Best Big Ten Duos

Submitted by Seth on
Rivals Mike Huguenin put together a list of the best duos (at positions that require 2-plus players) across the NCAA, and in each FBS conference. The Big Ten:
PosSchool12
RBWisconsinJohn ClayZach Brown
WRIllinoisArrelious BennJarred Fayson.
OGOhio StateJustin BorenBryant Browning
OTIowaBryan BulagaKyle Calloway
DTPenn StateOllie OgbuJared Odrick
DEOhio StateThaddeus GibsonCameron Heyward
LBPenn StateNavorro BowmanSean Lee
CBPurdueBrandon KingDavid Pender
SOhio StateAnderson RussellKurt Coleman
When is the last time they made any Big Ten list and it had nobody from Michigan? The thing is, at this moment, I think there's only one spot I can disagree with them on. Running Back. All stats are from 2008. If there are any Wisconsin fans on the board, please, enjoy.* Team 1
Rushing    Receiving
Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD
HB11558845.79 1220
HB2553055.53 8475.90
Total21011895.712 9495.40


Team 2:
 Rushing    Receiving   
Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD
HB11035335.29 559272
HB2291224.20 6234.60
Total1326555.09 11827.52


Totals:
AttYds Avg TD
Team 121912385.712
Team 21437375.211


That's two solid squads. Team 1 certainly had more attempts, and more yards per attempt. But Team 2 got just one fewer touchdown in over 50 fewer carries, giving Team 2 a scoring ratio of 7.7 percent to Team 1's 5.5 percent. In other words, Team 2's runs were cut short more often by crossing the goal line. Team 2 also was far more productive in receiving. Overall, they're pretty comparable. Team 1 is Wisconsin, i.e. John Clay and Zach Brown. As for Team 2, that's Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown. As effective as we imagine our two senior running backs to have been last year, they were at or just under the production of Wisconsin's duo. Both teams leaned heavily on the run, though out of different schemes. Both had defenses stacked against the run for much of the season. The biggest differences, obviously, were (1) the schemes (Wisconsin does a lot of I-form versus RR's spread-n-shred), which I think accounts for the difference in scoring ratios; and (2) injuries to Michigan's junior backs limiting the amount of carries. I didn't include McGuffie and Shaw, who between them (receiving and rushing) did this:
AttYds Avg TD
1859084.95
But I also didn't include P.J. Hill, who had 1161 yards and 13 TDs on 226 carries, plus another 72 yards on 7 receptions. I had high hopes for Minor and Brown to produce at an undeniably better clip. The TD ratio thing is a good sign, but it's not so significant a difference to be a valid reason for bumping the two seniors over the Badgers two juniors (Clay's RS soph FWIW). So Wisconsin wins the tailback duo spot. BG is a certain contender for All-Big Ten at DE, but what's on the other side? I guess if we're gonna win a positional tandem spot in the conference, then, I'd go with Kicker/Punter. Sure, Kicking Competency Lopata is gone and we have no idea what the kicking situation will be. But this is one of those Wilt Chamberlain-and-Joe Ruklick-once-combined-to-score-100-points-in-a-game things. * It is my firm belief that the favorite conversation of any Wisconsin fan (aside from the awesomeness of Brett Favre) is comparing Badger and Wolverine running backs. Who's got more heart, P.J. Hill or Mike Hart? Would you rather be trucked by A-Train or Ron Dayne? If you needed 3 yards and couldn't pass it would you rather have Brian Calhoun or B.J. Askew in there? Hey, what you doing tonight? Wanna get together and compare the Yards-After-Contact stats of Anthony Davis to Chris Perry? I have met many Wisconsin fans, and every time this same conversation seems to come up. It is theory.

notetoself

August 18th, 2009 at 11:23 AM ^

sometimes the default subject lines seem to imply something other than what was written, because the first line gets cut off. somewhere, with someone, bryant browning is fucking. really? where did you get your info? was that his facebook status? actually. that would be a killer facebook status.

Seth

August 18th, 2009 at 2:59 PM ^

Whatever OSU has on the interior of its line, it's gotta be better than Martin and Campbell. I could see these guys becoming big-time performers in the future, but right now it's a true sophomore who might have looked good because he had three seniors and an HM All-American on the line with him, and a true freshman who enrolled early and comes with loads of talent but is still a true freshman. I don't know why the rest of you aren't having nightmares about DT depth this summer. Renaldo Sagesse is behind a 19-year-old and an 18-year-old. If we get two injuries, you will see DEs Greg Banks (266 lbs) and Ryan Van Bergen (271 lbs) "anchoring" the line. Imagine those guys against Mr. Plow. Dominique Ware is a 5'7, 248-lbs. redshirt junior walk-on. He is now the 5th man for a two-spot position. I'm s-ed, s-less.

Blue in Yarmouth

August 18th, 2009 at 12:40 PM ^

in disagreement with your assertion that Minor/Brown could be better than Wisc.'s duo, I don't think your analysis of the stats helps that arguement. A difference of 1.5 and 1.3 yards per carry repsectively between Brown and the two Wisc. backs is quit a bit IME. I know this is obvious, but that means that on average, if you give them the ball in back to back plays they will get you a first down most times. Brown running on back to back plays gets you a third and short.....Give me the first down please. Ultimately, nothing these clowns say really makes any difference at all and I am of the opinion that our RB's will prove to be the best group in the B10 this year. Having said that, these guys are taking into account last year, and our record and play last year gives some reason for why none of our players are up there.......I still think they are asses though!

jmblue

August 18th, 2009 at 2:07 PM ^

Given that Carlos Brown had just 29 carries on the season, it may be a reach to assume he's part of the best tailback duo in the conference. The Wisconsin duo had more carries for more yards and more TDs. It's a logical choice.