QB Depth Chart: If You Had To Choose
Jim Harbaugh talking about 2 players leaving Michigan made many speculate about who they were. Many guessed Brandon Peters. Why did so many bring up his name? Such talk of Brandon Peters transferring before that day made many bristle and say, "Let's not even talk about players transferring". But with so many speculating he was going to be one of the 2, it revealed how many have had a feeling Brandon Peters is going to leave Michigan.
So it brings me to this: why are so many feeling he is going to leave? Is it because of the favorable talk from some insiders, and a few coaches, about Dylan McCaffrey? Dylan McCaffrey could be the player that insures Brandon Peters never gets a meaningful snap at Michigan again. That may or may not be true...... I do think it's true though. But what about you?
I am expecting this to be the QB depth chart come September 1:
So, if this is the depth chart, showing that Brandon Peters will be stuck behind Dylan McCaffrey this season, and possibly, his entire remaining career at Michigan, would Brandon Peters transfer out of Michigan?
And, do you think this is going to be the QB depth chart this season?
I think the starter will be the guy who plays the best.
As for Peters, next year will be his 3rd year at UM. He has already used his redshirt so transferring after next year would make no sense for him unless he is ready to graduate. I suspect he will take all factors into account before deciding if he wants to be a grad transfer. Some of the factors will be whether Patterson stays more than 1 year and Peters' playing time during the 2018 season. Given the unknowns, there is no point to this speculation unless you're just looking for a reason to drink.
The guy who plays the best will start?! That’s crazy talk! Quit drinking and go back to bed.
some takes are just too hot to handle
Well according to some sources, that’s not how Hoke managed the depth chart IIRC.
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Well, the guy who played the best was back-up for a while last year.
It could absolutely make sense for him to transfer after next year even if he is not ready to graduate.
Scenario 1, he is second on the depth chart (or worse he is below 2nd) and he doesn't want to play a backup role in his fourth year. So transfers to new school where he'd sit out the first year and could play the second. But he gets to learn the new school's system while he waits. Seems like he'd be better off learning the new system so he be ready to play in his last year. The risk is that he misses some backup role game snaps (would could be meaningful if the starter goes down for any extended period of time). Of course, if he is 3rd string or lower, then that risk is lower (bus not impossible as we saw last year).
Scenario 2, he is not on track to graduate after 4 years. If he stays for his fourth year at Michigan and does not graduate before the 5 season, he can't graduate transfer. So, either he stays at Michigan for year 5 or calls it a college career.
Scenario 3, The rules change to make transfers not have to sit out a year.
Scenario 4, he just wants out for whatever reason.
Scenario 5, I'm not sure exactly how this one works, but if he is willing to pay his own pay (ie not be on scholarship at the new school, does he have to sit out a year?
I think he just wanted to show off his picture posting ability. Four in a row with numbers and captions...well done Mr. Panther. I had a personal tutorial from Seth at the Jolly Pumpkin and I still have to have other people post my pictures in the comments.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure it's just one picture that the OP created and inserted into the post.
With all the Joe Milton hype, I think your depth chart is correct now, but Milton and Peters switch positions next year. Assuming Patterson is off making some NFL team happy, that puts Peters at 3 again in 2019.
While a little off topic, the Milton hype train has me believing he'll jump McCaffrey too in 2019, but I'd sure like to see them both play a snap before I bet money on it.
I think it's clear Patterson is going to be the starter, but I would bet money that Peters ends up the one who comes in for clean-up duty of if there's an injury. I think people are putting WAY too much emphasis on a bad bowl game after coming back from a concussion. He looked solid when playing leading up to the concussion.
Also, I find it hilarious how quickly people go from a player being our savior to not really caring if he transfers. Although I don't think it'll happen, I'm rooting for Peters to win the starting job for a few reasons:
1) If he does beat out Patterson, it means he is playing better than a relatively known quantity. That means we probably get B+ to A- QBing this year.
2) He doesn't just want to play 1 year and go to the NFL, and doesn't currently have any draft hype. If Peters plays and is the 1st/2nd best QB in the B10, it's likely he'll be back another year to improve.
3) Peters chose Michigan. Patterson chose Ole Miss.
I'm glad you aren't the one deciding who starts since you classified Peters as solid. Proves you can't really tell what's going on out there.
