OTish Dantonio has Policy similar to Hoke?
3 star OT Gavin Cupp had his scholarship pulled over the weekend because he visited OSU for their FNL camp.
http://spartanavenue.com/2015/07/25/michigan-state-reportedly-pulls-ot-…
http://www.scout.com/college/michigan-state/story/1566681-breaking-news…
I never liked Hoke's policy but I understand the crowd that likes the "old school" approach.
Who and who?
That no-visit philosophy is inflexible and is a good example of "fear based" thinking and a scarcity mindset. The program fears that the recruit may like elsewhere if he visits elsewhere and decommit as a result.
Strong programs who believe in themselves take the position of "we know the great things that we have and have extended an offer to you. We hope that you take it, however if you do not, we will have other players who are just as good as you or better ready to take your place. We rock."
In fairness, there are only a small handful of programs that can consistently do the "we have other players who are just as good as you or better ready to take your place" thing.
And MSU is not one of them.
It can really disrupt a program when a key recruit they were counting on in a key position walks away late in the game.
If you're not really sure, don't commit. If you commit and keep looking, don't be surprised if the school walks away from you and keeps looking as well.
with our basketball recruiting, we should know how disruptive this kind of thing potentially can be.
I'm not sure he has a huge dislike for Urban Meyer. He just has a huge ego and a need to be a dick to everyone possible at all times.
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So they pulled an offer from a 3-star commit and had a bunch of MAC-level offers. I would like so see a staff pull an offer from 5-star commit with 50-some odd offers from major college powers before I view it as a legitimate hard and fast policy.
Hoke invoked that policy one time with Dawson, then quickly reoffered him and after that little show of power never revoked an offer again, even though there were a slew of UM commits still visiting other programs. And as we saw, Hoke didn't have to revoke an offers, as kids were too busy decommitting.
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This is a little over the top. It's not like he was there on an official visit. He was getting reps from professional coaches. If a kid accepted an academic scholarhsip to MSU then attended a seminar at Eastern Michigan, would MSU pull HIS scholarship? Or if kid was on academic scholarship at Michigan then attended an event at Northwestern while he was in Chicago, would HIS scholarship get pulled? I doubt it.
Seems more like MSU had cooled on him, the kid was sensing it, and this was the excuse MSU needed to revoke his offer.
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What is the relevant distinction between the two?
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get pulled and you're lucky if you don't get booted out of school.
It's a horrible analogy. There are a limited number of scholarships available, and fewer yet at his position. They've now offered someone else they didn't have room for before. Would you really prefer a recruit that's being dishonest with you and is looking for an opportunity to bolt?
I'd prefer a system that puts the players' interests before the coaches. Obviously if this 17-year-old was camping at FNL, he felt that it was in his interest to do so, for whatever reason. Maybe he might want to go to school there, or maybe he was looking for some professional instruction to better himself at his craft. But telling a kid you're going to yank the rug out from under him if he attends a football camp not sanctioned by the university serves the coaches' interests at the expense of the players'.
there from MSU's coaches? That looks like the reason his scholarship was yanked. I'm not sure what that has to do with any kind of system, but other MSU commits have been attending camps. There's nothing unfair about setting some conditions when accepting a commitment. The recruit is certainly free not to accept them. He can also break them at his own risk if he chooses or decommit at any time. Doesn't that sound like the player is in a favorable position?
I'd prefer to attack the system when the coaches are dishonest with a kid, not the other way around. As long as the coaches are honest, the recruits are holding most of the cards.
Hoke's "policy" was exaggerated by the media. They had plenty of recruits visit other schools and stay committed; they only had a problem with recruits who weren't up front with them about it.
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Darian Roseboro took a visit to NC State. Chris Clark went to UNC and had an in-home visit with Texas. Gareon Conley said he would take a visit to OSU a month before he decommitted.
None had their offers pulled.
All three of those players either made it clear they would take visits or took visits, and stayed committed. It wasn't until later on their own accord that they stopped being part of the class.
i think they should think real hard before them commit. you are taking up a place where they could have got some one else.
Fun Fact/Cool Story Bro: My high school art teacher/basketball/softball coach and mentor from high school is Gavin Cupp's aunt. A shame his offer got pulled, the family was pretty pumped and excited about him being a Spartan. Hopefully he lands on his feet and gets another chance at a Power 5 school.
I have no problem with what Dantonio did whatsoever.
I wish commitments were defined as a letter of understanding between the school and the player not just some words on a tiwitter post. It would protect the kids and offer them some perks (within NCAA rules of course) of being part of the program. The schools would benefit by being able to plan their classes a bit better.