Good write-up on Nik Stauskas's pro potential

Submitted by Niels on

I thought people might enjoy this write-up from the Sixer's-focused Liberty Ballers blog. As a Sixers fan I am very excited about him coming to Philly; their player development from Brett Brown (former key assist to Pop in San Antonio) on down and the fact that there will be much less pressure (and no mercurial teammates like Boogie Cousins) affecting his confidence.

Lot's of good video walks down memory lane as well....

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/7/3/8889425/stauskas-rich-mans-redic…

 

Trader Jack

July 6th, 2015 at 5:45 PM ^

Vonleh is physically able to play basketball. Embiid hasn't been for a year and a half, and won't be for at least another season. Portland would've laughed and hung up if the Sixers offered Embiid for Batum. No one wants Embiid right now because no one knows for sure when/if he's gonna play again.

This is beside the point though. If you want to look at everything Detroit does pessimistically and everything Philly does optimistically, be my guest.



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bronxblue

July 6th, 2015 at 5:06 PM ^

You seem scarred by the late-00's Pistons.  Yes, the Pistons will need to pay guys like Drummond and possible KCP; that's what teams do to win.  GSW has one of the highest caps in the league; they also just won the title.  At some point you need to pay players, and while a team like GSW did so by building through drafting to an extent, they still paid big FA bucks to Iggy and David Lee, both of which felt like stretches when they made the deals and, in Lee's case, seem like bad bets.

As the Pistons are currently set, they don't have a great chance at a title.  But with Drummond you have one of the 2-3 best young bigs in the league who's only a year older by Embiid and Noel.  You have Johnson and KCP who could be solid wings, and Jackson has a decent enough ceiling that you wouldn't be surprised if he was the 2nd/3rd best player on a championship team with the right players around him.  And then who knows, maybe you get lucky with a minor FA signing or a 2nd round pick.  Stuff happens.

What I don't get is that you view everything Philly does with optimism while anything the Pistons do with skepticism, when it seems like you just don't like the Pistons and are a fan of the asset procurement seen by teams like Houston.  By all means believe what you want, but just don't act like there is one fool-proof way to win in this league.

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^

I would agree with that first part.  The Flip Saunders-Ben Wallace thing and the dragged out decline/denial of the Pistons was, to me anyway, the worst case scenario. I would rather watch a glorified D-league team with hope than a hopeless sinking ship.  I'd rather be at the bottom looking up than grasping at nothing as I fall downward.

GSW has two franchise players (Curry and Thompson) and built a supporting cast around.  To get there it STILL took them a few lucky breaks (Barnes falling in draft, Green uncovered, Bogut healthy, a few FA bargains, a new coach, etc.)  You can't lock in your roster until you have the franchise guys.  Plural.  The Pistons have 1 (or so we think/hope).

You pay free agents AFTER you've cleared that hurdle.  (But, just as an aside, maybe you really don't have to.  The Cavs, Heat, and Rockets have done a lot just by surrounding amazing superstars with budget role players.)

The whole reason I'm so upset by Jackson is that Drummond CAN BE that elite kind of talent.  The problem is that the Pistons have anointed his Robin without that guy having proven himself yet.  Why can't they just wait?  Let Jennings and Jackson prove themselves in 2015-16 and THEN make a commitment.  Give them more than a 20 game sample with Drummond, SVG, and what looks like a very solid group of Pistons wing players for the first time in many many years.

Everything the Pistons have done since releasing Smith was on point until the Baynes and Jackson signings.  They took advantage of other teams misfortunes (getting Jackson for nothing), they bargain shopped (Morris and Ilysova), they let a free agent who didn't fit with Drummond walk away.  I got my hopes up that they were being smart and patient, and then this... the Joe Dumars special on a platter.

Bergs

July 6th, 2015 at 1:33 PM ^

How are they locked into a below average roster?

They have five players with contracts that will expire after this year (1-2 they will have to cut to meet roster restrictions). The only player they have signed to a max deal is Reggie Jackson (a bit of a gamble but he played at an incredibly high level at years end). Josh Smith's contract will continue to bite them, but with the salary cap set to increase that won't sting nearly as bad. Aside from Jackson they have exactly 4 players signed past the 2016-2017 season and not one of those contracts exceeds 5 mill/year.

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 2:02 PM ^

Do you expect them to let Drummond or KCP walk? 

When they sign Drum and KCP and either resign Ilysova or sign a replacement for him there will be no room for another franchise player. That's what I mean about being locked in.

