This is the year that I really thought Izzo would take a chance on a SG from Iron Mountain. He has plenty of room in this class, and it would make a compelling storyline for the TV producer-types.
Izzo lands his second recuit of the 2013 class
Well, they only lose one player though, so the class wasn't going to be big to begin with.
He is still deciding and I beleive today is the deadline
I think it's time to give up on this joke.
Fuck Michigan State . . .
They went all in on Jabari Parker and lost out to Duke.
They had an in-season transfer, so adding the second commit is not a surprise. Adding a commit that was originally a Minny signed isn't exactly stealing commits from Middle Tennessee State
Who is "they"?
I also thought they were "all in" on Parker because that was the only name I ever heard associated with MSU. Granted I don't really follow basketball recruiting (ours included) so I don't know if they had offered anyone else or were looking at anyone else, but it seems like that scholarship plus the transfer they had (mentioned above, don't know who it was) down the road would make for two possible scholarships. If that was the order then it makes sense why they suddenly had two available and then had to make a late season push to lure kids away from other, vulnerable programs like Minnesota.
however part of his success was due to a weak Michigan & IU. The ascension of both schools are going to gouge into izzo's recuriting base.
Izzo's easy time at EL is OVER.
Not only IU and UM are back to the top, they win by high power offense and let freshmen play.
You saying "Izzo's time at EL is over" is the same as RCMBers saying "scUM had a lucky run in the tournament and once McGump and GR3 leave, they'll be right back at the bottom of the B1G"
There is enough talent for all the programs to succeed, especially if UM and IU start getting more national recruits.
Definitely agree. And even if it means the occasional loss (to a good program), it makes for a way more interesting season for the entire conference.
Izzo doesn't recruit PGs. He prefers taking SGs and converting them to PGs. True, sometimes the offense sputters and they have a high amount of turnovers, but who are we to question Izzo.
I agree with Izzo, recruiting PGs is stupid.
Trey Burke - NCAA Player of the Year
after losing THJ, we could use another 2 guard.
and we already have Derrick Walton
It's only one class, I wouldn't call it a decline, he was all in for Parker and missed out to duke.
Lets not let this past Final Four run cloud our judgement and basically make us MSU Football fans. Izzo is and will remain one of the top 5 coaches in te country. His track record speaks for itself and his teams are consistent contenders to go deep in the tourney every year.
This class is void of big names because it is small and they did indeed go all in on Parker. Say what you want, but Izzo IS going to make another serious FF run before his career is over and his team next year will most likely be a national title contender, possibly favorite if KY doesn't have something to say about it.
Our program is in the rise, no doubt - but lets not act like Izzo is on a significant down trend or anything. He is getting up there and may have lost a little magic, but still a top coach who will continue to field good teams.
Izzo's style is going to continue to win games as long as he is coaching. Same with Bo Ryan, that is until they start calling fouls in the B10 the way they do in the ACC.
I disagree with this title talk I've been hearing about state, if Payne leaves, and waiting this long might be a sign, their starting 5 is:
Gary Harris - Very Good
Appling - Overrated
Branden Dawson? - Good, not great. Weaknesses include first name spelling.
They have NO quality size at the 4 or 5 if Payne leaves. And Izzo's system requires a big, bruising dude with a soft touch around the net. As much as MSU fans despise him, Mitch would have fit in Izzo's style perfectly.
I think with another year under his belt you can expect more than "very good." And if Payne comes back too, then that's a really good team. Sure IF he leaves they take a hit. But yeah, if Burke had stayed we'd be a better team too.
Thank you for being sane.
I would look out for MSU on the 2014 trail. They could hit the jackpot with a UK-lite type of class or fall short of that, but still reel in a couple of studs, Cliffy Alexander the most likely, or they could totally get pantsed and strike out entirely. 2014 is a make or break kind of class for them, especially if the B10 remains as strong as it is
They also brought in a couple of 3stars in 2005. I hope it is a trend that continues. Recruits have pretty short memories. Lot of weight on Appling's shoulders to advance past the Sweet 16 this year.
but I noticed we offered 4* QB Will Ulmer within the last day or so.
What should I make out of this? Depth? He's a dual-threat QB and 247 reports a 4.31 40.
Probably a project/athlete type who can be plugged in multiple areas if needed. The next Antonio Bass maybe.
EDIT: FYI, info from another board is that he has not been offered.
Touch the Banner reported an offer as did Rivals. Thanks for the info.
247 also had him as offered but they said was a mistake and it has been changed. Not sure who is correct but he is not a QB prospect for Michigan, extremely athletic according to 247 though.
I have been saying this for awhile now. Tom Izzo made his reputation on Michigan's troubles. For 10-15 years, he had instate and regional recruiting to himself, and the Detroit and Flint areas used to be gold mines for basketball players. If Michigan and Sparty both wanted someone, all Izzo had to do was walk in, look at the parents, say "Fab Five Scandal," and walk out with a new player. Also, Michigan had let their facilities rot.
