September 1st, 2018 at 11:10 PM ^
You are missing the key. O line. This is dumb
September 1st, 2018 at 11:37 PM ^
Yep. Warinner needs to earn his check this week. OLine can earn all the offseason praise they care to--praise doesn't open holes for running backs or give the QB time to go through his progressions...
September 2nd, 2018 at 6:56 AM ^
People complained about Tim Drevo last year. But he was coaching the O Line when Jedd Fisch was here. The offense looked better back then.
It is true, the O Line made some serious mistakes. And Ed Warinner, I am sure, will work on the line to improve it.
But I still ask, in what game has the passing game look since Pep Hamilton was hired as passing game coordinator?
September 1st, 2018 at 11:11 PM ^
Too much nfl shit. When we spread it out and went uptempo at the end, we were a lot better.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:42 PM ^
Was going to say this. Get a damn college playbook. NFL shit don’t work when you don’t have NFL players.
September 2nd, 2018 at 6:49 AM ^
Pep Hamilton did a good job in the pros? I think most people have not looked into his coaching resume. I don't know if he was properly vetted in his work history before he was hired.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:11 PM ^
Um I think we're saving the playbook until osu...
September 1st, 2018 at 11:11 PM ^
Agreed - what a shit offensive game plan. Al Borges was more aggressive.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
This is a garbage take that discredits anyone who holds it.
Pep did not recruit or coach the tackles. And they were the problem, full stop. There is simply no way to analyze his work on Harbaugh’s offense (he’s the OC, after all, it’s his game plan) after tonight’s game.
People who are angry at Pep are literally just demonstrating that they don’t know what they’re watching.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
The offense looked better with Jedd Fisch.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Yeah, it did. If Harbaugh really is the OC then the blame is his. It's time to hire a real OC and give him the keys.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^
The offensive line was better. Even still, it wasn't much better, if at all, against good defenses than what we saw tonight.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
Exactly
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Exactly this. The passing game looked fine to me. Receivers were open, Patterson generally put the ball in target, and the receivers did a great job making catches.
If the complaint is that nearly everything was within 5 yards of the los...well, to me that's a direct reflection of the state of the offensive line, recognizing they are not capable of protecting the QB for anything more complex. To me, the passing game was structured to do the best possible given the crap nature of the line.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:31 PM ^
Receivers were open? Pep Hamilton doesn't coach the receivers.
Fire Pep Hamilton and give Jim McElwain his duties. You will see an immediate improvement in the passing game.
Pep Hamilton has nothing on his resume. Jim McElwain has National Championships on his.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:43 PM ^
So the passing game coordinator doesn't get any credit for calling passing plays that get receivers open? You should quit drinking and go to bed. You don't know what you're talking about.
September 2nd, 2018 at 6:35 AM ^
The big complaint about receivers last year was that they couldn't get separation. Now they are getting separation. How are you giving credit to Pep Hamilton for that?
September 2nd, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^
What point are you trying to make? I've seen nothing but vague, blanket generalizations so far.
I'm saying I saw all the components for a functional passing game, including a reasonable plan to mitigate a crap offensive line. What more do you want from a passing game coordinator?
September 2nd, 2018 at 7:57 AM ^
Shouldn't credit for that go to the wr coaches?
September 2nd, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^
Do you think the WR coaches are working in isolation from the rest of the offense? Particularly the passing game coordinator? Yes, the WR coaches should be recognized for a good performance from the wide receivers. But shouldn't the passing game coordinator also take part in that praise? I don't see how you can separate those things, and yet somehow Pep is getting singled out for criticism.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
This game plan sucked. Passive. Pep Hamilton is not good.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
This game plan sucked. Passive. Pep Hamilton is not good.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:32 PM ^
Did Moorhead recruit the tackles at Penn State? Even with a bad offensive line, Moorhead turned around that offense quickly. Our passing offense has regressed significantly from the Jedd Fisch years. When we talk about Don Brown, we point to his years at BC, UConn, etc., when assessing him. Yes, we cannot make a definitive judgment based on one year and one game, but can you point to the Cleveland Brown or Colts or Howard offenses to bolster this $1MM/year passing coordinator? In the 5 Questions about Offense piece today, our $1MM passing coordinator was not even mentioned. We think Warinner, Drevno, and Frey can affect the offense, but our passing coordinator cannot? (UCLA's passing offense last year with Fisch improved significantly, by the way.) We do not have an OC. Regardless of the tackle situation, if you think the absence of a real OC (and a $1MM passing coordinator who disclaims any responsibility for the offense) is meaningless, let me simply say that I strongly disagree. I won't follow your lead by simply calling your "take" a foul name. That's not an argument. It's just an unreasoned attack.
