Re-Do on the Ohio FFFF (Offense)
We've had people call for Opponent Watch to come back, and a UFR on the game. How about a re-issue of the Ohio State FFFF (offense)? Here are some suggestions based on the game Saturday:
- No shield for Treveyon Henderson. He's a one-cut speed guy - basically Chris Evans plus 10 pounds minus some shiftiness. 30 guys in college football could average 7.0 YPC in that offense.
- No shield for Nicholas Petit-Frere or Dawand Jones. Both of those guys were exposed yesterday and cost themselves millions. Both looked like Maryland "5-Star" OTs: looked the part but ask them to take more than three or four steps or change direction and they're beat.
- No star over for the interior line. We got gashed by Maryland the weak before and the OSU interior line did basically nothing in the run game.
No shield for Chris Olave. Has been their third best receiver all year and dropped an easy catch in the end zone. Looks good until they get within 30 yards of the end zone then disappears.
Other suggestions?
November 28th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^
Based on this assessment, I’m barely impressed we beat them ?
November 28th, 2021 at 3:09 PM ^
Pretty sure my kid's high school team could have taken 'em. /s
November 28th, 2021 at 2:59 PM ^
No shield for Chris Olave? That young man will most definitely be a 1st or 2nd round pick in the next draft. He's the #3 WR on their team and will most likely hit 1k yards in the bowl game.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:07 PM ^
It almost comes across salty.
We ran into a buzz saw and smacked them. Those guys were good. I have no interest in belittling their ability, but it also seems disingenuous. Great football game for the rivalry for us to take them out when they are on top, not kick them when they are down. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade away 2011, but this one feels better.
November 28th, 2021 at 4:15 PM ^
I've heard announcers criticize Olave for his route running, and his production has fallen off as teams have played more zone against OSU. He doesn't look much different than Roman Wilson to me.
How are we #2 in the country with 10:1 odds to win the national championship if our entire team has 5 "star overs" or exactly the same amount as the OSU offensive line? MGoBlog either drastically over estimated OSU or drastically under estimated our team.
November 29th, 2021 at 10:11 AM ^
It's not necessarily true that either assessment was wrong. It honestly looked like OSU just got shook, and never got the handle back on their confidence.
November 28th, 2021 at 2:59 PM ^
Let’s go beat Iowa.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:00 PM ^
#Aidan4Heisman
Chant this weekend after any sack please as I cannot attend.
AI-DAN HEIS-MAN
He only needs to slightly tweak his pose.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:04 PM ^
This is a bit ridiculous. Michigan outplayed, and outcoached, OSU. That doesn't mean any of OSUs players are not as good as we thought.
NPF and Olave will both be draft picks regardless of this game. Sometimes great players get outplayed.
Is Tom Brady not great anymore cuz he lost to Eli and the Giants twice? Absolutely not.
OSU has a roster full of future NFL players, and Michigan gave them a beat down.
That says more about Michigan than OSU.
November 28th, 2021 at 4:08 PM ^
What you're saying is that this post is basically the overrated chant and that in doing such a chant one diminishes their own accomplishments.
The FFFF shield designation means all-American level, right? You said..."NPF and Olave will both be draft picks regardless of this game"...draftable doesn't mean All-American.
I think the authors on this site tend to rely too heavily on things like PFF's ratings for things like FFFF. It's not like that site is nothing but experts. One time I looked up the author of a PFF write-up. Turned out to be a Canadian University student majoring is majoring in sports marketing or something.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:05 PM ^
I don't think Alex and Seth should do the extra work of an actual redo, since they've been slammed all year and have put in a heroic effort nonetheless, but the entire OSU offensive line deserves to lose their stars and every other honor. They got decisively beaten by our front and looked lost at times. I do believe Michigan has a strong defensive front, perhaps even top ten nationally, but either way OSU's line got exposed. 2.1 yards per carry on the ground and 4 sacks and a seemingly infinite succession of QB pressures. For once, we all managed to overrate the Ohio State Buckeyes
EDIT: Fair enough to everyone saying we should bask in the glory of beating an undeniably talented and good team and simply being better than them. I retract my statement
November 28th, 2021 at 3:34 PM ^
Thank you! Not a single one of our offensive lineman is even a star over according to MGoBlog, but every single one of their offensive lineman was, and two had shields! I realize this is petty but we're all commenting on an internet blog here and gosh darn it I want at least two stars on our offensive lineman.
November 28th, 2021 at 7:43 PM ^
Is the osu Oline bad?
or are our guys that good?
I lean towards the latter, could be osu didn’t respect our team enough, I mean they hadn’t lost a conference game in 3 years right?
