Wow, we have a 2 deep for the first time in what, 6 years?
Behold the glory that is OL depth
Great, now how do we keep each and every guy content with his role on the team? #SabanProblems
If a backup gets passed by a younger guy and wants to leave im cool with that, bring in a new and better recruit.
State Street = Debbie Downer
I don't see why it's a long shot that mags or braden moves to RT and Schofield goes back inside.
Because Bryant is a massive human being who supposedly was doing well in camp prior to breaking his tibia. Assuming he recovers fully, he's the third most experienced guy on the roster, has had more time to develop physically, and to learn the system. Odds are he's in the top 5 you want on the field, which means Schofield retains the RT slot and Kalis takes the other guard slot (Lewan of course handles LT).
If Bryant is ready to go, it makes no sense to make a reliable RT go through yet another posistion switch.
Yea that's barring a recovery in time to practice with the other linemen. He may be the best on paper but when camp comes if he's not ready I'd rather see schofield move inside so our front five can have as much time together as possible.
He'll be ready for spring. A broken bone doesn't take all that long to heal, especially on a 19 year old kid.
It will be nice to be more than a twisted ankle away from seeing Devin run for his life every snap. Ahhhhh, bliss!
If I were a betting man I'd think Kugler can beat out Glasgow and Burzynski for the #2 spot by the end of fall camp. I think he'll challenge Miller for the starting spot by the end of the year. I think the only thing holding him back would be the knowledge of line adjustments.
I personally would rather not have a true freshman in the 2-deep, and Hoke seems to like preserving OL redshirts (i.e. Kalis this year).
comes out tomorrow
I am an IPA lover but it was priced at $17.99 for a sixer. Is it really worth that?
I paid $19.99 a year or two ago...
Yes. Yes it is
Think of it this way... 10% ABU, right? 17.99/6= 2.99/ Bottle. $2.99 per 10%
Bud Light/Miller light...4.2% I believe... 6.99/6= 1.17/Bottle. $1.17 per 4.2%
You need 2.38 times more BL than Hop Slam to ingest the same amount of Alcohol content...
2.38 * 6.99 = $16.64 as opposed to the 17.99 for Craft Beer brewed in MICHIGAN!
Plus Hopslam tastes better too.
i'll drink to that math
is actually out today and has been on tap at some places for a few days. As good as ever.
Also, Hooray offensive line depth
What are those things under the starters? Recruits or something?
You have to admit, though, that RS Freshmen behind the starters is better than walk-ons that have never played football before and air.
Schofield was LG, not RG. He played beside Taylor. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kugler starts from Day 1. From all accounts he was a flat out stud in the all-star game.
We have th most college ready O-linemen in the midwest in a few years on our roster and he redshirted. Kugler still needs t o add weight as well. Unless Kalis is not all he cracks up to be, Our linemen are going to be redshirting unless something very bad happens.
2014 looking like WR is going to be dicey. Heres hoping to someone stepping up in 2013 and alleviating that concern. We can haz depth, on both sides of the ball....? nice.
Which is why the OL depth is so important. An extra second to get open can really improve your receivers. And let 's not sell Gallon and Dileo short (no pun intended) for '13. They can play. Admittedly, some of these WR recruits will have to step up for '14.
Best thing about depth is that you get 2-3 guys fighting it out for the starting spot so you know the starter has earned it and has real potential... rather than one guy, no matter how "average" getting the start because there are no other options.
At Center: Miller, Bars, or Kugler
At RG: Bryant or Bosch
Whoever starts against CMU isn't set for 14 games... it will be a battle all season for these guys. That will make them better, meaner, and hungrier.
In 2014, Hoke should just throw all 13 of his 4-5 star OL into a Thunderdome and see which 5 walk out. I bet BTN would pick it up and show it in early August.
I'm looking forward to finding our running game again under these starters. Next year our backs first contact will be the linebackers after a 3-4 yard gain instead of running into our own linemen being thrown back into them.
Remember the first snap of the first game this year, when their OL pushed back our DL off the ball a whole yard with a loud WHUMP?
I hope that will be our OL next year.
that Braden will start at right tackle and make that his position for a very long time. Don't have the link, but look at his picture from the Big House Barbeque and consider those who believe he is under rated.
Does anybody else think Kugler could step in and start from Day 1?
At center you don't need to have the same physical "rediness" as you do tackle or guard. He's already bigger, and can't be much weaker (if at all) than Jack Miller. Sure, he'll need to master the mental and technique part of the game but his situation makes it reasonable. His technique is already very good.
