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Basketball B1Ggest scheduling disadvantage goes to MSU then Indiana

Results: The B1Ggest disadvantage goes to MSU, then to Indiana.  The B1Ggest advantage goes to Penn State, then Iowa.

The remainder of the teams on a list of scheduling difficulty vary in their positions depending on the analysis used.  To list the order of schedules this early in the season, it seems assumptions have to be made (note: I assume that the teams in 2013 exist on four separate tiers: (i) Indiana ("IN"), Minnesota ("MN"), Michigan ("UM"); (ii) OSU, MSU, Wisconsin ("WI"); (iii) Illinois ("IL"), Purdue ("PU"), Iowa ("IA"); and (iv) Northwestern ("NW"), Nebraska ("NU"), PSU).  I struggled with assuming that Illinois did not belong on tier 2, however getting itself blown out at Wisconsin did not help the Illini cause.  Wisconsin is not on tier 1, because it has at least one too many losses outside of the conference.

One analysis scored (using numbers) the difficulty of the games (in light of each of their venues) by ranking the teams using four tiers equally separated.  The following is a representation of the scoring and the resulting list of teams with the most difficult schedules:

8             @IN, @MI, @MN (9)

8              IN, MI, MN (7)

6              @WI, @MSU, @OSU (7)

6              WI, MSU, OSU (5)

4              @PU, @IL, @IA (5)

4              PU, IL, IA (3)

2              @NW, @NU, @PSU (3)

2              NW, NU, PSU (1)

Difficulty of Schedule:

  1. MSU
  2. Indiana
  3. OSU
  4. Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois
  5. Wisconsin, Nebraska, Purdue, Northwestern
  6. Iowa
  7. Penn St.

The second analysis scored (using numbers) the difficulty of the games (in light of each of their venues) by ranking the teams using four tiers also, but they were not equally separated. The following is a representation of the scoring and the resulting list of teams with the most difficult schedules:

7              @IN, @MI, @MN (8)

7              IN, MI, MN (6)

6              @WI, @MSU, @OSU (7)

6              WI, MSU, OSU (5)

4              @PU, @IL, @IA (5)

4              PU, IL, IA (3)

2           @NW, @NU, @PSU (3)

2              NW, NU, PSU (1)

 Difficulty of Schedule:

  1. MSU
  2. Indiana
  3. Michigan, Minnesota, OSU, Illinois
  4. Wisconsin, Nebraska
  5. Purdue, Northwestern
  6. Iowa
  7. Penn St.

Finally, I provide the B1G teams ranked (as they are today in the B1G standing) with the play-once games for each team also listed, so that you can do your own analysis at your convenience and leisure. 

#5 Indiana(IN)  3-0/15-1

has no rematch for games: WI, @NW, @IL, NU

Wisconsin(WI)  3-0/12-4

has no rematch for games: @IN, UM, @NW, PU

#2 Michigan(UM)  3-1/16-1

has no rematch for games: IA, NU, @MN, @WI

#8 Minnesota(MN)  3-1/15-2

has no rematch for games: UM, @WI, PSU, @PU

#22 Michigan State(MSU)  3-1/14-3

has no rematch for games: @IA, @PSU, IL, NW

#15 Ohio State  (OH)  3-1/13-3

has no rematch for games: @PU, IA, @PSU, MN      

Purdue(PU)  2-2/8-8

has no rematch for games: OSU, @NU, @WI, MN

#12 Illinois(IL)  1-3/14-4

has no rematch for games: @MSU, IN, PSU, @IA

Iowa  (IA)  1-3/12-5

has no rematch for games: @UM, MSU, @OSU, @PSU

Northwestern  (NW)  1-3/10-7

has no rematch for games: IN, @NU, WI, @MSU

Nebraska  (NU)  0-4/9-8

has no rematch for games: @UM, PU, NW, @IN

Penn State (PSU)  0-4/8-8

has no rematch for games: MSU, OSU, @IL, @MN

The next 6-8 weeks will be a crazy ride, but I like Michigan's chances even if it has much work to do.

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January 14th, 2013 at 4:19 AM | Disadvantages are challenges (Score:5 Normal)
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Disadvantages are challenges for the worthy and executions for the weak.

Drinking your own blood is the paradigm of recycling.

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January 14th, 2013 at 4:25 AM | Fear is the dark room where (Score:1)
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Fear is the dark room where the devil develops his negatives.

"Ack ack!"

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January 14th, 2013 at 5:06 AM | Holy (Score:2)
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shit you're back.  Upvoted based on encouragement.  

I love Greg Mattison

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January 14th, 2013 at 6:48 AM | The glass may be half full, (Score:2)
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The glass may be half full, and it may be half empty. All that is sure is your bartender is a dick...

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January 14th, 2013 at 9:04 AM | Built In Bias (Score:5 Normal)
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Of couse Penn State has the hardest schedule -- they don't get to play themselves even once!

Twin Cities

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January 14th, 2013 at 10:04 AM | Think this was meant as a (Score:4 Normal)
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Think this was meant as a joke but actually there is a lot of truth to this

"I just hope Tressel doesn't fire me"

-Gordon Gee

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January 14th, 2013 at 9:37 AM | PSU may have a shot at going (Score:0 Overrated)
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PSU may have a shot at going winless. I don't see them beating anyone. They're AWFUL. Maybe being close with nebraska.

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January 14th, 2013 at 9:38 AM | Ohio tier 2? (Score:2)
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While I'd love for this to be true they did just beat us

"Relax you panic monger" -Megatron

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January 14th, 2013 at 11:20 AM | I agree- the tier'ed system is pretty complicated but flawed (Score:1)
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I think winning at Ohio and MSU will be just about as tough as winning at IU or Minny.  So I tend to just look at who gets to avoid playing the tough road games.

