Sheridan V Threet
I brought this up in the insanity thread (you know the one I mean). The thing i don't get is this: why are these 2 QBs considered to reside at opposite ends of the spectrum? i mean, if Navarre is 1 and Mike Vick is 100, i get the sense that sheridan is like 55 and Threet is a 45. why do people think sheridan is an 85 and threet a 15? (i hope it's obvious that i'm not talking talent/NCAA09 scale in this metric, but rather 'style of QBing' independent of talent)
And it's the same with the offense... one QB will not have a greatly different package than the other. because (IMO) both are closer in skill sets than most think, I think the offense is essentially INDEP of the QB (removing CB23 and Feagin aside). Therefore, what it comes down to is this: which can run this offense more successfully? that means which is more accurate, makes better decisions, holds on to the ball and yes, which can make a little something out of nothing with their legs or their arm or their pocket presence or whatever.
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I feel like a lot of this so called "controversy" surrounding who starts at quarterback against Utah has its roots in the fact that practices for the first time are open to the public. I know this doesn't address your question directly, but I think as a community we aren't maybe used to the commotion that commonly surrounds pre-season football as Lloyd effectively made sure there was nothing to talk about. I think every quarterback competition comes down to who runs the offense more successfully, but in this case, we as a community and the local press wants to use our newfound access to analyze Threet's and Sheridan's respective skills. The only problem is we have taken that analysis to far.
I think RichRod is fortunate that he has the skill players to limit the plays out quarterback have to make this year. If any aspect of our team as been overlooked this summer, I feel that it's the skill players on offense. I mean, hey, its an oversimplification, but I kinda feel like all we have to do is get the ball to a Stonum, Hemmingway, Minor and let them do their stuff.
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To H20's point, I don't think the fanbase is ready for this access. Or at least many of those who devour every piece of news aren't ready. We were left in the dark for so many years, that things that happen - lke a QB sucking for a few practices - that happened probably every year, get wildly reacted to. Shaw bulldozes a player on a single play, and everyone is ready to anoint him the savior.
The one thing I'm positive of is this: I know too little about football for my "analysis" of a player's skll-set to mean shit.
And, MA, your point is also true - if we're making a 1 to 100 point scale, 1 being "Leftwich with a broken leg" and 100 being "Vick", then it seems like Threet and Sheridan are probably pretty fucking close to the same data point. Is Sheridan a little more towards Vick? Maybe, but we're not playing a true running threat, regardless.
In the end, we'll see about 5 videos of practice, about 5 minutes each. They coaches will see all of all the practices. In the end, seeing these kids day in, day out, for several hours probably means we don't have a right to question who plays and who doesn't.
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and I think that's why we're all losing our fucking minds over this. The offense is going to struggle no matter what, so I'm relatively ambivalent*.
*until the season starts and we start losing, however, at which point I will become a raving lunatic screaming for RichRod's head.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:22 PM ^
Even the coaches will be making a choice based upon a limited data set. They will see the two QBs in PRACTICE against their teammates who aren't allowed to kill them. Whoever RR chooses will still need to perform in the GAMES. The change in pressure and what they face in terms of defensive style will be two major variables that they cannot replicate in practice. Both are roughly the same type of QB, who will likely be asked to run the same set of plays.
I doubt that many people believed Sheridan was really the equal of Threet (given their relative recruiting hype - myself included), but as long as RR & Co choose the player that has the greatest likelihood of winning, I can't bitch.
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I think maybe what I enjoy the most is how we can look at increased access simply as a window through which to view RichRod's system and how it differs from the old regime. I've enjoyed the tangible differences we've seen from the conditioning program to the amount of competition between players and the intensity of the coaches. I definitely agree we really don't have the right to pass judgment on the performances of kids that young. But I do enjoy the more tangible, less debatable changes we've seen that we can be excited about but not risk over analyzing.
Oh, and MaizeAndBlueWahoo, it that Wahoo at the end of your name a reference to the cavaliers?
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I do really like Charlottesville. It was a fantastic place to grow up. I couldn't help but look at your blog and see the picture of George Welsh, maybe? I was pretty young and generally unaware of his importance when he retired. But he did a lot for the program. I have to confess, though, I'm not as die-hard as a UVA fan as I should be. I grew up a U of M fan and was just never able to follow the Hoo's as much as I did the Wolverines.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:26 PM ^
Couldn't have put it better than Blue Durham did. Welsh IS the program. Virginia football - George Welsh = Duke football. My first year there was Welsh's last.
Thanks for the good words on the blog, guys. It's turning out to be a pretty addictive hobby, and coming on strong too.
August 14th, 2008 at 2:03 PM ^
I have been to C'ville a number of times as my wife lived there a couple of years. Great, great town and area. MaizeAndBlueWahoo, I too have checked out your site a few weeks back - keep up the journeyman work. I hope you develop a strong base.
Back in the early eighties, UVa was widely considered the #1 worse football program in the country. Worse than Northwestern. Worse than UVa's main rival, Duke. When Duke had Spurrier as head coach, they kicked the crap out of UVa. The absolute worse team in the weakest conference in the country (no U, FSU, BC or VaTech).
Welsh came in from Army, I believe and did a tremendous job. Even had his team ranked #1 when they had (I think) a couple of Moores at QB and WR in 1991, I think. And he stayed at UVa! Built it into quite a respectable program, which was thought impossible before he was hired.
I have nothing but respect for the guy and what he accomplished in C'ville.
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There was some moderate competition between Henne as a sophomore and post-surgury Guttierrez. Insider information at that time expressed concern over Henne's throwing, particularly in short routes (prophetic) and stated that Guttz looked generally better, more confident, and more accurate. Henne, of course, retained the starting position with a healthy Guttz alternating between holding kicks and holding a clipboard. Most just assumed that this was Lloyd staying loyal to his starter regardless of who was best.
Granted, I'm not really sure if the insider information that I heard about was true--it was someone who attended several practices during camp that August and told my father directly, but I have no recollection of who it was and what experience they had in making such an assessment. Also, I'm not really sure that those rumblings took hold, except maybe within the cluster of season-ticket holders in the immediate vicinity of my father. But it illustrates a few points, some of which have already been expressed:
- The access is probably better, because we're more likely to know the source--it's likely to be a member of the media who have a reputation to guard . . . not always a good reputation, but a reputation nonetheless.
- You have to take it in context: chitownblue hit on this above, and I think it's a good point. We're looking at video clips from mgoblue.com fluffpieces and from the Michigan rivals site. Even reporters are only seeing 30 minutes of practice once a week or so. At this point in the season, the coaches are the only ones who have been around 100% of the time, and they know the players personally, including how comfortable they are with the system and what kind of a leadership role they're capable of taking, plus they're like professionals and stuff. Anumal wears the "in Rod we trust" shirt for a reason.
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