Let's say Hoke or Funk give him a call and tells him to come ready to be in the mix for the starting nod. He watches tons of flim as a center, begins working with Pops on some center specific stuff, and hones his technique. Arrives in Ann Arbor in May ready to continue to build his body and workout with his teammates. Strong fall camp, and I think he could be our guy. We all agree that his potential is greater than that of Jack Miller. His pedigree could help him be a better option to start sooner rather than later.
Ultimately I think and hope that Jack Miller earns the job and plays well. I just wouldn't be surprised to see Kugler in there from Day 1.
I could see that happening. I could see alot of different scenrios alot of OL talent.
A true freshman center? No, I don't see that happening.
I thought Dawson was going to be moving over to center?
Nope, guard. He said he would be willing to play center, but they wanted to start him off at guard.
but I haven't seen that much since. Dawson will, and should be at Guard
I would also expect that Kugler rockets up the depth chart faster than any other freshmen based on his position, his talent, his physical development, and his background. I think as such he'll probably burn his red-shirt next year.
He could even get in the mix at RG if he's as good as we think. However, I would expect that Miller gets every chance to succeed before they turn to Kugler. Miller has a good reputation and is a true-center who's been in the system for two years already. The only knock against him is size, which we'll now have at every other position on the line.
I have high hopes for Miller.....but I do wonder why he didn't get any playing time at center this year given that Mealer wasn't having a stellar year.
I'm a huge fan of Kugler, and I think he's gonna be one of the best linemen of all the star prospects we've taken recently, but if they didn't burn Kalis redshirt despite the glaring need for a better Guard in 2012 then they won't burn Kuglers just to do it. Jack Miller could also be a good to great center.
"I have high hopes for Miller.....but I do wonder why he didn't get any playing time at center this year given that Mealer wasn't having a stellar year. "
- I honestly believe this is due to Coach Hoke's loyalty to upper classmen...
coaches. Hoke has shown a willingness to get young talent on the field where they prove they belong, particularly at LB.
But, that said isn't Oline and area where expereince really makes a difference? So I'm not sure I would call it loyalty as much as the staff believing that the experienced OL would play better than the newbies.
I am sure kugler will be great for us, but i feel like you should never want a true freshman on the line. they need that redshirt year to learn the system and develop.
How about guys like Ben Pliska, Dan Gibbs, Kristian Mateus and Erik Gunderson? Are any of these guys expected to contribute anytime in the future or are they just roster fillers?
I think they're pretty much just roster fillers.
I need to disagree with you on your depth comment. You're right that we replaced 3 graduating players with 4 redshirt freshmen......but we also added 5 (and possibly 6) true freshmen. Look at it this way.....
In 2012 if someone on the OL got hurt they would bring in a walk-on in Burzynski and then be forced to shift all of the positions around to make sure he played guard. If a second injury happened we would be forced to play a true freshman.
In 2013 if someone on the OL gets hurt we still have Burzynski but we also have THREE back-ups who have been in the program for at least a year and can play multiple positions. (Braden, Bars, Magnuson if you assume Kalis and Bryant start). Before we even have to consider playing a true freshman just about the entire starting OL would have to go down with an injury. And even then, you could pick the most college-ready of the numerous freshmen.
I don't get all the "Kugler playing a a true freshmen talk." Does anyone here honestly want an undersized true freshmen playing arguably the most important position on the line? Miller most likely didnt play last year due to lack of size, and Kugler would have the same problem. If anything, Bosch is probably closer to playing time than him, But again, Kalis didnt play as a Frosh, I doubt any of the incoming guys will
Its likely kugler is closer to what the coaches want at center than miller, who they did not recruit I believe. On that we can both agree. But Miller has been in the system a few years and has a jump on kugler. Kugler is most likely our long term center. But the idea of a true freshman playing there should scare everyone. I think Miller and Burzynski both get a crack at it before Kugler like you said, and yes, I am concerned like you that Miller couldnt beat out Mealer last year. I think Bars might even get a shot there. Center might be the most contested spot on the line. Or they might decide Miller is the guy. But whatever happens, Kugler wil hopefully redshirt and take over duties after that.
With the return of Lewan, I wouldn't trade M's OL for any in the country. OL is going to be a strength next season and for years to come.
Will be much more exciting...even with Lewan and Schofield gone, we'll have 4 & 5 star talent exclusively on our two-deep, and easily have one of the best O-lines in the country for the foreseeable future. Next year should be good, but it only gets better...