Now, Izzo not only has to recruit on even terms with Michigan, but he is recruiting an area that has suffered so much from the economy that there aren't nearly as many good players left. The populations of his major recruiting towns have declined, taking some good players out of the "mix."
Tom Izzo is proving that he never was as great as the media has tried to portray, but more of a Jud Heathcote v2: decent, but not great. He may be fooling the media, but the NBA apparently isn't fooled anymore. Izzo's market value has slipped so badly as a result of playing on a level field that he didn't even get an offer from the Cavs this time when their job opened up.
Lately, especially this year, there is a new element that may make it even worse for Izzo: the gradual erosion and vilification of "fiery" coaches. Coaches are going to have to be more like Beilein and less like Izzo, or the kids aren't going to go there and play.
Is Izzo a very good coach? Yes, but he isn't a great one, and he has to work a lot harder to build a team now. I would say "good luck with that," but I can't, even in sarcasm, wish good fortune to someone who climbed to the top solely through his ability to negative recruit against Michigan.
no doubt helped Izzo (and btw- it was an Ed Martin scandal, not a Fab 5 scandal), I think you are way understating Izzo's accomplishments. The guy bugs me too, but his record speaks for itself. He has 5 or 6 final fours and an NC. Not many coaches in history can say that.
again, Izzo benefitted greatly, but I don't see how anyone can argue with the results.
Izzo's 2005 and 2010 teams made the Final Four as #5 seeds. He's a good coach.
By the time March rolled around, not much of it. You're playing highly rated teams nationally and you can be paired up against anyone. Like them or not, they did beat 1-seeds as well as lower-ranked seeds, so their ability to beat anyone and advance to X Final Fours and X championship games is still an accomoplishment.
Izzo is way better than Heathcote. Heathcote won ~53% of his B1G games and won exactly half of them if we exclude tthe 2 years with Magic. Izzo has won like 70% of his B1G games and while Michigan's troubles certainly helped him build MSU up he's still way above the level they were at before. Even now, with us on the rise they are a top 10-15 caliber team. You're either shortchanging Izzo or else forgetting how much mediocrity Sparty had under Heathcote. Probably the latter. In the 80s Heathcote's Big 10 record was better than 10-8 just 1 time in 10 seasons and they went 6-12 or worse for 5 of those 10 seasons. There was a lot of bad Sparty basketball in between Magic and Mateen Cleaves.
He had one scholarship and put all of his eggs in the Jabari Parker basket. Missed there so took a chance on a Top 150 3 star that most teams would welcome. Offering Ellis, a former Minnesota commit, isn't a stretch either. Though I do wonder if it means Payne is gone bc he hypothetically doesn't have any room.
MSU is in the mix for studs in every class. We're back but they aren't going anywhere.
lets keep in mind they almost landed jabari parker
"almost" means nothing. You either get them or you don't.
but we're naive and/or delusional if we think somehow MSU basketball is going to fade into the shadows. MSU basketball != MSU football. Tom Izzo is still one of the best coaches in the country
I would be a little concerned. This class consists of two 3 stars. They don't have a true point guard. The deep tournament runs are fading in the past. After next season, Payne, Harris and Appling will all be gone.
According to Rivals, lotto pick Trey Burke was only a 3 star. Talent can come from anywhere.
.... ah crap, did I just start a "stars" argument? Sorry everyone.
But Burke wasn't an end-of-the-season pickup either. He committed to us as a junior and signed that fall.
I don't think Izzo and MSU are on the decline although I certainly think that things are more competitive now. I think what Izzo really did was take advantage of a lull when we were down, Indiana was no longer able to get top guys under Knight, OSU was not as good as they are with Matta etc. Had that very successful 3 year period from 99-01. The competition is better now and they won't have a run like that again. But they can still be a good team/program.
As you look at their roster though, you see a real good team next year. But I don't see much after 2014. Payne and Appling will be gone. Probably Harris goes pro after next year as he can be in the lottery. Dawson may turn into a scorer but besides that I don't know that guys like Trice, Valentine, Costello, Guana, Byrd etc have really shown much. Then these other 2 new guys who were clearly Izzo's plan B. They're young and they'll develop but their freshmen and sophomore and recruits don't catch your eye and make you think they will ever be first team all-B1G or anything. On the one hand, you can play young guys right away and reload quickly these days, as our team shows, but looking at their roster it also looks like their talent necessitates having a killer class in 2014 unless they want a dropoff over the next few years. Huge recruiting pressure for them in this class.
I guess this is interesting for some, but I don't really care who MSU signs unless they are in direct competition with UM.
And as an addendum, HS basketball rankings don't mean much to me anymore, given how many top kids go pro after a year. Izzo has always tried to recruit kids who can grow in his system a bit, and maybe that means taking lower-ranked kids. Beilein has done the same to wild success, so if Izzo thinks this kid is worth it I'm going to trust the guy who has taken numerous teams to the Final 4.
Argh, see above. Sorry. Meant to reply there, not here.