I think the Milton hype train should slow down a little bit. They guy has a great arm and is very good athlete, but to think he would jump a talent like DM is getting a little ahead of ourselves. Dylan is damn good and might just be #2 on the depth chart this year and might get some decent playing time. I think it's likely Patterson is one and done and Dylan is our starter for 2 -3 years.
I think this is the year that DCaff makes his move to #2. Love the Milton hype, but he's raw and a project. McNamara coming in next year and think the pattern of a 4-5 star each year is becoming established. Think that message was sent in the winter when Don Brown raved about DCaff.
If Patterson comes in this year and slays it, most likely cashing in. Redshirt sophomore DCaff takes over with depth behind him.
Would not be surprised to see Peters go. Think he has the tools but lacks the "it" factor.
That last line is how I feel as well. I would really hate to see Peters go. I remember being in awe of his deep ball throwing ability when I saw his high school tape, and I liked what I saw for the most part when he played last season. He just always seemed to be moving slower than everyone else. Almost lackadaisical. In contrast, Shea always seems to be super alert and aware, which is a quality I look for in QB's.
"Think he has the tools but lacks the "it" factor."
Some people just can't get over "the slide." And I am one of them. Let's see Shea and then Dillon.
Peters should transfer .... Harbaugh gave up on him when he went out and got Patterson ...
I agree 100%
He will be a flight risk during fall camp if he is 3rd on the depth chart.
is he able to graduate soon?
if yes, he should grad transfer once he does if the depth chart is as expected
if no, he'll lose a year so he might as well stay and grab the degree and then transfer
I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
McCaffrey looks like a good QB in all aspects. I have a very good feeling about him. He's too valuable for the coaches to not put a priority on him for development for the future. I think it's too late for Peters. He has some great aspects to him, especially the beautiful accuracy he has. But some turnovers last season, and in particular I mean the way those turnovers happened, have put him behind McCaffrey.
I'm sure the coaches are fully aware Peters is a flight risk. Peters should do what he can to graduate so he can be a grad transfer, and not lose a year of eligibility. He has potential. But I don't think as much as McCaffrey.
not saying DM isn't a good qb but no one has ever seen him play college football so where does he look like a good qb in all aspects? I cant justify putting DM ahead of BP based on game film unless he is better in practice which none of us know besides umbig11
Exactly how I feel. Regardless how you feel Peters looked during games, he was IN the games. DM has never seen the field and he's anointed #2? Not sure I agree with that take OR that Patterson is gone after one year. What has he shown that would make him a high round draft choice? If he goes out this fall and leads M to the Big Ten Championship and maybe a playoff berth then maybe he goes, but that's a long way off. Let's see if this team can beat ND first. Baby steps.
I may be missing something, but if a player were to transfer during fall camp, 2018 still counts as their ineligible year, right? He (or anyone else) would be able to enroll in a new school and play in 2019?
I know people are saying "just finish the year and grad transfer," and I understand that (and honestly at this point I think he's probably going to be the backup and may get serious PT) but if it looks like he's been passed over it's not unreasonable from his perspective to go somewhere where there's a fresh start available and start learning the new team right away.
If Dylan McCaffrey finds himself at 3rd string isn't there also a flight risk?
I think there's more potential for quicker impact for the team with Dylan McCaffrey than Brandon Peters. That's why I think Dylan McCaffrey is more valuable to lose. If he is placed at 3rd string, he may leave. I hope this doesn't sound cold, but I think Brandon Peters should be the one left as the flight risk. It's going to be one or the other. I would keep McCaffrey. So I would make him 2nd string.
2nd string is certain to stay at Michigan. Which you would rather see stay should be the first criteria in deciding between Peters and McCaffrey who will be 2nd string.
This blog continues to amaze me, JH has praised each qb this spring and summer (Including BP). No one knows the depth chart except the coaches. Giving up on BP after only playing 5 games shows how dumb this board is sometimes. I just want to hear after a week of fall camp someone is getting the most reps and is established the #1 qb roll.
Let's assume every QB was praised and they all received equal reps? Do you think there is a pecking order or depth chart after spring practice?
Of Course, But that doesn't mean a QB cant work over the summer and get better. I just don't think you write off a player after 5 games like most do here.
Yeah, I can see your point. I can assure that there is a depth chart and every player knows where they stand each day. Lots of people come and go from Schembechler Hall each day. Those charts leak to the public.
