OT LOST Finale
Pretty sure it was Michael Emmerson. (He's also narrated most of the previous clips shows.)
I have this crazy thought that Jack somehow is going to destroy the island. I think by him destroying the island he gets rid of MIB and starts the side-world stuff.
Eh. I watched two episodes early on and dismissed it as a soap opera on an island.
My wife, a professor of theatre and a dramaturg (look it up) got hooked, but she's thrown it away in disgust as it "spirals toward the simplistic ending of a morality play."
Morality plays were the vehicle of the early Christian church for teaching the illiterate right from wrong. That seems to sum it up nicely.
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More of a waffles guy, thanks.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with liking a soap opera. No need to get defensive. There's a reason that they've been around since the beginning of television. Morality plays were the shit back in the day. Personally, I occasionally like mindless movies where robots blow up aliens.
I don't pretend that they're anything but a way to kill a couple of hours, though.
See also: "Twilight is literature" and "McDonalds is food."
You're totally right. It was a dick move. I'm pissy about other things and spouted off here. For that, I apologize.
Enjoy your show, and thanks for calling me on it.
Ha! Honestly, I mean no offense, but she was dead on. Score one for the scholar.
The most famous morality play is called Everyman. In the end, it all boils down to how one man makes the passage through life. Everything he faces is allegory.
I recorded the finale for her, as a basis for a paper that is already in work (and has already been invited to several conferences). I watched it in fast-forward, and even at high speed with no sound it was still obvious that Lost came down to the story of Everyman. He (dude with chinstrap) suddenly realized at the end that he had had a choice in seemingly random events the entire time, (gasp) and had decided his fate.
There is nothing new under the sun.
I agree that we will not convince each other.
The reality of academia, however, is what is published. It's not fair or good, but it is equitable. Credibility is gained through prior publication and academic (LSA only) credentials. That's it.
In the final analysis, Lost will be about what the scholars say Lost is about. Popular culture will quickly forget it, and the only precedents will be preserved in the humanities databases. There will be some "fan-lit" papers that clamor for attention, but in the main I think we'll see a comparison to the body of work which will find this effort to be lacking. It will be compared to morality plays (as I've mentioned), right-wing lit and fantasy.
Hi, I have a simple philosophy. I watch things that please me, and that I like. I don't care what other people think. If it makes me happy then I like it. I don't wait for anyone else to tell me whether or not I should like it or what it was that made me like it.
That's an acceptable literary perspective. As a Screen Arts and Cultures student, I can safely say LOST will have it's place in history. It was a thing of its own, a show of its time, and a show that really helped vault the new era of fan participation in television shows.
You actual have to have researched and experienced something to talk about it. Having watched all of it, vs. you, having watched 2 episodes and one fast forwarded, I'd say I have a better basis for understanding. Or even your wife, who admittedly quit on it.
But I'm not sure what academia has to do with anything in the argument. No one is trying to get published first here, especially in publications no one reads.
You're kidding yourself if you think what academic scholars say has any influence on how pop culture is remembered in the world today. It might have had some effect in the days before video (though the old saying history is written by the winners holds true...not the academics), but in the age of video, it's not even close. Most academics don't like a lot of things that prove popular. And it's not like years of writing has made anyone believe Star Wars is less historical than Annie Hall. People judge for themselves. It's old thinking, the same that says newspapers matter, but blogs don't.
It's the arrogant, out of touch nature of academia that makes them so irrelevant. Qualities which you've shown in spades. I'm pretty sure that there isn't anything written by any college professor that's going to be remembered as well as say, Jeff Jensen, at Entertainment Weekly (who has truly chronicled and analyzed the show, in far greater detail than any professor will put the effort towards. Better too, I'm sure). Because, you know what...it's on the internet. Forever. And has been seen by far more people than some peer reviewed publication that's only seen by other scholars because they're forced to subscribe to it at $25 an issue, or whatever the "only way we can afford to print it" rate is. You think over a hundred posts here is a lot for Lost? He's been getting 2,000-3,000 posts per article. His instant reaction tonight has gotten over 1000 in under 2 hours. More than will ever read any papers your wife publishes.
So, you're living in a world where the history is only written by scholars...one where you probably think the news is only reported by news organizations. But similar to both, is they're both dinosaurs, still thinking they're the biggest on the block. But unlike the dinosaurs, people won't even be interested in the fossils.
Bobby waking from his dream and stepping out of the shower.....
Here we go...
Its from Anchorman
What the heck is wrong with the audio? Anyone else having this problem?
I'm in St. Louis watching it on DirecTV... my friends a few houses down who are watching it on cable (Charter) say the same thing is happening. It's terrible.
I am in STL as well, on Charter. Audio kept popping / making weird noises. Really pissed me off..
Word. I was expecting a lot of commercials but this is ridiculous...
Fucking Point Break? Is Locke going to surf the island into the storm and waves?
Who sees a zany sitcom spinoff with a love square of Juliet, Sawyer, Kate, and Jack?
Nobody? Oh well.
Correct. It is the same as it always has been.* The finale was 105 minutes long. That's 70% show, 30% commercial. Normal episodes are about 42 minutes long, which again is 70/30.
*There were no commercials during the last 22 minutes of the finale, so the commercials were frontloaded, which is where the thought that there were more commercials may have came from.
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.
The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.
Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.
That episode didn't answer anything. I think they went through the past 6 seasons just to make me angry. But it does fit the whole LOST schema. Everything is really up for interpretation and can be deliberated about forever.
All of the characters were looking for answers as well. However, in the end it really didn't matter what the answers were, did it?
It was about the journey, relationships, and shared experiences more so than the ultimate destination IMO, and the writers nailed this point exactly.
Best. Show. Ever.
IME
Truth.
Well, I am completely lost.
I clear it up.
Everyone died in Oceanic Flight 815. The world they created on and off the island was for everyone to make their final connections before they move onto their specific form of Heaven/Hell/Vahalla/etc. Notice the symbols of the world religions in the backroom where Christian's coffin was. Christian Shepherd's name alone is a reference to priesthood where the priests, angels help shepherd their flock of souls to their final destination.
This is wrong. The island WAS real. They all lived that. Notice how his dad says they all died at different times than Jack? Some before (the ones on the island that died), some after (Sawyer, Kate, Miles), and some long after (Hurley and Ben as the new Jacob/Richard). Also note how Hurley said Ben was a great number 2 and Ben said Hurley was a great 1? That's because they lived out those roles on the island. The island was real, the sideverse was not.
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