OSU Snowflakes - The Coaching
November 30th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Fire them ALL !!!!!
November 30th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
Michigan admin needs to ask itself if it’s okay with losing to OSU every year. If it is, then keep Harbaugh and how things are. If it isn’t, then time to move on if he doesn’t get it done after 2020 with a new DC.
OSU fired Cooper and landed Tressel. It can be done. Hell we got Howard after Beilein left.
Gotta sack up.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:57 PM ^
2019 is not 1969,
brain farts are not discipline,
and Jim is not Bo.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:10 PM ^
And 2019 is 1989, and Bo hasn't been a coach in 20 years. Tired of that being the gold standard for Michigan.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:47 PM ^
I'm no fan of Bo being the gold standard, either--but I'd sure enjoy one upset win against OSU . . . .
November 30th, 2019 at 10:53 PM ^
i think you mean 30 years but i get the point
November 30th, 2019 at 5:09 PM ^
Yes, let's fire Harbaugh and get another Hoke. This is stupid. OSU has recruiting advantages that we do not have. Unless Urban or Bil Belichick are walking through the door, we don't need a new coach.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:17 PM ^
What are the advantages? A better in-state pool, yes, but they get more out of state players than ever now. The advantages are not as great as the perception is. They have just been a much more competent program the last couple decades.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:07 PM ^
Yeah, imo they started by winning and over time they started to get better recruits.
I guess we will settle for losing to them every year.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
Ohio State has not had a drop off in recruiting since the Cooper era. Tressel came in and recruited well. Fickle was a 1-year interim, and they hired a 2x NC guy.
For UM to compete with OSU, the only way besides sticking with Harbaugh to improve the recruiting would be to cheat or to get Saban, Meyer, or Bill B or Sean Payton. Let’s not cheat. The first two coaches would always be non-starters. The third and fourth are never happening.
Harbaugh is the head coach, and he can continue to build this team. There are very few coaches who can improve Michigan from where they are, and unless you have that person—you don’t change the coach just because fans are disappointed.
The focus should be on changing the defensive system and then playing the 4 and 5 star recruits early as starters and rotational players.
Brown and company stick too much to upperclassmen who show better technique than to actual playmakers. We never got to see Hinton against any BIG team like Wisconsin. Mazi? Beyond scheme, where was the defensive line?
Shit, they left Dax and McGrone out of games until injuries. Then McGrone proves himself on the field. Playcalling has been bad, but so has personnel decisions. So has our base D formations. I’m tired of the Viper. Hudson should’ve been at safety, Metellus should’ve been on bench. We should’ve had Ross and McGrone and Paye in at LB.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:32 AM ^
What are the advantages you ask?....$$$$$$$$$$$$$
December 2nd, 2019 at 12:03 AM ^
Landing the best Free Agent football coach immediately coming out of scandal will generally do that for a decent-to-good program.
Hopefully, they turn into Post-Urban Florida at some point.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:22 PM ^
The better question as if they want to win. Do they want to give out family friends loans? You want to win give up your self righteous bullshit. If not fucking quit crying.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:28 PM ^
The younger generation of Michigan fans don’t give 2 shits about paying players. Idc about paying players.
It’s the old fucks who care and it’s their fault this program is a shell of itself.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:28 PM ^
lmao @ "the old fucks". You're probably right though. Morality has to be thrown to the wind. TIme to play the game as everyone else does. Gotta get your hands dirty. Who gives a flying fuck about moral wins. We need to be able to brag on our football team.
November 30th, 2019 at 7:32 PM ^
I'd be on your side if I thought there was one single thing morally or ethically wrong with giving kids money to come to your school. But there isn't. Just because the NCAA says there is doesn't make it so. There is zero harmed parties in that transaction
December 1st, 2019 at 4:03 AM ^
Actually, Michigan is the harmed party in all of the payments made to elite players on OSU’s roster.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:11 PM ^
Has Ed Martin been paying OSU players?
December 1st, 2019 at 5:57 PM ^
Has Ed Martin been paying OSU players?
December 1st, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^
Well that is not true. The IRS is harmed because no one is paying taxes - on ether the player income or the giver’s gift tax.
Tax fraud is not something UM is going to risk. Those are criminal offenses. Ask Louisville or Kansas how jail time might feel.
November 30th, 2019 at 10:21 PM ^
So all we need to do is get the old fuckers to sign the bagman petition and the football department will start buying players? I didn’t realize that was the hold up.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:33 AM ^
@Thecube I’m a millennial aka stand the fuck up!!!! Pay them already!!!!!!!!
December 1st, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^
You're a millennial and an FSU Bulldog, according to your username.
I'm Gen X and a Muchigan alumnus, according to my birth certificate and diploma.
Currently it is illegal to pay the players. You can advocate circumventing the rules for your school at the top of your lungs, if that's how you want your alma mater to behave and be perceived. I don't want the school that I love and graduated from to do so . I believe in the Michigan Difference. I believe our academic standing, athletic accomplishments and reputation should continue to be paramount. I believe our student athletes should be exactly that.
However, once players are allowed to take advantage of NIL opportunities, load up the money cannons and fire away. Until that happens though, I'd rather lose every MFing game than sink to the level of the ESS EEE CEEs of the world.
So go fuck with your own school's morality as much as you want, or go find a different team to root for, but leave my Michigan out of it.
P.S. Kindly get off my lawn
December 1st, 2019 at 9:53 AM ^
So you are under the impression that UofM is squeaky clean in recruiting and player retention? I'm not an alum and my opinion doesn't matter but unless Michigan is 100% clean, what is the point in sitting on an false soap box?
