OT: Big 12 officials commemorate 25th anniversary of "5th Down" with another debacle
SIAP as I have not seen this mentioned anywhere, but wow, just wow; what officiating incompetence. And, on the same week 25 years ago as Colorado's gifted 5th down vs. Mizzou.
See here (video in article):
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/oklahoma-st--apparently…
Or here:
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2015/10/3/9447707/outrageous-officiating-…
October 5th, 2015 at 5:45 PM ^
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October 5th, 2015 at 5:51 PM ^
How does nobody on the Kansas State sideline figure this out?
October 5th, 2015 at 5:58 PM ^
Bill Snyder said in his press conference that he could not remember exactly what it was. I have a lot of respect for Coach Snyder, but...yikes:
October 5th, 2015 at 5:58 PM ^
Still remember this well. If an egregious mistake like this won't be overturned, then nothing gets overturned.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:08 PM ^
October 5th, 2015 at 7:35 PM ^
That event and how it was later handled by Bill McCartney, as well as all of the other scandals around the Colorado program while under the tutelage of McCartney and later Gary Barnett, put them right at the top as being one of the dirtiest of all time.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:57 PM ^
Why isn't the replay official watching this and buzzing down to the guys on the field stopping play and telling them they are f***ing up? I just don't get it.
I understand that being a ref is hard. But is it realy that hard to sit in the booth and make sure no one is majorly f***ing up?
Replay has convinced me more than anything that the problem isn't the speed of the game. It's the people they have doing the job.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:05 PM ^
there are plenty of coaches getting paid millions of dollars to count to four. it ain't that hard. at a minimum the O Coordinator should know the down and distance before each play call.
refs are at fault but are not infallable.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:39 PM ^
I thought it was pretty simple too, but watching the video I linked to, you see the chain crew was focused on a guy having a heart attack on the sidelines, and it was the first year a QB could stop the clock by spiking it so there was confusion among officials and coaches.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^
Not dismissing this thought by any means but offenses run what 60-80 plays a game? That's like 15-20 1 thru 3 or 4's they have to count. In the heat of the moment that is pretty easy to get mixed up in my book.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:26 PM ^
I'm also curious as to who gave the instruction to the chain crew to move the sticks up five yards. There are only a few circumstances for which the chains get moved backwards, so that should have been a huge red flag to everyone on the sideline.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^
Originally it was 1st&10 from the 44. Line to gain is the 34.
Ater the hold you can see on 1st & 20 that the original LOS was moved to the 50 and the line to gain is the 40. (You can barely see the sticks at the top of the screen)
So the screw up isn't quite what people think. They weren't awarded a 1st down on 4th & 4, the officials for some reason moved the line to gain to the 40 after the 1st&10 holding call.
I don't know why the chain gang moved at all. They should've held. I don't know how both sides of the field could screw that one up
October 5th, 2015 at 7:01 PM ^
Seems like the guys with the sticks moved off their spot as soon as the receiver came down with the pass on first down, and got (extremely) confused. It still took 3 mistakes--
(1) The refs moved the ball from the 44 to the 50 on the penalty (6 yards for holding).
(2) The stick crews on both sides of the field set up with the original LOS on the 50, and the line to gain on the 40.
(3) Even ignoring whether they were spotted correctly or not, everybody let the sticks set up for 1st-and-10, when it was actually 1st-and-20.
Any one of those 3 mistakes is inexplicable--all 3 of them happening at once is essentially impossible, except it happened.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:22 PM ^
Well, the ball really originally was at the 44.8 and got moved to the 49.9. They basically walked off 5 yards it seems. I imagine the chain gang (one side or both) incorrectly moved downfield right after the catch or perhaps more likely another ref gave them the first down 'bring it forward' wave. At that point all the guys on the chain gang lose their spot and guess(?) where it was? I'm surprised no one on the KSU sideline caught it and challenged it or called time out
And re:(3) the sticks actually lined up like it was 1st & 15. How no one noticed that is pretty amazing.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^
As Stu Daco asked above, who gave the instruction to move the yard-to-gain marker up 5 yards?
October 5th, 2015 at 6:52 PM ^
October 6th, 2015 at 10:42 AM ^
They were booing their heads off at the end of that game. One for the 5 downs and two that it was even borderline that Johnson even broke the plane of the endzone.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:51 PM ^
Thus, when Illinois ran what they thought was its third down play, the chain gang said they actually went for it on 4th and Illinois ended up with a turnover on downs.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:57 PM ^
You know, in a lot of other places in the world, re-enacting the 25th anniversary of an event like this might actually be interesting, even reverent in some way. In football, especially football officiating, it's probably best not to do this....ever. After watching that video in the KSU blog article, I cannot believe no one caught this as there were so many chances to stop what was going on, it seemed.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:37 PM ^
but that's why it's not down to one guy to keep track of it all. College officiating is unfortunately not as professional as you'd like given the stakes these days.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:07 PM ^
that happens in virtually every game, every weekend:
1) First down resulting in a holding penalty, now 1st and 20.
2) 1st and 20 (loss of 7)
3) Now 2nd and 27 (gain of 4)
4) Now 3rd and 23 (gain of 19)
5) Now 4th and 4.....
THE problem is that someone decided to move the 1st down marker (should have been on the KSU 34.5) to the 39.5, thereby awarding Ok St. a 1st down on the 3rd down gain of 19 when it should have been 4th and 4.
Not that complicated.
Ha Ha. And the Big 12 continues to stumble, misspelling the words "accuracy" and "mistakenly" in their press release where they admit they were not accurate and that they did make mistakes:
October 6th, 2015 at 12:21 AM ^
this morning off FS1 replay, probably on later this week, because of Texas fans conspiracy theories.
It was a very big mistake that sort of went by without anyone even noticeing. I didn't notice myself. My guess is on the previous play OkSt completed a long pass and the sideline guys probably picked up their shit and moved prematurely, then they called the play back for a hold. For whatever reason they simply put the yard sticks in the wrong place. Yet, no one seems to be raising a protest on the KSU sideline.
Ends up being a big moment in a tight game. Careless mistake by the refs, but not conspiracy worthy.
October 6th, 2015 at 1:24 AM ^
That about sums it up, though it still would be interesting to see if Bill Snyder could remember what was discussed on the sideline.
October 6th, 2015 at 10:18 AM ^
This will always rankle. We have to share our 1990 national championship with a team that had a tie, AND a loss, AND a win in which they got an extra down to win, AND a win in which the other team beat themselves (ND clipping penalty on Rocket punt return in Orange Bowl). Stupid.