Where is Terrence Taylor/pass rush?

Submitted by IBleedMaizeNBlue on

Has anybody seen him? Aside from his sack in the Miami game where he basically had a free ride up the middle to the QB on a blown assignment (as well as one more), we haven't seen much out of this guy. In fact, during a few plays in the Miami game, it was clear that Taylor was struggling with his conditioning: sucking wind, waddling around, clearly gassed. Watch him in the 4th quarter next game and you'll see what I mean. Isn't this guy supposed to be a first round NFL draft prospect? I think at this point Will Johnson is outperforming and outconditioning Terrence Taylor, who is looking painfully average.

Furthermore, where the heck is our pass rush? It's been woefully absent the past two games as QB's have had the luxury of sitting back and picking our underneath coverage apart. This is the area in which I'd like to see the most improvement from our defense in the ND game. That and Stevie Brown not screwing up. 

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dex

September 10th, 2008 at 8:37 AM ^ 

                                Sacks

                               No-Yds  

90 Jamison, Tim          2-11

97 Johnson, Will          2-11 

67 Taylor, T                 2-13

As a defense, Michigan has 9 sacks in two games.

 

So your real question was- why is Terrence Taylor exactly as productive as his teammates, right?

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dex

September 10th, 2008 at 8:57 AM ^

He also had 2, but those three were right in a line so I just pasted them in.

The individual stats actually added up to 11, but they only 9 listed for the team total, so i don't know if a couple of those are shared are what. 

Point still stands - Taylor, and our pass rush, is not an area of concern. 

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baleedat

September 10th, 2008 at 9:05 AM ^

"The individual stats actually added up to 11, but they only 9 listed for the team total, so i don't know if a couple of those are shared are what."

Aren't shared sacks recorded as .5? Where did you find these, mgoblue?

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dex

September 10th, 2008 at 9:13 AM ^

They were on mgoblue

Agreed on the .5 thing, that's how I'd always seen it done. But they had Graham-Taylor-Johnson-Jamison with 2 sacks, and Panter/Evans/Martin each with one, so....?

 

http://mgoblue.com/football/article.aspx?id=145666

 

EDIT:

 

Mystery kind of solved. If you look at the individual games, they do have .5's. If you add up the two games though, Taylor has 1.5 So I guess he does suck!

Panter/Evans each have a .5 in the Utah game. Johnson had a 1.5 and nothing in the Miami game, which somehow makes 2 on the total sheet.

Mgoblue is confusing. 

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bsb2002

September 10th, 2008 at 8:42 AM ^

wtf are you talking about? our pass rush has been very good and TT has done plenty considering he's a nose tackle who gets subbed on lots of passing downs and double-teamed on the rest

 

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Chrisgocomment

September 10th, 2008 at 8:48 AM ^

Yes, Taylor has been Barwisized, losing 30 pounds, I think?  Anway, hell yeah he's going to get tired in the 4th quarter, but that's why they sub in Martin to give him a rest.

Regardless, for him to have 2 sacks in 2 games dispite drawing a hell of a lot of attention is remarkable.

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baorao

September 10th, 2008 at 9:10 AM ^

The D-line's gameplan this year isn't always to pin their ears back and chase. They spent the first half of the Utah game using a D-line spy to contain Brian Johnson on the ground, and from time to time they use lineman just to occupy gaps. Taylor probably wasn't doing too much spying, but the point is that just because they aren't hitting the QB doesn't mean they aren't doing their job.

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kgh10

September 10th, 2008 at 6:10 PM ^

Bingo. First, the sack total alone is tops in the nation. Second, you can add about 10+ hurries, at least two intentional grounding penalties (credit to the DBs on that as well), top 12 in the nation for TFL, a bunch of holding penalties that would normally have added to the sack total, and a considerable amount of quick throwaways due to pressure. Eh...nvm, TT & Co. suck.

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chitownblue (not verified)

September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 AM ^

Just to point it out - this is the sort of post we tried to talk about in the "Quit your Bitchin'" thread - a post that states an "opinion" that not only lacks any sort of statistical back-up, but actually flies directly in the face of every single shred of evidence.

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chitownblue (not verified)

September 10th, 2008 at 9:41 AM ^

And Stevie Brown boned a single play so far. He forced one pick, and nearly got another, if Warren hadn't jumped in front of him. He's not doing that bad.

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VivaCommieFootball

September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 PM ^

That's a bit of a stretch. His ankles must be made of toothpicks, because receivers have broken them repeatedly. I noted two instances in the Miami game where Brown fell down untouched and ended up sitting on his ass as the receiver moved downfield. His performance has not been 'The Horror' catastrophic but he still has a long, long way to come because my heart skips a beat every time a ball sails in his direction.

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sca1zi

September 10th, 2008 at 9:50 AM ^

 supposed to plug up the middle and take double teams? I thought that's what his job was. Stop the run, and if he gets a sack, it's party time, excellent?

Not to bag on you here, my man, but I like the D line play so far. If anything, it's the LB's that are lacking(not sucking, mind you).

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Rockoba

September 10th, 2008 at 3:47 PM ^

the phrase "woefully absent" so woefully misused.  Our pass rush is one of the strongest parts of our team, any expectation for something significantly better is beyond wishful thinking.

Perhaps the hype about Shafer's crazy blitzing packages misled you as to what to expect from our line, but against spread teams running short 3-step drops it is almost impossible to tally up more sacks that we already have.

We will, however, sack Jimmy Clausen a lot on Saturday because A) their o-line is terrible and B) they run a more conventional offense that plays directly to our d-line's strengths as a unit.

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chunkums

September 10th, 2008 at 3:55 PM ^

Mr. IBleedMaizenBlue, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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