QB's Too Aggressive?
Denard and Tate both have the uncanny knack of giving me a heart attack on 3rd downs. Both of these guys refuse to take the easy 1st down. Maybe it is their aggressiveness that makes them great or maybe they are just reading their keys, but guys please just tuck the ball and get the 1st or dump the 3yd pass and move the chains. They've done it their whole careers, but today was just ridiculous.
Most times they pull it off, but the few that don't just make me sick. I'm hoping it's just youth and understanding game situations, but what an exciting duo.
Do you guys think the same or am I on an island with Brian Griese?
November 6th, 2010 at 11:24 PM ^
Yeah there were many times where Denard could have just taken the 10-15 yard run or dump off to the TE but went deep. Tate the same. On the gross Hemingway TD, Denard had a good 15 yards to just take off and take, he chose to make a highlight reel.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:28 PM ^
I said something along the lines of "runrunRUUUNnoooOOOOyeahhWOOOOOOO!"
November 6th, 2010 at 11:44 PM ^
That's uncanny. That's EXACTLY what I said.
November 7th, 2010 at 1:34 AM ^
hahah my reaction to a T
hell of a throw though
November 6th, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^
were the worst. I was like "DENARD JUST RUN THE BALL" and before I knew it I was celebrating a touchdown pass. I'm really surprised, actually. If you would have asked me at the beginning of the year I would never have thought that I would want Denard to run it instead of throw it, I would have thought it was the other way around. It shows how far he's come as a quarterback.
November 8th, 2010 at 11:21 AM ^
So why were those the worst? I'll take a TD.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:24 PM ^
You don't know how many times I was screaming when both Denard and Tate completely ignored the easy first down or nice yardage by just dumping it in the flat to Webb. Instead they go for the homerun. But hey, both of them made their share of good plays so I'll gladly accept it..for now.
November 7th, 2010 at 12:19 AM ^
is they did the same thing all of last year too - think Denard missing V. Smith at Iowa. About time it got pointed out to them.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:25 PM ^
I think its the lack of experience coming through. They're stubborn young guns, they need time to mature like those Cheez It commercials. I think you'll gradually start to see them hitting their check downs more, and making the smart play. Our offense may lose some explosion at that point, but at least the turnover margin will begin to sway back to the black.
November 7th, 2010 at 1:28 AM ^
Can't wait to hear Denard talk about his 401k in press conferences!
November 6th, 2010 at 11:27 PM ^
comes with experience. They'll get smarter and learn to play the odds as they get a bit older.
All part of the learning process.
Edit: Great minds think alike.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:27 PM ^
to put up 70 points you kinda have to be aggressive..
November 6th, 2010 at 11:28 PM ^
They feel they have to score touchdowns as quickly and often as possible to carry our defense. Plus, they are both young. With a better defense next year, they will learn to be more patient and take what the defense gives.
It happens all the time with young quarterbacks.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:31 PM ^
True, but you hit a check down and get a new set of downs. You can still score.
If you throw a pick trying to make something work, well now your defense is set up to do what they have been doing best, which is play bend and then break football...
November 6th, 2010 at 11:30 PM ^
they should be throwing more to the tight ends. Griese road those bootleg passes to the TEs all the way to the NC (with a lot of help from his defense.)
November 7th, 2010 at 12:16 AM ^
great that when the topic of the 97 championship came up he said he was a very small part of the championship and that they rode the defense: "and a guy named Charles Woodson" to the NC.
Very humble and classy
November 6th, 2010 at 11:30 PM ^
I thought this too especially in OT when Tate was pressing downfield where a TO would absolutely kill us. I thought he got away with a couple throws that could've been picked...
November 6th, 2010 at 11:32 PM ^
It happened enough that it would have been nice to get it corrected during the game. It will be interesting to see the progress in the next three games.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
I agree and think we'll see Denard run a little more when he drops back to pass. I keep thinking there has to be a lot of room on the field with the receivers stretching things out. It's going to happen against Wisconsin or tosu.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:32 PM ^
November 7th, 2010 at 1:15 AM ^
Let's give the man credit - it's really hard to be objecive when you have the huge frickin' National Championship ring on your hand...
(unless that was his Super Bowl ring, which in that case, I retract my statement...)
November 7th, 2010 at 8:51 PM ^
November 6th, 2010 at 11:36 PM ^
November 7th, 2010 at 12:20 AM ^
This.
I get frustrated with Denard on 3rd down when he scrambles and throws on the run. Usually he's got a crease and I wish he'd just tuck it and run up in there. I realize the proper thing is to throw the pass and execute the play, but I just feel like Denard is superman and can do it on the ground.
I guess normally I wouldn't feel so frustrated/anxious about 3rd downs when he throws it, except for the fact that passes get broken up or dropped, Denard running seems to be a much safer option. Bottom line, I actually wish he'd run more if that's possible.
November 6th, 2010 at 11:43 PM ^
The TE's and RB's in the flat, and the bubble screen is there for them a lot. They will realize this with experience and film study. You have to realize how much pressure Denard has to be under to lead his team to TD's. His defense is awful, and doesn't have the benefit of a reliable kicker. Can you imagine how much pressure that has to be to a 19 year old kid, who has made 9 career starts, to know you need TD's damn near every time you get possession of the football?
November 6th, 2010 at 11:53 PM ^
When its 3rd and 5 or less, I say take the TE checkdown and move the chains. It wasn't just today that they declined it. I recall Denard had that same play to Koger for a first down against MSU and passed it up early in the game and it cost us points. I don't mind if they play more aggressive on 1st or 2nd downs, but on 3rd downs just get the 1st down and get another set of downs.
November 7th, 2010 at 12:11 AM ^
I think it's also a function of the play-calling. I seem to remember a drive in the 4th quarter where we ran the ball on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 6, but on 3rd and 2 we went for a deep ball (and it was incomplete). I think that resulted in the FG attempt -- I was pissed.
November 7th, 2010 at 1:09 AM ^
Denard seems to have running room but isn't taking it anymore. On a 3rd and 1 he only had to take a step and he would have had the first. Instead he tried to force a ball. Oh well means he is reading the D and keeping his eyes down field.
November 7th, 2010 at 1:45 AM ^
At the same time, I will take 300+ yards passing from Denard in just 3 quarters of play against a quality defense. The turnovers were painful, but I also think that they really loosened up the defense and kept them on their heels. Hopefully that will prevent defenses in the upcoming weeks from just crowding the line. Denard made Illinois pay in a way that he did not against MSU and Iowa.
On a side note, have the media already decided to give the Heisman to Newton? Some commentators were saying that he basically salted it away by his performance today. He gets huge credit for passing for 300+ against Chattanooga but Denard doesn't get as much love for his performance against Illinois?
November 7th, 2010 at 10:46 AM ^
Denard and Tate both played a whale of a game yesterday. I was particularly pleased with Denard and his growth and maturity as a passer. Some of his throws were simply outstanding. If you add in the easy dropped passes..... he was really 14 for 20 with somelike like 325 yards (conservatively, adding in the dropped passes). And if Roundtree had a little more speed, he would have had 4 touchdown passes.
All of that said, I agree.... sometimes these guys just need to take the easy yardage. I think that will come in time.
November 8th, 2010 at 9:59 AM ^
They're still young. As they mature and the team starts to play more with leads they should settle.