Eugene Smith

Submitted by Michael on

What does everyone think about Eugene Smith? It seems as though he is just as much of a possibility as Forcier, if not a bit less. From what I've read, he probably he best passer of all the dual-threat QBs out there, in terms of arm strength, accuracy, and mechanics.

I don't know too much about the guy, but I wanted to get some discussion going since nobody's talking about him yet. 

The Other Brian

August 20th, 2008 at 2:07 AM ^

Forcier is more polished as a passer at this point. 77 completion percentage speaks for itself; Rivals has him as the most accurate QB in the entire class. He's also faster, apparently. The thing with Forcier though is he plays against really bad teams; his competition is not typical elite California teams. Scripps Ranch is the 16th ranked team...in the San Diego Section.

Smith on the other hand, plays for the #11 team in the entire state of Florida (Miramar).

Miramar is 11th in Florida, 195th nationally.

Scripps Ranch is 127th in California, 1397th nationally.

Smith plays on a better team against better competition. Just something to keep in mind.

chunkums

August 20th, 2008 at 10:42 AM ^

I feel as though this argument can go both ways.  Yeah, he's got better competition, but if he's on that good of a team he probably has a really good o-line and outstanding recievers.  If Tate is on such a crappy team in a crappy area, shouldn't his recievers be comprable to the defenders?  Even against crappy teams, I'd say a 77% completion percenatage is pretty darn good and could show us that he will be ready to contribute right out of the gates, whereas Newsome (who was probably better in the long run) had some serious passing work to do.  Also, Smith's 4.8 40 is just downright slow for a mobile QB.

goody

August 20th, 2008 at 7:32 AM ^

Both seem to be favoring Michigan, so is it going to just be a matter of time until one jumps the gun and gives their verbal.  And if Forcier really wants to be a Wolverine then he may want to give his verbal right now and not wait until the Utah game, so Smith does not beat him to it. 

Michigan Arrogance

August 20th, 2008 at 9:47 AM ^

"...so is it going to just be a matter of time until one jumps the gun and gives their verbal."

 

I liked this movie the 1st time.... whenitwascalled the "kevin Newsome commitment." 

/hollywood minute

 

ThaLastProphet

August 20th, 2008 at 2:22 PM ^

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Tate didn't play against good competition. Scripps Ranch may not be ranked very highly but they did play a fair amount of top tier teams in California. They played against:
  • CIF Division 1 champs Poway (Lost 13-35).
  • CIF Division 2 champs Oceanside ( Lost 14-42).
  • CIF Division 3 champs Cathedral (Lost 25-49).
  • Last year's CIF Divison 3 champs St. Augustine (Win 27-21), and
  • Centennial, which is one of the top schools in the state and lost in the D1 championship game and was ranked number one (Lost 16-55)

Granted, they were obliterated in most of the games versus top ranked opponents, but Tate played well, as anyone can see by his ridiculous completion percentage and the fact that he only threw 6 interceptions despite being pressured heavily on almost every play against superior opponents. So I'm not really worried about how well the kid will project nationally. He's won several accuracy awards at national camps and rivals seems to think he is the most accurate passer and one of the most mechanically sound of all the elite quarterback propects. Having sound mechanics helps a lot when making the transition to a division one college because all too often high school coaches follow the Al Davis "just win baby!" mentality choosing to ignore mechanical problems because correcting throwing errors takes time and patience and the quarterback will inevitably struggle. If they are winning games with a terrible throwing motion they will simply let the terrible arm motion slide (i.e. see: Vince Young). It also helps with the learning curve because coaches don't have to waste time fixing improper mechanics (coughnewsomecough) and can delve right into the system. 

I was very high on Newsome but I would be very happy with Tate as a substitute, primarily because he's not some sort of a poor man's Kevin Newsome or half assed replacement. Although he is a very mobile quarterback with a 40 time similar to Newsome's he doesn't quite have that dynamic running ability that Newsome has, with the ability to not only outrun linebackers and safeties, but to run over them, (while Tate prefers to use his speed to buy more time in the pocket and is more of a scat back back type scrambler). Tate runs a 4.5-4.65 at 6'1'' 190 Newsome runs a 4.5-4.6 at 6'3'' 220, which means that Newsome is simply a physical freak a the QB position, while Tate's speed is more akin to his stature.

However what Tate lacks in the size and power he more than makes up for with his accuracy arm strength and throwing mechanics. He has the advantage over Newsome in all of these catagories. His pedigree and smarts too also give him an edge in that he has two brothers who play quarterback at the division one level (always a plus), and while Newsome ran more of a pro style offense that also incorporated his unique skill set as a runner, Tate has been running a spread read option type offense in high schoolwhich means the learning curve won't be quite as steep.

Yikes. I get too excited about this stuff.

mjv

August 20th, 2008 at 2:17 PM ^

Having brothers who also played D-1 football doesn't mean much.  Look at the Elliots.  John Elliot was a standout for Michigan under Bo and had a long NFL career.  His brothers didn't do much at UofM.  The Masseys are another example.  Father played at ND, oldest brother played at OSU, two Pat and Mike at UofM.  Contribution to date has been less than advertised.  

ThaLastProphet

August 20th, 2008 at 2:40 PM ^

Granted pedigree can mean nothing, the player could be a bust or the entire family could be busts, or it could be revealed that their entire family is a bunch of dog killing knee stomping gun pulling on kids at mcdonalds statuatory rapist you could hide your weed in here water bottle carrying psychopaths. However, even if the player is just bad, it is never a negative to have brothers or siblings playing at the D1 level, not only because they can give you tips and share experiences, help you to work out, and teach you what it takes to excel, but because a lot of D1 recruits lack a proper support system so having an idea of what to expect and having witnessed sibling go through the fire means that you know what is expected of you. It can also have its problems, like a recruit feeling like they know everything, but more experience is vastly more positive than negative in these situations.

I guess what it boils down to is that is you have two kids who are equal in talent and one comes from a family who has no prior football experience at any level and the other comes from a family where two of his brothers and his dad all played D1 football, which is more likely to succeed? The kid with the support system who can teach him what to expect, what it takes to make it which in turn gives him a leg up on all of the other players because they've been through the drill before even stepping foot on a college campus.