OT: Updated Vegas Odds for Tigers World Series
Vegas just released the updated baseball odds for 2012. They show:
Tigers at 14/1 to win the World Series
Tigers at 15/2 to win the American League
(Apologies for lack of link. I'm behind a nasty work naughty filter that prevents betting sites as a category. Perhaps someone can post link)
Weren't the Tigers pre-season favorites to win the World Series -- something like 6:1?
Btw. Today's updated odds show Yankees at the top with 9/2 odds to win WS, Texas at 5/1. Yankees and Rangers are tied at 5/2 to win the American League
Eh, whatever. As long as we stay healthy down the stretch, we'll probably end up with at least a wild card spot. And once we're in the playoffs, anything can happen, especially with Verlander in the rotation.
I'm sorry, but I don't get your reasoning on why we would get a wild card spot. Unless something changes in the second half, nobody in the AL Central is going to get that spot. It's such a weak division that we'll probably need to win it to get to the playoffs. We had been hovering around .500, which is good for 9 games back in the other two divisions. I'm not saying we don't have a shot, but if we win the division then whoever comes in 2nd in the Central doesn't have a great shot at making it either.
We are currently 1.5 games out of the Wild Card spot.
.... proceed with inevitable neg-bombing, but I am a born and bred Yankee fan.
No apologies necessary. Gotta stick with the team you grew up rooting for.
I negged you not for being a Yankee fan, but for adding nothing to this thead other than "Go Yanks".
Go Red Sox! And if we miss the postseason, then go Tigers! Born and bred Boston fan, but I'll cheer for Detroit as long as it doesn't conflict with my Boston fanhood.
We'd like to thank the Red Sox for pretty much just giving our team Youkilis. Zach Stewart is terrible and Brent Lillibridge is a handy utility player who can't really hit (last year was a rather obvious fluke at this point).
Also, when did "almost" losses count in the standings? Guess I missed that new stipulation.
they have beat 6 out of 7 times this season? Leyland haters never cease to amaze me. I can't say I agree with all of Leyland's decisions, but constantly bashing guy who has made a World Series and was two games away from another appearance with the Tigers is ridiculous. Espcially considering the laughing stock this team was prior to his and Dombrowski's arrival. The constant bashing of both, by some negative individuals is mind boggling. Arm-chair managers and GM's acting like they know more than guys who have won a World series title and gone deep in the playoffs mutiple times is truely idiotic.
This is still the same collection of players that won 95 games last year, I am extremely confident that they will win the Central. If they can get Fister straigtened out, and Scherzer continues to be pitch they he has in last couple of starts they have good shot to go deep in the playoffs again. The only team that really scares me is Texas, they are the only team in the league that is truely complete. If the Rangers play their best I don't think anybody in the AL can beat them, hopefully they underperform in the playoffs.
Sorry, but you can't treat baseball like every other sport and give Leyland and Dombrowski "before/after" credit. The fact is, there is no salary cap in MLB and Illitch went from a frugal, uninterested owner to a spending madman right before Leyland's arrival and shortly after DD came to town. Therein lies the main reason for the difference.
Just get to the tournament. This team has two many wholes to address, but they do two things really well: hit for power and stress out opposing pitchers when they are clicking, and Verlander.
We've seen plenty of teams win it all only doing only a couple things well. It's when you are doing them that matters.
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Jeebus, he's getting shelled in the AS game.
Have to make the playoffs first.
you. The reality is that Leyland and the rest of coaching staff were part of a 95 win team, that was two wins away from the World Series last year. Not to mention the World Series apperance in 2006, with a team that was not overly talented. Or could it be the fact that he has a World Series ring from his time with the Marlins, and has led other teams to the playoffs throughout his managing career. So like I said the only people out of touch with reality are Leyland haters such as yourself.. The reality is this team was a joke prior to his and DD's arrival, and has since accomplished more in their tenure than the 10 years prior, combined.
At the end of the day, this is still the same collection of players who won 95 games last year (swap Fielder for Martinez). Anybody jumping ship or looking for scapegoats at the break, when this team is only 3.5 games back can go find another team to cheer for as far as I am concerned. Same people who were being negative for most of last year as well.
Obviously the first half hasn't turned out like people thought it would, but this team is still in a good position to reach the playoffs, and anything can happen from there.
Again, too simplistic. The '97 Marlins were a unique phenomenon in baseball history. It was an extraordinarily talented, high payroll team with a franchise that had no intention of keeping them beyond that year. It was largely a collection of loan players. By the next season they were almost all gone, Leyland was still there and guess what happened? They sucked. If you want to give Leyland credit for just coming to a place with a front office that built a title winner through unconventional and unprecedent short-term means (and for Jose Mesa's blown save in Game 7), go right ahead.
To say the 2006 Tigers were not that talented is also a fallacy. Things they had in '06 they didn't in '05: a healthy Ordonez, Kenny Rogers, three rookie sensations (Verlander, Zumaya, Granderson) on top of a convergence of career seasons from Inge, Thames, Monroe, Robertson and Bonderman. If you are going to again give Leyland the credit for them being in the World Series, I kind of doubt you will give him blame for the team crapping the bed against an 83-win Cardinals team (by far the worst to ever win the World Series).
Among people who know baseball and the direction the game is heading, to follow Jim Leyland's day-to-day decision-making is to not like it. Unfortunately, there will always be people who respond to those criticisms with insipid arguments like "well look what they were like before he was here" without examining the facts that got us where we are.
Um, what facts have you stated? I downvoted you above, but as trolling, not overrated. You haven't said anything more than "Leyland sucks brah, durrrrr." You really just don't know what you're talking about. The team is finally starting to play like we thought they would. The fact that we are above .500 at the ASB is great, especially considering how poorly we were playing just a month ago.
You want to talk about Berry, though? He's hitting .299 with a .416 BABIP. That BABIP is extremely unsustainable, and he's going to really fall back to earth as his BABIP comes back to reality. Oh wait, it's already happening. If you look at his month by month splits, his BA has been .333 in May (44 PAs), .293 in June (96 PAs), and .261 in July (28 PAs). His BABIP each month has been .542, .377, and .375 respectively. It will only continue to go down from there.
Look, I'm a big fan of Berry, he's been a great addition to the team over the past two months. But there's a reason he spent 6.5 years in the minors before playing in the Bigs.
You're disappointed that the Tigers aren't blowing away the Central. We all are, we all expected different things for this year. But we had unrealistic expectations. Peralta, Boesch, and Avila all out-performed themselves last year. Boesch is, in fact, terrible at baseball. We thought differently last year because he showed promise. Avila and Peralta both had career years last year, so it was unrealistic for us to think that they would be able to follow that up. Those were the guys who made the difference last year, because they provided balance in the order.
But there are a lot of positive trends right now: Austin Jackson has been amazing, Cabrera is having another outstanding year, Prince is starting to come around, Verlander has been fantastic, Scherzer has been solidly consistent for the past month, Fister is hopefully 100% healthy, Smyly has been a great surprise, and Porcello has been solid for the past couple of months. We've been terrible, and yet we're 3.5 games out of 1st and only 1.5 games out of the Wild Card.
Please don't respond unless you have numbers to back up your complaining.