Understandable, So in your opinion and what you hear is DM really ahead of BP?
BP pulled ahead of him at the end of spring practice. those two are close.
Thank you. Now that was useful information!
and we all can assume SP is ahead of those two....? close race or big gap between 1 and 2/3?
He will be better for staying. Competition breeds champions.
But would that be good for him personally?
Truthfully, any QB who's in his 3rd, 4th, or 5th year and not starting should at least consider the idea of transferring. It's going to be different in every situation (if you're #2 as a redshirt sophomore, and the starter is a 5th year senior, then maybe you wait), but you're not going to make it to the NFL if you're a college backup, Matt Cassel notwithstanding.
My advice to Peters would be to stick it out this year and try to graduate in 2019, which would give him two years as a potential grad transfer.
That's a good point.
But Peters shouldn't have expected to start this year anyways. Technically Speight should be entering his final year, and 3rd as a starter with Peters backing him up. So unless he is 3rd on the depth chart, then he should stay because he is where he was supposed to be right? Or wait to see how everything shakes out with Patterson leaving/staying and take stock after next spring?
Like I said, he should stay through this year and re-evaluate next year.
But if you would advise that, then you must be assuming he's going to be 1st string next year. Otherwise, if he's ot, and then decides to transfer out next year, he will have lost another year of eligibility. If he is 3rd string by September 1 I think he should get out, settle with a new school, and begin immediately learning the play book, so he will be of use to himself in competing to start at the new school. Waiting one more year leaves him only ONE potential year of playing time at the new school. So I say, in you saying he should stay one more season, you must have it in the back of your mind he will be 1st string next year. Or do you see it another way?
I think it's true for either one of them: whichever finds themselves at 3rd string needs to get out of Michigan by September 1. It doesn't make sense any other way.
Does he have enough accumulated credits now to graduate? Or with summer school, by September 1?
He was 3rd last year and played the biggest snaps of the season...
If your not starting by your third year, your probably not going to see the NFL anyways. Very few ever do. Best to think degree first and then playing football.
Good thing Tom Brady passed on your advice.
The correct person to ask about this is Mr. Peters. For those of you who have had the luxury of meeting him, he clearly runs Brandon Peters Inc. It may make no sense to us fans for him to transfer this year, when all he has to do is finish the year, graduate, and transfer with 2 years of eligibility left. However, if you remember there was some friction last year and I think after multiple sit downs a plan/strategy was in place for BP. If for any reason the coaches deviate from the plan set forth I could see things changing quickly.
With that being said, Pep has always been very high on BP, and worked tirelessly with him over the past couple years. It's hard for me to believe that BP is not at least #2 and most likely still in the running for the starter.
When they pick a number 1 in the fall, it's not like they're going to tell the other guys they suck. They have way too much invested in both Peters and DM. They are going to be in their ears every day, trying to keep them engaged and confident. Not only for the long term good of the program, but because the backup is literally a snap away from going into the game, and as we saw last year the 3rd string guy could also become the guy.
By now the issue with Peters is well known. Harbaugh came right out and said that he had to be more assertive. Peters obviously has heard that message, but will it actually come out of him? A QB has to have some swagger. In fact a guy with guts and less talent is better than a shy guy with all the talent in the world. Exhibit A: Jim Harbaugh his entire career.
I think BP is probably still slightly ahead of DM, but that could change any day.
Ideally, I'd like Michigan to be beating Notre Dame by 30 in the second half so we can see either BP or DM get some quality reps against a decent team ;)
Beating ND at their place handily would be a rare event indeed. I will be there and I am 2-8 in trips to SB. I was unable to go in '06 and '10 when they last won down there. I am hungry for a win so hope you are right.
Peters will be the #2 this year and I expect Shea to go pro and Brandon to be the starter next year. I don’t think transferring makes sense for him without a seriously big “if” that I doubt comes to fruition. He won’t transfer if he’s the backup this year, which he clearly was coming out of sprig ball.
I don't think all three of Peters, McCaffrey, and Milton will finish their college careers here.
Last year, I was pretty sure Speight would be decent, if unspectacular. After Purdue, I was pretty sure O'Korn was answer. After Maryland, I was pretty sure it was Peters.
This year, I'm pretty sure I don't know how to evaluate QB play.