally got a 1-game suspension (at Minnesota it was 2, at Ohio State it's zero, at BYU you're off the team). Kids who had previous offenses about on par with a DUI were kicked off the team, or suspended so hard they decided to transfer.
Rucker should fall into the second category, unless you take the stance that his participation in the Rather Hall Brawl (i.e. standing on the sidelines for 90 percent of it, and spending 6 seconds kicking someone) is not worth mention.
The criticism is coming because Dantonio again seems to be ignoring that the brawl ever occurred, or at least that it is done with and all participants still on the team are absolved of it. Michigan fans tend to take the view that Dantonio's non-punishment of Winston in his first incident was a contributing factor in Brawl, and that his light reaction to the Brawl is evidence that Dantonio is a poor disciplinarian compared to other NCAA coaches (and that this is a reflection on Michigan State's program).
This incident, more specifically, Dantonio's response to this incident, is more evidence of Dantonio's light reaction to the brawl.
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This is a reasonable, well thought out post on the subject.
I do think that the details of the Rucker Hall incident should determine the action Dantonio takes. If he was more of a bystander, less of an assaulter, three games missed might be reasonable punishment. Although, it would make him look soft on his stance that everyone involved would not receive a third chance.
My only problem with all this foaming at the mouth chatter about how Dantonio shows no discipline, etc. is that everyone is simply assuming that Dantonio isn't going to do anything. This is sort of a pet peeve of mine, where there is always this huge rush to judgment in society before all the facts are known, a situation at least partially driven by the instantaneous nature of the internet and the 24 hour news cycle. Why can't we wait and see what happens? Won't everyone feel foolish if Rucker gets out of jail on Thursday and is told by Dantonio, "you're no longer a member of the team"?
You hit the nail on the head with your third paragraph. There are also commenters here taking "rush to judgment" to another level by complaining about the media coverage of Dantonio's decision when he hasn't even announced a decision yet.
This story may eventually deserve an outraged response, but it's not there yet.
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Before the probation officer suggested 21 days in jail (they settled on 10), Dantonio announced Rucker would miss one week, maybe more, and that Rucker would be in the press box with him during the game.
Since then this has been modified to "indefinitely." Of all the guys I looked up who got DUIs and were suspended one or two games, all of them were "suspended indefinitely" as soon as it happened because that sounds harsh. Guys who were on their second offenses were "not allowed near the team," and such until the details all came out, at which point they were booted.
Dantonio's current statement about "letting the legal process play out," is enough to at least suggest he plans on taking a similar course of action as he did with Winston, i.e. "time served." If he changes his mind, that would very much surprise me, but I will readily congratulate him if that comes to pass. I think there's plenty of indications already that Dantonio does not mean to have Rucker miss the Iowa game.
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I think you're reading tea leaves a bit with your last sentence. I wouldn't be surprised if you (and everyone else) is right and he's back for Iowa, well that's not true, I actually would be surprised. All I'm saying is that we don't know yet.
Wait and see what happens. If he comes back for Iowa or even Minnesota, and Dantonio doesn't address the issue other than to say he's back, hammer away.
on Dantonio's decline to comment.
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