Decommitment Perceptions

Submitted by big gay heart on
As many of you have probably noticed, many places on the M interwebs have talking heads (albeit uninformed talking heads) yammering on about RR's perceived inability to retain recruits. Now, most of us know this is bullshit, but I think it opens the door for an interesting topical discussion. We've seen several players - Newsome, McNeal, Barnes, Campbell - withdraw their commitments. Currently, the internet is abuzz with mostly unsubstantiated rumors dealing with possible decommitments by Graves and Jones, amongst others (FWIW, the people at scout think the Beaver/Myspace thing was taken out of context and moot). But, I think its worthwhile to recognize that media coverage of recruiting has changed drastically over the course of the past two or three years. It's a different animal, simply. Take MGoBlog, for instance. Brian's recruiting coverage has improved dramatically in the timeframe between last year and this. What started as a simple recruiting board which referenced extant articles has turned into a coverage mechanisms that gathers and reports first hand information that is unavailable to other the traditional recruitment sites. In a sense, recruitment coverage is mimicking the sort of decentralized growth that we're also seeing within the political, social, and cultural news spheres. Additionally, recruitment itself - especially for Michigan - has changed. RR's staff has fully engaged non-regional recruitment tactics. As the world becomes more interconnected, we are seeing time and space become increasingly minor logistical issues. However, that does not mean that 17 and 18 year old kids have the understanding and ability to step away from what they hold familiar. I'm 25 and I recently moved across the country - away from my friends, my family, my support structure in its entirety. The move was easy from a logistics standpoint. But in the deep breath before the great leap, I found myself asking: Do I really want to do this?

big gay heart

December 14th, 2008 at 2:37 PM ^

I'm not speculating, per se, that this is the truth, but we have seen a fair amount of kids come from very disadvantaged situations. For instance, Pahokee is an exceptionally poor area of our country. Is I have no idea how this compares to the LC era, but I think, potentially, financial issues become more significant as time and distance increase. I'm not privy to the financial situations of either past or current recruits, but soemthing along those lines could be at play for at least some of the kids in this recruitment class.

Musket Rebellion

December 14th, 2008 at 9:57 PM ^

Perhaps I'm missing my sarcasm detector today, but I think you completely missed the point of his post, and as I think I can justifiably state, are dumb yourself. BGH simply stated that this year's class of verbally committed recruits seem to come from some disadvantaged areas. He didn't say that rich kids are more likely to decommit. Conversely, just because an athlete goes to a posh prep school doesn't mean that he is rich. Many students are given breaks in tuition if they play a sport in high school. Also, many schools offer incentives for athletes to transfer from their schools to these preparatory schools.

maracle

December 14th, 2008 at 4:05 PM ^

People commit and decommit all the time. Brian's recruiting board has 4 LB committments, with Jordan Barnes being listed as a "soft verbal" and he projects the class to end up with 2 LOIs. So I think we can all take a deep breath, there's no need to read too much into little events here and there. I personally don't see any evidence that last season is having any impact on recruiting.

Magnus

December 14th, 2008 at 4:17 PM ^

To what do you attribute the high number of decommits? Or do you just think it's random? I have a hard time believing that the season didn't have at least a partial effect on Fera, McNeal, Barnes, Newsome, or Campbell. "The season" can encompass many things. For example, maybe McNeal wasn't turned off by the losing as much as the lack of a quality QB. Maybe Fera thinks PSU is headed to the top of the Big Ten. Maybe Barnes saw the poor linebacker play and that helped him decide Hopson and others wouldn't help him mature as a player. Etc. Etc.

TomVH

December 14th, 2008 at 4:43 PM ^

I posted this somewhere else, but the biggest reason for Fera, McNeal, and Newsome was they felt like they had to commit. I'm not going into detail of what they said, but they felt they had to do it when they did. It seems like it's the same thing with Barnes. The coaces felt pressured to get good kids in here, and they pressured some kids a little bit, and they made their decision too soon. I talked to Fera for about 2 hours the day before he decommitted, and that was the exact reason why he committed in the first place. He was never solid, and probably shouldn't have committed to begin with. His Dad wanted him to go to Penn State the whole time. Basically the same thing is true for McNeal, and he told me that he didn't like our style of offense, he has ties to someone on the Minnesota Viking staff that said some things, and he committed too early. Barnes said he didn't have that great of a relationship with Hopson, but his Father played at Purdue, and he lives in Indiana. I spoke with him a couple times, and I could've told you this was going to happen. Every time I talked to him, he didn't really seem interested, and always talked about other things.

