WTF???? Does this support the Freep claim or run against it???

Submitted by James Burrill Angell on
So I know we don't read the Free Press but I had to check out this when a co-worker told me about something running on the front page of their website. I think they ran this trying to support their position but doesn't this sort of back the whole "everybody is doing it" defense? Article is titled: "Sports came first, NCAA athletes said in survey" "In 2006, when the NCAA tried for the first time to measure time commitments by athletes, the survey of 21,000 athletes attracted little national attention. No longer after the Free Press’ report last weekend into the Michigan football program.In the NCAA survey of Division I athletes, more than 70% said they considered themselves more of an athlete than a student. Football players estimated they spent 44.8 hours a week on their sport. That was nearly five hours a week more than any other sport — and 10 hours a week more than a majority of sports in the survey." "During the football season, NCAA rules allow only 20 hours a week of a player’s time in mandatory sports-related activities, such as practices, games, weight lifting, meetings and film sessions. Players spent numerous hours in other team-related activities that do not go against the 20-hour limit, from simple things like getting ankles tapped before practices to injury rehabilitation, travel, study hall, mandatory overnight hotel stays before games (at home and on the road) and voluntary workouts not supervised by coaches. During the off-season, except for spring practice and preseason camp, NCAA rules allow eight hours of mandatory activities." The rest is the usual recap of their story and quotes from two people who say essentially cliche b.s.

mjv

September 4th, 2009 at 3:38 PM ^

This doesn't run against the Freep claim, it runs a dagger through its heart. This is the story. The rules are established in such a manner that this level of activity is legal. Given the average hours presented, roughly half of the hours put in by the athletes are non-countable. What Michigan is doing is what everyone else is doing, because IT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE RULES as those rules are currently constructed.

NYWolverine

September 4th, 2009 at 9:48 PM ^

When Rosenberg's article first came out and the initial panic ensued, my first reaction was that if there was a legitimate story in here somewhere, it would be a between the lines criticism of all major college football programs. Something like, 'college experience and scholastic achievement suffer for athletes at major Division 1A programs' due to the extreme practice regimen that student-athletes take on. Or alternatively, 'Division 1A football players shown more likely to suffer practice related injuries than ever before' due to heightened demands for peak performance. You know, something more substantiated than, 'college athletes practice hard...maybe too hard.' Because how do you determine, past an arbitrary stance, when practicing hard becomes practicing 'too hard?' Subsequently as more information came out, even these proposed storyline seem ultimately refutable: top team GPA + consistent community service = Long Live the Michigan Man. And on the latter argument, college strength and conditioning programs across the board have been stressing core exercises and movements specifically designed to help the player avoid injury. See generally, any interview with Mike Barwis. Ergo, should the Freep manufacture a newsworthy criticism from the past week's mania, it will have to be a call for heightened black-letter NCAA requirements. Along the lines of: 'NCAA must install minimum GPA requirement consistent with, or more competitive than, class GPAs across NCAA student body at-large'. Or, re: the latter argument, 'NCAA must install core regimen at all major programs to minimize risk of injury to student athletes (assuming there is a heightened risk of injury at all).' Otherwise, I don't understand the onslaught of criticism. Student-athletes go to college for two reasons: an education and to audition for the NFL. College football players therefore automatically are some of the hardest working folks on college campuses. NCAA guidelines be damned, they're going to work as hard as it takes football-wise, and the motivation is definitely just as self driven as it is head-coach required. That's what makes these guys so damn admirable, and why we put our Michigan Men on such high pedestals. So let's be honest with ourselves: until there is installed a valid subsystem to professional football besides NCAA collegiate athletics, NCAA rules and regulations will never be followed in their strictest sense. College football is an athlete's best shot to draw attention from professional scouts. You're going to go above and beyond 9 times out of 10. And 9 times out 10, there will always be the handful of walk-ons with exceptional academic achievements to their credit to round out the team's chemistry. I'm not saying it's a total non-issue, but it's certainly nowhere near newsworthy as it has been the last several days.