Hutchinson, Ojabo, Hinton, Smith and all the Dline and LBrs played an outstanding game.
whatever osu players end up playing in their bowl game (some may sit out)will beat whoever they play.
they are an outstanding team but we finally learned that it takes all year to sort them out and have a game plan to beat them.
on to Iowa
beat the hawks
November 28th, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^
We beat the crap out of a very talented team. That is what makes this so, so sweet. I say let it stand.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:08 PM ^
This is an insult to Alex’s hard work in watching hours of game tape to provide the FFFF analysis. It’s not a re-do. OSU just got their asses whooped by a superior team. In fact, the FFFF analysis pointed out many of the areas to exploit, which M did with excellence.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:22 PM ^
I'm not trying to diminish what our team did, or the analysis that Seth and Alex do. But keep in mind a shield is "All American / NFL 1st round." Based on what I saw on Saturday that applies to maybe three guys on the OSU offense (Stroud, JSN, Wilson). No way Henderson is on that level (at least right now), and if I'm an NFL scout no way I'm spending a first rounder on either of those tackles. Olave is more debatable, but he's clearly the third best receiver on that team, so they're all All Americans? He's as good as Jahan Dotson (who is getting mocked in the late first round)?
November 28th, 2021 at 3:50 PM ^
Olave is still a 1st round pick, and I'll bet those tackles still go high in the draft.... it's more an argument that maybe our DTs and a CB or 2 deserve more recognition rather than these OSU guys don't
November 28th, 2021 at 3:14 PM ^
I disagree with redoing the OSU offensive FFFF; the result yesterday against a quality offence was just a testament to the heart and fight our three/four stars showed against a Five Star Death Star.
That said, there is one addendum that I would make to the FFFF analysis:
November 28th, 2021 at 4:19 PM ^
Could This be a shirt in the MGoStore?
November 28th, 2021 at 3:41 PM ^
With regard to Petite-Frere & Jones, I don't think Seth's UFR is going to grade Hutch & Ojabo quite to the same level as achieved in recent weeks. Very good games of course, but Hutch isn't going to grade out at +25 here. PF & J were a damn sight more effective than Maryland's tackles. Maryland could have played an orange cone against Hutch and not done much worse.
November 28th, 2021 at 3:52 PM ^
Don't dishonor the foe. Simply celebrate the heroism of the day!
November 28th, 2021 at 4:05 PM ^
Western Michigan definitely had a better offense. Geez. Maybe our defense played a fantastic game against a really good opponent.
November 28th, 2021 at 4:21 PM ^
Err, three shields and 4 "star overs" would still the best offense in the country by a wide margin. I wasn't suggesting we downgrade them to WMU levels.
November 28th, 2021 at 4:11 PM ^
The only "re-do" needed is Captain America shields for Haskins and Hutchinson.
November 28th, 2021 at 5:57 PM ^
As long as Cade retains his Saiyan Shield I can live with it but don't start moving the f'ing goalposts again. Michigan beat a very good football team to the point where they didn't quite want to football as much as they did a few hours before.
November 28th, 2021 at 6:17 PM ^
I'm not sure how this became about moving the goalposts. I've been a Michigan fan since I was three years old and enjoyed the hell out of that game yesterday. I just think the perception of the talent differences between these two teams is waaaay out of whack.
We have the athletes to hang with any team in the country, including OSU. It's been more a mental thing with this team since 2017, and it's time for this fanbase to start acknowledging that. Go back and watch the 2017 or even 2019 games, and if you switched QBs and kept Michigan from repeatedly shooting itself in the dick, the results are reversed in both of those games. There's no way OSU has as much exceptional talent on it's O-Line as we have on our entire team. I guess now is not the time to make that point, so oh well....
November 28th, 2021 at 7:57 PM ^
You gotta do a UFR because the season, amazingly, isn't over, right?
November 28th, 2021 at 9:59 PM ^
Games like this come down to a few things. Talent, effort, gameplan, and playing style. There is a reason the Wisconsins and Michigan States of the world can compete against the USCs or Texas's of the world. If we dropped back and threw the ball 50 times yesterday we would have got boat raced. The difference between 2020 (2-4) Michigan and 2021 (11-1) is Michigan finally embraced the fact we dont have a 1st round QB and 3 1st round WRs, and 4 5 star OTs. It's late November in B1G country. Run the ball, stop the run, and tackle. Harbaugh finally brought what made Toby Gerhardt a 1st round talent to Michigan.
OSU is everything they were billed out to be, we just didnt play their game for once. Heroic effort by Aidan and the offensive line. We are no longer stuck in 1 thing without the ability to adapt. We always had the talent, but we were playing checkers not chess. Welcome Michigan to the 21st century.