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But I have to agree: from a strength of schedule perspective, it's best for U-M if ND wins. So far, Stanford has played a couple of tomato cans, so it's hard to tell if they're really as good as they seem to be. ND has had a pretty tough schedule (we all hope). If they win one against Stanford, that makes our win in South Bend look better.
While Stanford's opponents may have been tomato-can-ish thus far, they have absolutely shitrocked those opponents. Stanford seems to be pretty legit, while ND hasn't shown too much thus far. Even though stupid things happen when teams play at ND, my money would still be on Stanford, probably by about 10.
A bunch of pissed off people in my bankruptcy class on monday.
FWIW, the ND student body received an e-mail entitled "A Call To Arms" from the Leprechaun yesterday, reminding people about a pep rally today. It started as follows:
We are all aware the outcomes of the last two football games have not been favorable; lesser teams and student bodies would be ready to throw in the towel after the last couple of heartbreaking losses we've experienced. Yet your loyalty, determination, and commitment to this team is still unmatched. So I tip my Leprechaun hat to you for your indefatigable Fighting Irish spirit and dedication to this team. That being said, this season is far from over. There is no sign of quit in our football team and I know they are going to go out this weekend and pound on an arrogant Stanford team. This is our house, and we will not surrender another loss on this sacred playing field. It is time to rally as a student body around our fans, coaches, and football team as they prepare to take down the Cardinal.
The line between optimism and delusional arrogance = so, so fine.
The word "indefatigable" is annoying. Too many prefixes.
I always found it hard to pull for M's rivals. While I agree it helps Blue's strength of schedule to have a strong Notre Dame, OSU, etc., when I get my hands on a NCAA Football game on my XBox 360, I can't help but make it my secondary mission to see the Buckeyes (and usually ND as well) crash into a big heap of flames.
I find it a bit easier to root for Harbaugh, even if he has said some things about the RichRod regime that weren't the best natured.
Harbaugh has strongly suggested that, going back to the days of Bo, our program has had little academic integrity. Nice guy.
I'm not much of a Kelly fan either, though, so I'm going to remove my feelings for the coaches and just root for an ND loss so we can gain another game in the all-time standings.
Amen on the rivals comment. I always hope they lose. If we take care of our own business, we won't need to worry about strength of schedule.
I am predicting an incredible TWIS from some more ND fans completely jumping ship and totally vacating everything to do with Kelly and ND football.
Stanford is waay too good for a letdown against Notre Dame. I see Stanford beating them, but not rolling over them. Andrew Luck is a good QB and he's gonna make Notre Dame's defense look silly.
used to like you Jim Harbaugh...
never liked you Notre Dame...
well, I'm conflicted.
Recent history suggests that ND will once again lose in the final minute. Stanford 31-27 on a TD pass by Luck with 20 ticks left.
ND desperately needs to win this game and will jump out to an early lead, but coming off two grueling games they won't have enough left in the tank. Stanford's OL will grind them down in the second half.
Stanford has gone to ND the last 7 times for losses , it appears there is a higher power at work here....ND by 10
yeah, that couldn't be that Stanford sucked for years before Harbaugh got there, or anything. . .
They weren't bad that whole time. That losing streak includes the end of Walsh's tenure and the Willingham years.
In a shocker, Lou Holtz just picked ND to beat Stanford! The delusion...continues.
IMO, Stanford over ND, 34-24.
I think Stanford's offense is too strong for Notre Dame, and their defense has looked better then either of our's or MSU's, so I think they'll win by two touchdowns.
I agree it'd be better for Michigan to have ND win, but I find it impossible to root for them, and strength of schedule is going to have no bearing on what bowl game we end up in since I doubt we'll be in a BCS bowl.
"I agree it'd be better for Michigan to have ND win, but I find it impossible to root for them, and strength of schedule is going to have no bearing on what bowl game we end up in since I doubt we'll be in a BCS bowl."
Good point here. We really don't need to worry about our SoS this year, since we're not in BCS/NC contention. In a couple years, when that's changed, things will be different. For now, let's enjoy Schadenfreude wherever we can find it.
I know I should pull for ND for strength of schedule reasons, but the Schadenfreude that fills my Facebook feed from my ND friends is just too good. Go Cardinal!
You nailed it.
It's all about the schadenfreude.
I think your 31-21 Stanford prediction is spot on. However, I do not share your need to pull for Notre Dame.
Forget the Pac 10 and Stanford. Rooting for ND. Primarily because Stanford's mascot/logo is absurd. Notre Dame however... ahhh, nevermind.
Yeah, maybe, but you gotta love those little pork pie hats the band wears. What is "the Cardinal" anyway?