December 1st, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^
I think there's a difference between following the rules most of the time with occasional lapses/people circumventing it, and flagrant, remorseless riding roughshod over them from the top down.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^
^This
December 1st, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^
You know, I'm Gen X, but recently those that decide these things have reclassified me as a Xennial. I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm not an alumnus of Michigan. I'm but a simple Ironworker who has proudly built many structures for, what I believe, is the greatest University in the world because of its prestige, honor, and integrity.
The University of Michigan makes a difference in our State, Nation, and the world. I enjoy the diverse Division 1 athletic program too.
Because of the respect I have for this institution, which I have bled for literally if not actually attended, I would never really want it to do the shady stuff other schools do. But as part of the same fan base you are, one of two things need to happen.
We either need to embrace our just outside the top, Wisconsin like status or demand the University of Michigan to embrace change like a leader should.
Michigan can institute academic areas of study for sports. Maybe even with slightly more lenient academic requirements. The power of the University and its wealthy athletic department can lead FBS into a new era of legitimately paid players. Use its resources to lobby for this privlege for student athletes and level the playing field with the bagmen down south. Aim the money cannon at the recruits in a legal, honorable way with integrity.
I plan on donating heavily to this University on my demise regardless of football. But if the football program wants my money, they need to be the leaders and the best as college football heads toward the inevitability of pay to play.
Just my two cents.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^
Regardless of your lack of a Michigan diploma (and generational designation), you Sir, are a true Michigan Man.
December 2nd, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^
"The University of Michigan makes a difference in our State, Nation, and the world. I enjoy the diverse Division 1 athletic program too."
With respect, the same can be said of all of the teams of the Big Ten. Michigan is not alone.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^
Or you mean having ethics and following the rules correctly?
November 30th, 2019 at 10:42 PM ^
I don’t think Harbaugh deserves to stay any more than Brown does. I’m sick of the “we need a new XX coordinator” rhetoric. We’ve churned through coordinators, we still have the same root problems. Harbaugh is the head coach making the big money, he’s the captain of the ship, the CEO, the failures are on him.
that being said, I just don’t think a coaching search is a great idea unless we have someone lined up already. Remember the last 3 coaching searches? Great prospects weren’t exactly lining up. It’s cold here, hard to recruit here, and more academic standards than some schools. Our only hope would be to take a chance on the next PJ Fleck. Pick your poison I guess.
December 1st, 2019 at 12:46 AM ^
Again it’s the recruiting, not the coaches. OSU kicks Michigan’s ass with better athletes. There is nothing Harbaugh can do when OSU is bigger, better, and faster.
December 1st, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
MSU has beaten them...twice.
explain that.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:58 PM ^
Was Tressel really great...or did he just start cheating?
November 30th, 2019 at 7:05 PM ^
So who are you going to hire?
Can’t be Urban, all the self righteous fans will lose there minds.
PJ? Frames? Bert? Chris Peterson?
None of those guys are coming here. This program got so ass fucked by the combination of Lloyd, RR and Hoke I don’t think there is an answer.
Maybe if the fan base and the Regents would get out of the way of progress things might work out.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:25 PM ^
Ohio State just hired their OC after one year there because he made Indiana’s offense the best in the Big 10 as OC before that.
Michigan fans need to stop looking for guys who are quote unquote “accomplished” and start trying to identify the next guy at a place like San Diego who is on the way up. This hiring a big name after everyone’s started to figure out his shit and you only get his decline is for the birds.
November 30th, 2019 at 9:48 PM ^
A rational Blue fan! Nice... keep up the wishful thinking. :>)
November 30th, 2019 at 9:48 PM ^
A rational Blue fan! Nice... keep up the wishful thinking. :>)
November 30th, 2019 at 9:48 PM ^
A rational Blue fan! Nice... keep up the wishful thinking. :>)
November 30th, 2019 at 10:27 PM ^
Ryan Day isn’t from IU. Day was a QB coach with Chip Kelly in the NFL and spent time at BC and Temple . He was OC at OSU for 2 years before Meyer anointed him. Meyer found him, not their AD or a stupid search committee of rich boosters and former players.
Kevin Wilson, their OC was HC from IU and before that OU’s coordinator.
We hired Gattis who is a legit up and comer. Should we promote him?
November 30th, 2019 at 10:43 PM ^
Shit you’re right I got him confused with Wilson. My bad.
Still, Ohio and Oklahoma gave the keys to guys who nobody would have claimed had the “resume” to be their HC but they identified them as a excellent coaches and brought them in before making a move. Dang near every successful Oklahoma coach that’s ever been was somebody’s coordinator before he got the gig there, and they’ve won more games since WW2 than anyone.
November 30th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Overpaid
November 30th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
I loved the fake 2 point conversion/shift to missed extra point to start the game. What exactly was that supposed to accomplish?
November 30th, 2019 at 5:01 PM ^
Wildcat is dumb
on 4th and one--
'cause they know what you're going to do . . . .
November 30th, 2019 at 8:08 PM ^
If RB follows pulling #74, he finds a wide open hole.
November 30th, 2019 at 5:02 PM ^
Obviously it prevented a block, duh
November 30th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
We are no closer to competing with Ohio State than we were at the start of the Harbaugh regime.
And next season looks no different.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^
Harbaugh, as head coach of Michigan, is a failure. John Cooper had more success against UM than Harbaugh against OSU.
November 30th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
I'd actually say we are further away now then at the beginning of the Harbaugh era. I don't know what Hoke did, but he got his teams to play against OSU and the games were usually close. Harbaugh's closest games against OSU were with Hoke recruits. Now that the program is pretty much all Harbaugh's, they just get blown out every year.
November 30th, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^
That's because they're at levels that neither program has ever been at in the history of their programs. Once people accept that fact it'll be a lot easier