Rush to Judgement

Submitted by Ziff72 on
The Conway meltdown has brought up something that has kind of bothered me for a while. With our depth problems the past few years we have been forced to play many young players and the minute they get on the field they are immediately "scouted" by the masses and so labeled despite the fact we know little or really closer to nothing about the million of circumstances surrounding their play. When you saw the highlight of Conway in the open field did you know...he had an ankle sprain, it was in the 4th qtr and he had never left the field during the game, he had just run 2 fly routes the play before, he's 15-16 years old and at 6' 4" could still be adjustin to his body? All of thes things could have greatly impacted his speed. T. Jones got on the field as a true frosh at a position he was switched to just weeks before and he was immediately dismissed. Someone actually said he looked too slow. M. Shaw got hauled down in Minny as a freshmen and people said he wasn't the home run threat we hoped for. Later we learned he had pretty severe groin injury. V. Smith was labeled M. Hart slow when he got hauled down last year despite the fact he had carried the ball several plays in a row and we had no idea how fast the guy that caught him was. I think it has something to do with the unknown being better than the known or the grass is greener theory. I'm just glad now that J. Turner wasn't thrown on the field before he was ready or we'd all have a true freshmen depth chart at CB. Just a little patience people.

Magnus

February 21st, 2010 at 10:09 PM ^

So what's the point of your question? YOU asked if it was possible. I said it's NOT possible. And suddenly you're saying it IS possible, history and logic be damned. _____________________________________ You: "Is it possible that the sun won't rise tomorrow?" Me: "No, it's not possible. The sun will rise." You: "You're wrong. It is possible." Do you see how silly that conversation is?

Magnus

February 21st, 2010 at 10:17 PM ^

You just don't get it. It's ridiculous to pose a question, get an answer you don't like, and then say "I already know the answer, and it's not the one you're giving. To hell with your 'logic' and 'statistics!!!'" I have nothing more to say on the subject. The end.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:20 PM ^

You are making this waaaay too difficult for yourself, or maybe your just trying to put yourself on a pedestal. I don't know. I posed a question. Yes. You answered. Yes. Nowhere did I ever say "NO MAGNUS, you are wrong. I merely asked a follow up and "what if". I don't see the harm in that. Really, I don't. So why the soap b0ox routine?

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 9:53 PM ^

I'm sorry, I didn't expect someone to answer in an asshole like way. Whoops. I'll take your word as gospel. Sorry if I didn't take it at first. Yeah. Whatever bud.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:00 PM ^

Why does asking another question have to equal "npot being able to handle the answer"? Are you serious? Please, just sum up every thread so they don't have to continue, because of course...you would have given them the ALMIGHTY ANSWER! Thank you.

Magnus

February 21st, 2010 at 10:05 PM ^

I'll answer "Why does asking another question have to equal "npot being able to handle the answer"?" with a quote from you: "I'm sorry, I didn't expect someone to answer in an asshole like way. Whoops." If answering "yes" to your yes/no question is an "asshole like way," then I'm guilty.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:08 PM ^

You really want to go round and round on this? Seriously. I'll make it clear...I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR ANSWER. What makes you look but hurt is after I asked a follow up, you respond with the smarmy "Uhhh...I just explained that." If you don't like people asking follow ups or maybe havingn differnt views, don't answer at all. You obvioulsy can't handle different view points.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:17 PM ^

I mean, I guess I was expecting you to take into account the possibility that this kid is only a Jr with a big frame who is still growing, and though he may not become 245, he may become large enough to be a certain type of TE. I didn't realize I had to spell that out for you. Good times.

Blue Durham

February 21st, 2010 at 10:30 PM ^

and it is no problem to have different expectations. Magnus, with his experiences in football (which far, far exceeds mine-and he does have an excellent blog that focuses on recruiting), has certain insights. Take them or not for what they're worth. Don't take his "holier than though" attitude personally (and in this case it was practically non-existent); he's told me I'm stupid before. I got over it.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:37 PM ^

Fair enough. I'm sure he has a lot of knowledge...and if so, I'd like to be able to ask a follow up or two and not get a answer to a follow up that was condescending IMO. I wasn't upset with his answer, I was merely just putting out the possibility that this kid is still young and could get some size. Of course as of now, it looks ridiculous. But he seems to have the height and frame to grow into. If I am completely off-base in that assumption being possible, ok.

Blue Durham

February 21st, 2010 at 10:47 PM ^

that bad (realize that at my age I remember the '70's Minnesota Vikings' Purple People Eaters where Page and Marshall, on the DL, were in the 220's!), but Magnus has a lot of experience following player development from high school through college. But also realize that he is not necessarily right, either. Five (5!) years is a lot of time until his senior (w/o redshirt) year; a lot can happen. Just that the odds, right now, are on Magnus' side that Conway will end up being a WR.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 10:56 PM ^

You are correct Blue Durham. As of right now as a Junior in High School, he is obviously a wirey WR, but I'm just merely bringing up the possibility that...maybe, with a lot of time left and a lot of physical development, he could grow into a lighter, quicker TE. I don't know how much Magnus knows or what his background is, but it sounds like he knows quite a bit. Again, not upset with his asnwer...I respect it and am glad he answered...I just didn't feel like he was giving the same respect in me wanting to know more. Wasn't trying to challenge him. Just asking if it is possible.

the fume

February 21st, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^

in saying that the odds are that he won't become a TE. Of course nothing is impossible, but even if he could in theory do it at 225 it's still probably over 90% that he won't. It's a bit disingenuous of Magnus to think that because you asked the question 'Am I wrong?' that you weren't willing or allowed to debate. But he really seems to know what he's talking about, and generally explains it pretty well, so the good far outweighs any abrasiveness. Best to just let it go.

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^

If the "am I wrong" part implied that there is no debate,then my apologies. That is not what I was going for. I should of asked "is there a possibility" that he could grown into a TE. I just want the guy to succeed and help Michigan obviously, but again, asking "what if" and trying to have a small debate on the possibilities...even if at the moment in the here and now, it obviously doesn't seem like it will happen.

Blue Durham

February 21st, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^

belt, is off all of the services' radar, and has only UM's offer, I really don't think anything is outside the realm of possible (and recall that he is also the high school team's lock-down corner; and that the film perhaps shows him while he is hampered by an ankle injury). I don't doubt that RR and his staff see that he is a significant talent given the early offer. Conroy says that he is recruited as a WR; given the absence of any other information, I think that should be accepted at face value. But again, none of us know (1) what RR has in mind for his future (2) the needs of the team during Conroy's tenure (3) how this 17 year old is going to physically develop in the next 5 years. Things change. As I recall, wasn't the point guard on our BB team getting PT as our running back last season?

MacombBLUE

February 21st, 2010 at 11:49 PM ^

"But again, none of us know (1) what RR has in mind for his future (2) the needs of the team during Conroy's tenure (3) how this 17 year old is going to physically develop in the next 5 years. Things change. As I recall, wasn't the point guard on our BB team getting PT as our running back last season?" Exactly. That pretty much sums up what I'm getting at. No argument that he was offered as a WR and right now is a WR, but he has a ton of time to mature and grow. I do believe there is a possibility. I am curious to see how big he gets or doesn't get once he gets on campus.