jblaze

September 4th, 2009 at 3:39 PM ^

old USA today survey shows that "everybody is doing it", but missed in asking the voluntary/ mandatory designation. The fact that NCAA athletes spend >40 hours a week, doesn't mean that NCAA rules are being violated, as long as the 8/20 hour mandatory rule is followed. For some reason, the Freep does not understand this. Total hours mean nothing if anything over 8/20 is voluntary. Please mention this point to your co-worker. GO BLUE

mtzlblk

September 4th, 2009 at 3:40 PM ^

When it was easily available to them by conducting even the most cursory amount of research before releasing the original article. I can't decide which is worse, if they deliberately omitted it due to an agenda/bias, or just didn't look due to incompetence. Thanks for not putting a link in. Remember, don't go there. No traffic, bad Free Press.

jg2112

September 4th, 2009 at 3:46 PM ^

Yes he said the team was at Schembechler Hall on Sundays. NO reporter asked him to break down his time. There's probably a good reason for that - because between meals, tape, rehab, and other activities, there's a good chance the coaching staff didn't violate any rules and Clemons acknowledged that by signing a compliance form. That's on Joe Schad, Rosenberg and Snyder, not Clemons.

MichiganMan_24_

September 4th, 2009 at 4:18 PM ^

"Yes everything the media has said was happening at UM is true , none of it was fabricated" ... Considering the headline was UM commits NCAA Violations .. that IMO WAS fabricated I am a Colorado student and have no comment on UM would have kept him out of the truck.

jg2112

September 4th, 2009 at 3:48 PM ^

provided the follow up questions that Rosenberg and Snyder should have asked Toney Clemons, Je'Ron Stokes, Brandin Hawthorne while they were concocting their smear job. The fact that they (A) weren't aware of this study, or (B) were aware of this story, but decided that diving into the details didn't serve their purposes for writing the story, destroys their credibility and their ability to objectively ever report on Michigan football again in their careers.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 4th, 2009 at 3:44 PM ^

Are you referring to their recent fictional short stories they have been publishing or their ongoing claim to be a source for news? The former I'd have to say doesn't do much to support their overwhelming display of stupidity. Regarding the latter, I would say that this certainly doesn't support any claim to being a newspaper because they have simply cut and pasted what has been said by all of the real or semi-pro news outlets. Wouldn't it be embarrassing to show your ass everyday and claim that you are good at what you do???

tomhagan

September 4th, 2009 at 3:54 PM ^

Based on what RR, Mary Sue Coleman, Bill Martin etc. have said...if you read between the lines, this is how it may go down: * Michigan hired the BEST investigative law firm which specializes in NCAA violations because they know that they have done nothing wrong, and they have documented everything with compliance. in other words, Michigan is very confident that they have nothing to hide because they have done nothing wrong, and bringing in these guys who are the best investigators will show that they do not mess around. Once the report is completed and released, Michigan looks even better...even stronger. * The Freep and Michael Rosenberg will have no legs to stand on once this report is released. It was their fault to do a shoddy, sensationlized "investigation" and they will have to answer for it. * Michigan, IMO at that point...should demand a retraction and apology by the Freep, once the facts come out. The Freep will have to do this, or they will possibly face other repercussions such as boycott by advertisers and possible lawsuit to pay for the expenses that Michigan has gone through or more. imo, this is a win-win... even in the unlikely event that the NCAA investigation unturns something, well Michigan is now proactive and will at most get dinged with very minor infractions... but I dont see it like that...

Shalom Lansky

September 4th, 2009 at 4:44 PM ^

The story provides context. It could be that EVERY TEAM violates NCAA rules if the majority of the work put in is mandatory. While everyone does it, we are the only team that has former (current?) players (possibly, though not clear from the Freep) claiming such activities were not voluntary, as defined by the NCAA rules.

notYOURmom

September 4th, 2009 at 4:57 PM ^

It's more or less pointing out that a huge amount of stuff that teams do is not countable and thus not a violation. It is a shift in strategy to a story of "why does the NCAA allow so many exceptions" rather than "stick a fork in Richrod he's done."

Jorel

September 4th, 2009 at 5:07 PM ^

This report - which has been out for a long time - neither supports nor refutes any claims made in the Free Press story. It may provide some context that some (many) feel was lacking in the above mentioned newspaper report, but that's it. The Detroit News ran a story about this report today, as well.