OT Tigers: Stop me if you've heard this one before
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Going up againafter tonight. Or maybe I should say going, going, gone. Shouldn't have to give context to the above if you've been watching.
If you are a Tiger fan you have to be praying for Gores, Gilbert, door #3 to buy this team. This franchise has a crisis in leadership at the very top and the foundation DD left is going to detiorate way faster than these guys fix it.
Paying Pelfrey to beat us while watching Sanchez pitch t-ball every other night was the icing on the cake.
April 29th, 2017 at 12:15 AM ^
April 28th, 2017 at 10:32 PM ^
April 29th, 2017 at 12:35 AM ^
April 28th, 2017 at 10:32 PM ^
Yeah the Tigers are in a really bleak position. A lot like the Wings. I can't see any team in Detroit winning a championship for a long time yet.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:51 PM ^
Thats ok - chips all in on Harbaugh.
There are at least some good arms in the rotation to build around. JV could have a few good years left, be the old wizard of the rotation on a rebuilt team, and Fulmer and Norris have a lot of promise.
Hard to see a lineup capable of competing for a title that includes many of the players in it now, though. Our key bats are old. Our young bats are... not there yet. Except for JD, who is probably gone after this year. Maybe a Castellanos or a Jones or an Iglesias develops enough to be an anchor, and Miggy will probably be around for a few years in serviceable (but not dominant) form, but you're basically going to have to rebuild the order from scratch.
That's not a quick turnaround. That's a blow-it-up-around. I mention JV and Miggy, but they might not be able to stay to make this happen.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:48 PM ^
Lions could make the playoffs in the next few years but they are never going to do much more than winning a game in it. All the others are going to be terrible for a while. The Red Wings and Tigers need to get rid of everybody and get new GMs and coaches.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:50 PM ^
April 29th, 2017 at 12:02 AM ^
Sanchez was very good before his injuries. He's clearly done. Cutting him and Pelfrey would be addition by subtraction and it's ridiculous that they are still on the team.
April 29th, 2017 at 12:10 AM ^
I'd have to look closer at the timing and the protocols to draw any conclusion. On the one hand, dopers (which I'm confident are widespread in basically all sports) are good at staying ahead of the testing. On the other, at some point the risk tempts people to quit while they're ahead, which can result in sharp declines.
The most obvious instance, of course, was when MLB instituted drug testing and a bunch of guys lost 20 pounds in the same offseason. I don't remember a lot of major media dot connecting but it was pretty obvious what was going on (one of the guys was Pudge, who was with the Tigers at the time).
JV was accused of this when he declined after a big contract. He has since recovered some of his form, and his decline in velocity doesn't seem unreasonable for an aging player.
Isn't control the major problem, though? Is there a PED that can help that?
Strong work actually paying attention.
Pelfrey was the starting pitcher for the White Sox yesterday (and, of course, actually pitched pretty well). Sanchez comes in as a reliever (mostly in games where we're already losing).
It isn't helping that Iglesia spent 7 days on the DL last week, Miggy is on the 10 day DL, and JD Martinez is still on the DL. Upton also missed a few games a week back with a bruised wrist. Jacoby Jones out with 9 stitches in his lip after he got drilled in the face by a pitch. Lots of injuries hampering hitting and fielding. They're constantly having to change their outfield line up and they're either playing Avila or Hicks at 1st (depending on whether opposing starting pitching is right or left).
April 28th, 2017 at 10:51 PM ^
If you are a Tiger fan you have to be praying for Gores, Gilbert, door #3 to buy this team. This franchise has a crisis in leadership at the very top and the foundation DD left is going to detiorate way faster than these guys fix it.
Gilbert?! He would be the worst owner in sports if not for LeBron James. The guy is huge douchebag. Besides, spending money is not the issue with the Tigers, it's findind a GM that knows how to build an all around team. Avila is basically DD light. The biggest reason this team is a mess right now is DD. The guy could never fix the bullpen and his drafting was god awful. We have one of the worst farm systems in baseball because of him. About the only thing he did right was make trades and use Ilitches check book (kind of like Ken Holland) to sign a bunch of overpaid FA.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:53 PM ^
Spending money is not a problem in Detroit is a concept that very likely died with the old man.
I'd take Gilbert in a heart beat. Don't love the guy but I don't doubt he'd pay for a winner. Chris Illitch? Very less sure.
April 28th, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^
Spend money on what? This team is close to finished and needs to retool or rebuild. The championship window closed a few years ago. Indians have shown how it needs to be done. They'll probably win a World Series soon and they have the #18 payroll in MLB. Ilitch wasted a ton of money on big name free agents instead of hiring a GM that knows how to build a championship team.
April 28th, 2017 at 11:17 PM ^
"The biggest reason this team is a mess right now is DD."
Is an idiotic statement. Full stop. 60% of our starting rotation is in place thanks to the genius of DD.
No, he never built the team through the draft, and thats a gripe. But the Tigers were almost always one of the top 5 teams, sometimes maybe the best, in the league for the better part of his tenure. Right now Avila looks like Rodriguez level incompetence. JZ is on pace to be one of the all time worst signings in baseball history. Upton was a disaster till it stopped mattering last year. Even the janitors knew the Pelfrey signing was stupid. Not to mention everything he's done for the bullpen.
I hate ad hominum attacks on this site but you don't know what you are talking about.
April 29th, 2017 at 12:18 AM ^
While I liked the move downtown, the Pistons are run just as poorly as before he bought the team. They're stuck with two bad contracts which happens to be their two cornerstone players.
April 28th, 2017 at 11:20 PM ^
Tigers season already over. As usual.
3 months to August and football.
Michigan football. College football.
Not crappy Lions and pro football.
April 29th, 2017 at 12:45 AM ^
Is a moron. He shouldn't be anywhere near professional sports. He doesn't share the same drive his mom and dad had to win, it's just a business to him. Avila and Ausmus have no business in the positions they are in, and Holland shouldn't be with the Wings anymore either. These teams are going back to the shit shows they were in the 70's. Time to sell
The Tigers set themselves up to win it all seveal years ago. This is the twilight of an unlucky period where they failed to win a World Series when they had the talent to do so. This was mostly inevitable. If the FO had traded Miggy or Verlander or Kinsler two years ago people would have flipped shit.
It's been tough being a Detroit / Michigan fan for a while now. And the lions lucking their way into the playoffs doesn't count. Although Michigan is starting to turn it around.
The window is presumably closed on the team as composed. Since 2006 they made two World Series and came close (depending upon how you define it) another couple of times. For whatever reason, in both WS the team fell apart after a looooong layoff that was prompted by them playing great baseball in the LCS. Then they couldn't pitch and they couldn't hit.
And they basically lost the LCS to Boston because Joaquim Benoit, who had been pretty good all year, gave up that GS. The bullpen, man. One at-bat.
April 29th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
The tragedy of that grand slam was that Phil Coke was in the bullpen and had been put on the playoff roster for one purpose -pitch to left handed hitters. Ortiz is 2 of 19 lifetime against Coke but yet Leyland let Coke sit and Benoit pitch to Ortiz. Everyone saw the result. The all time worst Leyland decision. I was screaming at my TV as it happened.