September 2nd, 2018 at 12:35 AM ^
We have an OC, his name is Harbaugh
September 2nd, 2018 at 12:47 AM ^
How are you so certain he is not a problem?
Rudock did not have a good OL and by the 2nd half the season our pass game was frickin great that year. Thank you Jedd.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
We have bigger fish to fry than Pep Hamilton
Shut the fuck up with this shit.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:26 PM ^
Ok.
Name one game where the passing game has looked good since Pep Hamilton has been hired.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^
We threw for 4 times more yards than we rushed for tonight.
The offensive woes rest squarely on the shoulders of Harbaugh. He calls plays, he designs the offense.
No scape goats this year.
September 2nd, 2018 at 7:01 AM ^
Harbaugh designs the offense?
September 2nd, 2018 at 7:29 AM ^
This is true.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
No this is Jim’s offense and it’s as bad as no one wanted to admit
September 1st, 2018 at 11:19 PM ^
He doesn’t run the offense or call plays this year. From what they said before Jim is back on that this year.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
Why, was he playing LT?
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Yep, Pep Hamilton is f-ing hot garbage. Same shit from last year. Drevno was only half the issue. Playing call still stinks.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Ask Brian he deleted my thread. Ole Miss would have scored 28+ on offense in this game. We have made Patterson impotent.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Yep, Pep Hamilton is f-ing hot garbage. Same shit from last year. Drevno was only half the issue. Playing call still stinks.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Harbaugh is the coach not pep.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:33 PM ^
Pep is in the booth calling the plays. Just not good - hot garbage is the grade ... D+ at best
September 2nd, 2018 at 12:11 AM ^
Pep is not calling plays. Harbaugh is and he has told us this time and time again lol
September 1st, 2018 at 11:34 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh was the head coach when Jedd Fisch was here.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:25 PM ^
Rich Rod shredded ND. Take it for what you will.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:27 PM ^
No he shouldn't be. 2nd and goal from the 2, they tried to get aggressive, and got smoked. The tackles can't do enough to have an aggressive game plan against a good defense. Until that changes this will look a lot like last year.
I give the whole team credit for not giving up under brutal circumstances.
September 2nd, 2018 at 12:18 AM ^
Dropping back to pass from the 2, with our tackles, isn’t aggressive, it’s stupid. Whoever called that play had their head in the sand.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:27 PM ^
Yes. You can jsut blame Harbaugh, there was a lot of evident that shows Pep was a bad OC or bad passing game coordinator. Did you see any game Harbaugh prasing Pep as he did on Jeb Fisch? No.
Just look at the red zone offense and creativity ont he passing game design/ It's very sub bar and predictable. Don't give me crap about Harbaugh is the OC. He's not, the OC offer play for him toe select. It's clear that Harbaugh didn't have too many good play to select.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
duplicate post
September 1st, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
Hire a fucking OC! Stay out of it Harbaugh.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:32 PM ^
It's frustrating teams like Utah State and App state look better than us on O and in passing. No way they are more talented than us. It comes down to playcalling. Something is really broken. Maybe Harbaugh needs to hire a superb O coordinator and not be the one calling plays.
September 1st, 2018 at 11:39 PM ^
Exactly. What Harbaugh did with Don Brown (hire a great college DC), Franklin did with Moorhead (hire a great college OC), is what we are asking for. We do not even have an OC this year. Harbaugh has enough on his plate. We hired the Cleveland Browns' OC as our passing coordinator, and we are surprised when our college passing offense does not succeed. What did we expect?