ThadMattasagoblin

May 20th, 2015 at 9:02 PM ^

Where's the concern for the defense coming from. I guess pass rush has been kind of bad but we had a top 15 defense last year and add peppers and lyons. Peppers was selected first for the spring game so I'm guessing he's pretty good. Our rushing d was pretty good.

Michigan4Life

May 20th, 2015 at 9:21 PM ^

FEI: 41

S&P: 37

They're basically average defensive unit. They're nowhere near top 15 like many thought they are.

The fact they gave up 30+ points to ND, MSU, Minnesota, and OSU and made Gary Nova look like a Heisman candidate. I'm not sure how people think they're a top 15 unit with this kind of performances against team with a pulse.

Throw in a loss of Frank Clark who is their best DL and Ryan who is their best LB.  You'd be hard pressed to see anyone who is not a Michigan fan think it's a top 15 unit.

HateSparty

May 20th, 2015 at 11:18 PM ^

This logic places no consideration to player development and maturity. To assume all things equal minus the QB and WR/TE on offense drop off is maybe over adjusting to the perceived maize glasses phenomenon. The online will be better, RB will be better, the WR will be better. I will assume the QB is no worse. If you cannot objectively see that, just due to getting older, stronger and better coaching, then you are not being objective. The D has big shoes to fill. Ryan will be tough to replace. Clark was the best lineman statistically but willie Henry was and is the most important. He helped keep Ryan clean too.

This debate will rage on. We will know who is "right" eventually. Until then I am going to be optimistic that our trajectory us better.

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JonnyHintz

May 21st, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

I don't even think Ryan will be THAT hard to replace. Between the return of Morgan, and the year of development as you mentioned from Bolden, Ross III, and RJS, I wouldn't expect much of a drop off. I don't see any of them having the individual impact of Ryan, but as a group I expect there to be absolutely no drop off.

JonnyHintz

May 21st, 2015 at 6:17 AM ^

But are you insinuating that they can't/won't improve with a spring and fall of strength and conditioning under Tolbert and practices under Durkin? I'm not saying they are all world beaters and that we are going to have JMFR running around at the 3-4 LB spots, but they can all improve and fill that production with relative ease, aside from the pass rush ability.

ThadMattasagoblin

May 20th, 2015 at 9:48 PM ^

I only really remember two teams that ran on us in msu and ohio. The starters were supposed to be Lewis and Peppers with Countess at nickel. When Peppers went down its not hard to see why we struggled. Basically you're looking for a new nickel and number 1 corner at the same time when peppers had his knee chips.

Ricky from Sunnyvale

May 20th, 2015 at 10:04 PM ^

David Cobb did whatever he wanted. Had like 30 carries for 200 yards.

Tevin Coleman was dinged up but still went for over 100 on a stacked box the whole game because Sudfeld was out and Diamont had to play.

Maryland was effiecent running against us CJ Brown their QB almost had a 100 yards, and won the game on a run. 

PurpleStuff

May 20th, 2015 at 10:15 PM ^

Frank Clark wasn't just the best guy on the team, he was a top talent who went in the 2nd round of the NFL draft.  And we lose Beyer opposite him who was the #2 guy in sacks and solid against the run.  Ryan was a Butkus finalist on a team that was horrendously bad.  We need to replace something like 40 TFL between those guys to tread water.

Even if Peppers is the revelation many assume he'll be, this team is going to have a hard time getting appreciably better on defense.  Combined with an offense that isn't exactly primed for improvement this looks to me like a long year.

On the bright side, Harbaugh will get the benefit of the doubt and be allowed to build the fantastic team he's capable of putting together.

ThadMattasagoblin

May 20th, 2015 at 10:33 PM ^

Kind of interesting that these guys who people say weren't very good during the season are now insurmountable losses. Rudock was better statically than Gardner last year. I'll give you funchess. That one hurts. I expect we'll get a major step up in d play with guys like Willie Henry and Bolden under this coaching staff. Peppers returns along with 8 of 11 starters.

PurpleStuff

May 20th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^

No one said Ryan wasn't that good (at most people maybe doubted the efficacy of moving him to MLB, which I still think was a mistake, despite his fantastic play at that spot since it wasn't worth the loss in pass rush ability).  Folks who didn't think Clark played well just weren't paying attention.  He regularly beat his guy only to see the ball quickly out of the QBs hand this past season.  The folks who know (coaches) voted him 2nd team all-conference as a junior even though his numbers weren't off the charts.  And the NFL scooped him up quickly despite off-field problems.

Throw in the loss of Taylor/Countess and you have a ton of question marks and no reason for optimism based on the team-building and recruiting prowess of Brady Hoke (outside of maybe Peppers, like I mentioned). 

Pinky

May 21st, 2015 at 3:31 AM ^

So the defense essentially returns 9 starters from a solid unit, and you're saying there is no reason for optimism?  Seriously?

I don't think they'll be world-beaters, but claiming there are a "ton of question marks" is laughably ridiculous.

Gucci Mane

May 21st, 2015 at 6:53 AM ^

So because you just read a front page post saying Clark played better than his numbers suggest your now going to talk him way up ? I swear some of you guys will believe anything Brian says.

