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December 28th, 2021 at 9:05 AM ^

Tommy Rees appears to be doing pretty well for himself as a coach. He's 30 and has been Notre Dame's OC for 2 pretty decent seasons. He was in the NFL for (literally) 1 offseason week, so he doesn't help ND win that argument, but dude appears to have made some better career decisions than I did when I was his age.

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Msmittakins

December 28th, 2021 at 2:23 AM ^

Dude, TB is the greatest story in modern football, because of how unlikely he was to succeed, and if it weren’t for that, UM very well might be in NDs shoes. My belief is that UM should be sending a QB to the NFL first 3 rounds every four years or so. It seems like that could change in the near future. But, to compare this to Jordan? UM hasn’t exactly been recruiting elite QBs since Henne, and those are a crapshoot to become NFL starting caliber. I could be wrong, but Jordan was probably elite out of high school. My point stands sir! Lol 

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MaizeBlueA2

December 28th, 2021 at 7:29 AM ^

For the record, Jordan was "elite" out of HS by HS basketball standards.

He wasn't "elite" by all-time basketball standards like say, LeBron was coming out of HS.

Jordan was like getting a top 5*. But no different than Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs, Emoni Bates  or a Cole Anthony.

LeBon had no business going to college other than a true education. He could've played in the NBA as a HS Junior.

A lot of that is the physical difference, but his game was more developed than Jordan's as well.

However, after 3 years of Dean Smith, and more development. Jordan obviously caught up to LeBron in terms of overall talent. In fact, Dean probably held him back towards the end of his college career.

Jordan's progression from his senior year of HS to the 92 Dream Team is unreal. That's when, if you had a talent meter...he catches and passes LeBron.

Although LeBron got better during the same lifestage, Jordan went to college for 3 years. But if you look at Jordan in year 5 or 6 (+ the 3 years in college) and look at LeBron in years 9 8 or 9...you might be looking at peak Jordan and peak LeBron.

After that, you all can debate, but to watch the trajectory of it all is kind of interesting to me.

Go back and look at both guys and their numbers when they were 25. Unreal how good they were. Then look at where they were in their careers. Jordan was going through the Pistons years, on the cusp. LeBron was going through the Celtics years, on the cusp.

The numbers for both take a slight dip as they both begin to win championships.  But I'd argue the best version of both players was the year they won their first ring. Jordan was INCREDIBLE, but those Pistons years made him rebuild his body, get stronger, and he was unstoppable.  LeBron has the awkward first year with the Heat as the villan and the ugly exit in the Finals, he refocused, rebuilt everything, and came back in year 2 on a completely different level.

Again, not getting into the debate...just wish Bron's greatness was appreciated like Jordan's was (even in the moment). This stuff is not normal, these guys are UNREAL talents.

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Phaedrus

December 28th, 2021 at 9:21 AM ^

My belief is that UM should be sending a QB to the NFL first 3 rounds every four years or so. 
 

Alabama just got to the point where they do that. Oklahoma is the only other example I can think of, and that’s because of their pass-happy system.

These are the impossible expectations of Michigan fans. You’re basically saying you think we should be head and shoulders above any program in the history of college football even though we haven’t won a championship in 25 years. 

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Msmittakins

December 28th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^

I understand what you’re saying, but UM went from having TB, Henson (especially if he stayed), Navarre (late round but drafted), Henne, Mallet (probably a top 2 round QB if he stayed; still was at Arkansas), and then they went on an odyssey for over a decade.
 

I think it took Harbaugh a bit to adjust to the modern CFB game (which I can understand because he literally jumped back in late after the NFL), but I think UM is at a good point, and I think the expectation is that QBs at the very least get developed and drafted moving forward. The ceiling is top 3 rounds every four years or so. With the QBs on roster and the kids coming out of Michigan i.e. Moore, Carr and I believe a really good ‘24 kid, I don’t see this as a long shot or unreasonable. 

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Walmart Wolverine

December 28th, 2021 at 8:44 AM ^

Hate to say it, but if not for TB and Chad Henne (Carr era Qbs) UM would be in the same boat. 

I get where you are coming from but I don't much like this comparison either.  Notre Dame has a long history of failing to put high quality QBs in the NFL, going back to  - I dunno - Mirer?  Buerlein?

UM has a long string of quality QBs stretching back to Harbaugh, and including Grbac, Collins, and Griese. 

Yes, agreed.  Since Henne the landscape has been barren, which also corresponds with Lloyd's retirement.  Hopefully with Cade we start to see a change.

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Harlans Haze

December 28th, 2021 at 11:43 AM ^

Those were reasonable expectations 20-30 years ago. It doesn't mean UM fans should lower expectations for winning games now, but the way they go about it is going to be different. Just look at where QBs come from in the NFL in week 16, through injuries or not...Old Dominion (Heincke), A&M (Tannehill), BC (Ryan), NDSU (Wentz), Arizona (Foles), Texas Tech (Mahomes), Wyoming (Allen), Eastern Illinois (Garoppolo), Miss St (Prescott). This coming week, there will probably be as many QBs from Big Sky country (geographic area, not conference) Allen, Wentz, Lance as from Big 10, Brady, Cousins, Wilson (not counting Burrow). I hope all starting UM QBs get a shot at the NFL, but the days of Grbac to Collins to Griese to Brady to Henson to Navarre to Henne are probably long gone. It appears Alabama is in the midst of a similar run. 5-10 years from now, it will be another school. 

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Imjesayin

December 28th, 2021 at 12:57 AM ^

I read on Twitter where someone claimed the losses were as follows: "4 straight losses from Quinn in 2012 after Week 13 4 straight losses from Jimmy Clausen between 2014-15 15 straight losses from DeShone Kizer in 2017 Total of 23 straight losses from Notre Dame QBs in the NFL."

 

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