Ninja Football

December 14th, 2008 at 4:36 PM ^

Barnes by all accounts was a marginal recruit and we'd laid off the love a bit. I think his decommit was more a function of us needing a few more spots than anything. Newsome jumped early, and decommitted before the season, so that's a non-factor. Big Will- wanted to have some fun, will be Blue. McNeal has some big-time skills, his trepedation is understandable without Rod having a proven passing component to his offense. That'll change in the next few years. And Fera- who knows. Everyone who's worried needs to relax, we'll be fine.

Yinka Double Dare

December 14th, 2008 at 8:16 PM ^

I think if anything that effect would be greater next year especially in earlier recruiting. However, the fact that we've got two good recruits at the position that would be most affected/scared off by our suckitude last year, wide receiver (though only partial credit for Jackson due to the dad factor), bodes well. And they seem 100% bought in, especially Miller given how much he seems to talk us up to peers in the 2010 recruiting year.

Shove3and9upyourACE

December 14th, 2008 at 5:00 PM ^

I agree with Magnus. I'm really happy with the current recruiting class. Just need to add bout 5 more guys and it will be a top 5 class. (heck we are already number 7 on rivals)

turbo cool

December 14th, 2008 at 6:03 PM ^

i also disagree about the theory on the kids socioeconomic status and think it has more to do with how shitty we did last year. I know Tom and all the experts say it doesnt matter but it did. Marcus Hall said since we didn't do well he wasn't looking at us anymore. I'm sure that played into many other kids minds and how we're rebuilding.

turbo cool

December 14th, 2008 at 6:16 PM ^

yeah i know, he's been a heavy tOSU lean but I bet this has played out in the minds of many recruits. but i don't buy the whole 'since he's from of a poor background he's more likely to decommit'. both newsome and mcneal are at prep schools. fera isn't from rough area. and barnes, well who knows about barnes. he left for either purdue or oklahoma state which is a bit absurd in itself. and lets all pray that big will comes back to us.

Brodie

December 14th, 2008 at 7:53 PM ^

Socioeconomic status is a factor, whether relevant to our decommitments or not. It's easy for Tate Forcier to move to Michigan for 3-4 years because of his socioeconomic status, he can go home whenever he wants and his family can be at every game he plays. That's not an option for most Southern kids because they come from more disadvantaged backgrounds. You'd have to be blind not to notice that southern players tend to stay down south.

big gay heart

December 14th, 2008 at 8:06 PM ^

I'd agree with this, for the most part. I guess what I was going for is that sometimes kids have a tendency to make a decision when the outcome of that decision seems very distant. And then, when the outcome comes a bit closer, there is a tendency to rethink things.

big gay heart

December 14th, 2008 at 8:04 PM ^

Like I said earlier, I agree with this in theory. I'm not sure if it is a factor in Michigan's case. But people need to look outside of the box in understanding why kids from, say, MS are so hard to pull out of MS. I'd speculate that it is resultant of several factors, some of which may include (a) the understanding that mom/dad (or whatever combination) won't be able to watch you play (b) the understanding that you wont be able to pop home if soemthing goes wrong (c) you don't have the resources to have experienced a lot as a kid, so your home is primarily what you know. Again, there is no way of knowing if this is applicable to M's situation or not. But, to me, there seems to be a lot of face validity in this argument and certainly it would correspond with my experiences as a very poor 17 year old kid looking at prospective colleges.

Rich402

December 14th, 2008 at 9:29 PM ^

How would this not apply to, say, a middle class white guy from Southfield, too? Would his parents be able to travel to, say, LSU seven times per year to watch him play? I think it's highly likely that the vast majority of D-1 football players (just like the vast majority of regular students) attend a school within 200 miles of where they grew up. I fail to see why it is so surprising that guys from the South are reluctant to go too far away for college, therefore. What would be surprising is if there *were* a lot of movement cross-regionally.