Trader Jack

July 6th, 2015 at 3:10 PM ^

Well that doesn't make any sense. You're basing your claim of being "locked in" on things that haven't even happened yet. If you want to be pessimistic then go for it, but you can't say they're locked in to a below average roster when they're absolutely not.



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Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^

DOOR A) The Pistons lose with those guys not panning out and the Pistons seek to find replacements in the free agency gold rush with a track record of losing around Jackson and Drummond.

DOOR B) The Pistons win with those guys as core players and the Pistons resign them during their restricted free agency.

What's not fair is assuming the Pistons will waltz into the 2017 free agency with high expectations and only $35M/year committed to Jackson/Drummond and a clean slate otherwise.

 

 

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 5:07 PM ^

a) free agency is a good way to COMPLETE a team. For example, the Rockets fit Ariza in around Harden/Howard, the Warriors got Iguodala to provide perimeter defense to help Curry/Thompson, etc.

b) cap space is valuable - the sixers just got Stauskas, a 1st round pick, and pick swaps for it. 

The sixers can continue to turn their cap space into mid/late 1st round draft picks that Jackson, KCP, Drummond, and Johnson all originated as/are.

Trader Jack

July 6th, 2015 at 5:11 PM ^

The Pistons also can sign a free agent on par with Ariza/Iggy once the cap jumps up.

No max level free agent wants to sign with Philly.

Your argument now is that Philly can use the space for draft picks that will allow them to get players the level of which Detroit already has.



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Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 6:42 PM ^

would have applied to Houston too a few years ago.  They made the western conference finals without their starting PG or PF.

You are comfortable projecting Detroits players (who, it should be noted, are not actually good yet - any of them) but refuse to acknowledge even something as basic as the chance that Embid will get healthy or his value as a trade chip.

I think we've reached a point where this conversation lost any utility it could have ever had.

It boils down to this - things change. Young players get better, old players get worse.

Trader Jack

July 6th, 2015 at 8:14 PM ^

I'm not projecting Detroit's players to definitely be good, as you're doing with Philly's. I'm simply saying Detroit has just as good of a chance as Philly to build a contending team - something you, for some reason, are adamant can't happen. Yet you're willing to praise Philly's plan which nobody knows is even going to work yet. It makes no sense.



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Niels

July 6th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

If they actually were tanking during the (dark) Eddie Jordan Doug Collins years they might have actually had decent assets. While I understand the arguments against tanking (lousy hoops, still no guarantees of banners, etc) I for one am happy with what Sam Hinkie is doing as opposed to mean 41 (sd-1) wins every year

One other point to note, players genuinely like playing in Philly, and that includes non d-leaguers like Thomas Robinson who got to benefit from the player development investment the team in making in them.

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^

Yeah, it's interesting that people are acting like nobody will sign in Philly, as if it's Sacramento, Portland, or Minnesota.  As soon as they turn the corner from tanker to fringe playoff team with tons of talent and draftpicks free agents will cetaintly sign there to take on the Erving-Barkley-Iverson mantle.

DrewGOBLUE

July 6th, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^

Aside from the playoffs and keeping tabs on former M players, I wish I could somehow garner enough interest in the NBA to actually follow a particular team.

Too bad all the Michigan guys can't just be put together. That'd be pretty fun (IMO), even if they were wildly mediocre. Figure the squad would look something like this.

Trey/Darius
J. Crossover/Nik
Caris/THJ
GRIII
Mitch/JMo

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^

The negatives here (defense, getting locked down by elite college defenders) are far more compelling than the positives (he can shoot really good!)

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^

It was elite small defenders.  In his defense, Nik did adjust after a while, but it's worrying when you're talking about NBA caliber defenders.

The irony of comparing Nik to Klay is that Klay's 37 point quarter came with a large assist from Nik's D.

bronxblue

July 6th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

It should also be noted that Stauskas had better games the second time he saw some of these defenders, including MSU and IU.  He is a shooter who occassionly struggles, and good defenders gave him trouble initially.  But it wasn't like he didn't have great games against good defenders as well.

He will always struggle against truly elite NBA defenders, but this idea that he is shut down by every defender is a bit unfair to him.  

Marley Nowell

July 6th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^

From reading this is looks like the main thing he needs to work on is shooting off of motion without hesitation. Glad he got out of Sactown and to a team where he will at least get minutes. After the All-Star break last year when he was getting 20Min a game he 42% from 3 and 42% overall. He can continue to improve and become a good NBA starter.