JonnyHintz

May 21st, 2015 at 12:08 AM ^

The issue... MSU was #40 in FEI. Were they really the 40th best unit? That ranking essentially punishes you for who you play. Just because Michigan played a few bad offenses, doesn't take away from being an extremely solid unit. Yes, ND put up 31 points on Michigan. What you fail to mention, is that the offense turned the ball over 4 times that game. What you fail to mention, is that the defense held ND to 280 yards all game. The defense was very good throughout the season. Yes, they struggled at times, but it was still an extremely solid unit that was put in terrible positions by a turnover prone offense that struggled to move the ball. The one real weakness, and this affected their ranking in some forms, is that we didn't force many turnovers. Yes, we lose Clark. That doesn't worry me too much, as he was never very productive. Yes, we lose Ryan. But we get Morgan back from injury and we also have Bolden, Ross III, RJS, and the rest of the linebackers as a year older, more experienced, and with significantly better coaching. The same goes at every other position. What we lose, is easily replaced. Ray Taylor is easily replaced by Lyons. Lewis is a solid #1 corner. Peppers is back. Wilson is a year better. Again, elite coaching across the board.

Michigan4Life

May 21st, 2015 at 1:11 AM ^

before the turnover avalanche and they gave up long TD drives so saying holding them to 280 yards is moot point when the game is already out of reach by halftime. Saying it's an extremely solid unit is false when they gave up a ton of points against ND, Minnesota, MSU and OSU and gave up 400 plus passing yards against Gary Freaking Nova.

Michigan defense is not that good.

MSU defense had some weaknesses. They gave up 46 points to Oregon, 31 points to Purdue, 49 points to OSU and 41 points to Baylor. The difference is MSU offense is good enough to overcome the defensive weaknesses by outscoring teams. Michigan isn't good enough to overcome it.

Of course, the ranking will punish defense on who you play. B1G overall all suck offensively with the exception of OSU and MSU. You know why OSU and MSU are all head and shoulder above everybody else? They have good QBs. The rest with the exception of PSU with Christian Hackenberg, all suck.

JonnyHintz

May 21st, 2015 at 6:27 AM ^

Again, every defense has bad games. Sometimes, you're going to be off and let Nova throw for 400 yards. We also go out and hold Hackenberg to his lowest yardage output of the season. Yes, every defense is going to give up points. But you're not going to beat ND when you score zero points. You're not going to beat Utah when you score 10. Hell, you're not going to beat many teams when your turnover ratio is 3:1 in favor of your opponents. Playing behind and attrocious offense that hemorrhages turnover is going to have an effect on your team. 3 long TD drives. But they hold ND to 280 total yards. As a whole, they stopped the Irish from moving the football. Take away the 3 long drives and Michigan holds the Irish to just over 100 total yards for the rest of the game. That's not a solid outing? They do the same with Utah, and plenty of other teams throughout their schedule. I didn't say they dominated every team, every play of the game. But it was still a very solid unit that as a whole stopped teams from moving the ball. But when your opponent gets the ball on your 40, there's not much you can do.

Michigan4Life

May 21st, 2015 at 9:19 AM ^

against, MSU, Minnesota, OSU, ND and Rutgers. Michigan defense is elite. The point is they still gave up a shit ton of yards and points to them. Taking it away does not matter when they sucked and their advanced stats ranking reflects that.  They're an average defense at best regardless of the offensive performance.

funkywolve

May 21st, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^

Michigan's defense wasn't just off against Nova, they were awful.

In the other 7 Big Ten games Nova played here are his passing numbers:

PSU: 15-30, 192 yds

OSU: 17-28, 192 yds

Neb: 8-19, 156 yds

Wisky: 5-15, 46 yds

IU: 16-27, 217 yds

MSU: 11-26, 108 yds

Maryland:  28-42, 347 yds

Against UM:

22-39, 404 yds

 

Other then Maryland, Nova didn't do squat against any other team in conference play.

bronxblue

May 20th, 2015 at 10:00 PM ^

Lord, someone was paid money to write these?

I mean, I have 10 minutes a day if ESPN wants to throw some money to me to write-up LSU or ASU.  

Mac Attack

May 20th, 2015 at 10:06 PM ^

Can look so far into the future to predict this team's offense and defense, when no one has any idea of who is on the roster or not to fill those key positions... But hey, I guess they have to make money somehow.

ThadMattasagoblin

May 20th, 2015 at 10:27 PM ^

Looking at the stats it looks like indiana and maryland only rushed for like 150 which is not that much especially when your defense is on the field all day. In our other 7 games we were stout up front.

funkywolve

May 21st, 2015 at 12:51 AM ^

You might want to go back and check the box score and drive charts for the Maryland game.  Michigan dominated the time of possession.  Michigan had the ball 34 minutes to Maryland's 26.  In fact when Maryland got the ball trailing 16-9 in the 3rd quarter and then went on back to back TD drives, the Michigan defense had only been on the field for 15 of the first 42 minutes of the game.

ThadMattasagoblin

May 21st, 2015 at 1:00 AM ^

and maryland only had 147 rushing yards which is pretty good for a bad game. 34 minutes to 26 minutes isn't a huge difference. In that game there was a lot of punting between the 2 teams. Michigan ended the year 15th nationally in rush d so if we work on pass rush and pass d with the addition of lyons and peppers we could make another jump.

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

May 21st, 2015 at 1:14 AM ^

The game should have been over after the Norfleet Punt return TD.  The flag was comically late (the field goal net was already up).   It was a chicken shit call, and Hoke lost the pulse of the team once again.  

Richard75

May 21st, 2015 at 7:46 AM ^

Dead on. Although the offense was abysmal last year, people are kidding themselves a little bit about how good the defense was. The season numbers are skewed by a number of factors: facing only a handful of offenses above the national median, playing a broken version of Indiana, the ultra-deliberate pace of Michigan's offense (Mich averaged 30:52 TOP for the season despite all the punting).

If anything, the awfulness of the offense camouflaged how mediocre the defense was. Had there been more games like Rutgers and Maryland—teams that had somewhat competent offenses and a need to score in the second half—I suspect you would've seen the same defensive letdowns you saw in those two games.



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