"The Cardinal" refers to Stanford's school colors, cardinal and white. When Stanford decided to drop their previous nickname (the Stanford Indians) they couldn't reach a consensus on a new nickname, so people just started calling them the Cardinal. I read somewhere that the majority of students wanted to change the nickname to the Stanford Robber Barons in tribute to founder Leland Stanford but the administration shot the proposal down.
Stanford's mascot is one of my all-time favorites. It takes real ingenuity to have your mascot be a tree.
Stanford puts up 45.
Now that they've been mediocre for a significant amount of time, I mean like, A LONG TIME, I've re-evaluated them internally and...well, that's what I'm doing. Before, they used to be this team with a aura, a genuine 'Luck of the Irish' thingy that seemed to destine a happy ending for them, and they came from the enchanted land of South Bend that had a Touchdown Jesus and a Golden Dome. Now they're just another gold helmeted team from a school in northern Indiana that's sorta close to Chicago. I pity the fools! Besides, I caught the tail end of Rudy the other night and I got sentimental. I most certainly don't pull for Stanford, although I am a tree hugger, but I rarely pull for a PAC 10 school ever.
Besides, it looks better for us if the Irish win.
So, Go Irish!
Yeah, ND's offensive line used to hold badly on every play and they would win. Now ND's offensive line holds badly on every play and they lose anyway. Now that is embarrassing.
get mentaly up for this game after their last two losses. Stanford is just a much better football team all around. I don't think this will be close, if it is its because of the damn karma and magical unicorn crap that happens down there.
right when you think it makes sense, it doesn't.
hence, ND 35-31.
"The Hell With Notre Dame." - Bo
If Notre Dame wins, will they give Kelly a 20 year contract extension?
On a more serious note, they will not win. 42-35 Stanford
I think ND pulls off the upset. They have been thisclose the past two weeks, and probably should have won against MSU. Stanford looks like the better team, but I find it hard to imagine this ND team not pulling off at least one big upset this season, and I'm not sure we know just how good this Stanford team really is - yeah they beat WFU, but I'm fairly UMass would have beaten them as well. Just a weird match-up, and while I want to see ND lose from a rivalary perspective, this team looks ready to break out.
The PAC-10 is between Stanford and Oregon this year, methinks. Harbaugh is also a real douche when it comes to running up the score, and I'm sure playing an old rival of his will only motivate him more. Stanford wins big.
Notre Dame is a couple plays from being 3-0, and Stanford--who has looked good but hasn't played anyone--is traveling cross-country. I think this is a pretty good matchup and will be a close, competitive game. I predict ND to win it, something like 34-31.
Notre Dame 19
Stanford will win.
Notre Dame has got to win. It is going to be a real uncomfortable season if they can't get a W this week. Plus, a ND victory makes our win against them more meaningful.
More pain for ND. More Emo faces for BK. Win for everyone not involved with ND.
Stanford wins big I think. I consider Stanford my second favorite team in college football so I'll be rooting for them.
As much as I'm done with Harbaugh, I'd see Stanford as a 14 point favorite at home and an 8-10 point favorite on the road.
I took ND +4.5 today. To sum: I dont see why this wont be like their previous two games: last team with the ball wins. So, I'll take the head start. Another reason I like it is that the line a month ago was ND -1. I think, at worst, for the Irish the outcome lands between initial and current spread.
I'd love to see the Irish put a whuppin' on Jimmy Hairball, but my hunch is that the Cardinal will win comfortably. If that's combined with another miserable UM defensive performance, it will turn up the "fire RR/hire JH" whispering campaign a notch or two.
Stanford looks pretty tight to me. Their coached up pretty good.
On the other hand this is a must win game for Notre Dame. Not that it matters much.
Stanford by 14
And it won't be close . . . .but that's what you get for scheduling a junior college. They let anybody in....
I get the feeling that a significant section of Notre Dame fans would get extra pissy after a loss to Stanford, a pissiness which would please me greatly. Not-yet-distant history (from 1997):
Stanford University officials formally apologized to Notre Dame for what they said were "uncivil and improper" actions. The controversy began during the October 4 game's pre-game and half-time entertainment, when the Stanford marching band said the Irish's "sparse cultural heritage consisted only of fighting, then starving," enraging many Catholics.
The Stanford band has been barred from performing on Notre Dame's South Bend, Ind., campus since 1991 following a similar incident, in which a drum major dressed in a nun's habit used a cross to conduct the band. And Stanford's band is not likely to be playing at Notre Dame "anytime in the next five years," according to Notre Dame spokesperson Dennis Brown. The band has also been banned from playing at Stanford Stadium for the schools' 1999 game.
I look forward to savoring their delicious emo outrage.