 

For example, Minnesota gets a huge break in not having to play us in Ann Arbor.  And Ohio does not have to play at Minny.  In my mind, that means those 2 teams have the easiest schedules amongst the contenders.

 

Of course, that is a very simple way to look at it.  For any real in depth analysis you probably have to look at Kenpom or RPI, but I think my simplistic view identifies the glaring inequities for Minnesota and Ohio. 

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Edited

"I hate losing more than I like winning." - Zack

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January 14th, 2013 at 12:44 PM | Intrigued By This Idea... (Score:2 Normal)
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It's an interesting analysis which actually gets the bottom third of the BIg Ten in terms of conventional SOS Power ratings pretty much spot on. In most rankings, as I recall, are Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa and Penn St. Where it varies some is in the top, it seems - on TeamRankings, for example, the top four in the Big Ten would be Minnesota, Michigan State, Illinois, and Ohio State.

Is it possible you could go into detail regarding some of the assumptions you used to create the tiers? I am curious.

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January 14th, 2013 at 4:02 PM | assumptions on tiers (Score:0 Redundant)
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My assumptions have flaws, because we don't know enough about how the teams rank out relative to each other this early in the B1G season.  Nevertheless, I thought I could get a gauge of the teams by looking at their performances in/out of conference.

At first I thought of creating only two tiers, but I thought that equating Wisconsin to Indiana (for example was too much of a stretch).  I thought four tiers worked out better, and so I placed teams into their tiers by considering their schedules in/out of conference as well as their losses.

Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan don't have very many losses and none of those losses were per se bad losses (losing at OSU by 3 is not a bad loss IMO).  Minnesota lost to Duke and Indiana, and I think they played them pretty close (although like Michigan vs. OSU, Minnesota fell behind by a large deficit early to Indiana, only to fight back in a tough venue).  Indiana losing only to Butler in a close game is ultimately one loss, even if it was to Butler.  Overall, based on watching these teams play, they look like very strong teams.

I put OSU, MSU and Wisconsin in the second tier because of losses they've each suffered and also because of noticeable flaws in their production.  OSU has limited scoring options but a great defense.  Before beating Michigan, OSU hadn't won a game against a ranked opponent; beating Michigan at OSU is solid, but I don't think OSU can perform offensively the rest of the season with any consistency like it did in the opening 10-15 minutes against Michigan.  I think if Michigan's young players had more road experience, the team probably would have beaten OSU had they met later in the season.  Anyway, OSU also had a bad loss to a slightly above average Illinois.  MSU has flaws with consistenly turning over the ball; also, MSU has been a bit lucky facing Iowa without its leading scorer and Nebraska without one of its leading rebounders/scorers.  Despite that luck, MSU hasn't exactly blown those teams out on the road and at home respectively.  MSU also has losses to Miami (ACC challenge) and to Connecticut; it's only good win is Kansas.  Lastly (re tier 2) I described above why I put Wisconsin in tier 2; while beating Illinois soundly in Madison is good, how good is Illinois really?  No really good wins for WI even if it is unbeaten in the conference so far; WI has some questionable (to say the least) losses.

Illinois, Purdue and Iowa look well-coached, but I think they might lack the horses (i.e. talent) that the teams in the top two tiers have.  They will still be tough teams to beat because they're talent isn't that wholly deficient. It's worth noting that Iowa and Illinois have at least somewhat new coaches still implementing their systems.  In contrast, Purdue has its system set with coach Painter, but its talent has dropped off a bit since Hummel and Co. (I forgot the names of the other studs in his class) left.

The bottom tier does seem to wholly lack talent relative to the top tiers; much of this has to do with injury (NW and PSU) it seems.

I do think that a strong case can be made that there isn't much separation between the top six teams; that is why I did the second analysis in which the baseline value of the two tiers are separated by only a value of one rather than two (as in the first analysis).

Finally, the major flaw I see in the scoring of the bottom tier is this: giving those teams a baseline value of 2 implies that meeting them at their home venue makes them 50% more difficult to beat (i.e. a jump from baseline value of 2 to a score of 3); I think that places too much value on them playing in their home venues.  Similarly, those teams don't become 50% less of a challenge (i.e. a jump from a baseline value of 2 to 1) by merely having to leave their home venues. 

Anyway, I thought it was a decent attempt at analyzing the data.  I don't have more time to make the analyses more accurate, but I thought it was worth putting the data out there with my limited analyses. Also, I hope it's clear that I added up the scoring of the once-played games for each team such that the addition created a number value; a lower value for that number suggested to me that the schedule was more difficult than that of a team with a higher value for that number.

Thanks for taking an interest. Unfortunately, I don't think I can add much more to the discussion any time soon, because I got deadlines to meet outside of mgoblog.  I have to save my free time to watch as many B1G games as I can, because I don't remember ever seeing the league as strong as it is this year. 

Every man at some point is gonna lose a battle. He's gonna fight and he's gonna lose. But what makes him a man, is that in the midst of that battle he does not lose himself. This game is not over, this battle is not over. So let's hear it .

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January 14th, 2013 at 5:02 PM | The main takeaway I got from (Score:2)
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The main takeaway I got from this past weekend is that Minnesota is indeed that good. Indiana played 10 minutes of the best basketball you'll ever see and then Minnesota came right back at them and whittled it away until the end. IU was the beneficiary of some inconsistent officiating as well. Of course, just my opinion. The refs mainly let them play until about 15 minutes remaining in the second half when ever close whistle went against Minnesota.

Bottom line, if a team doesn't play at least their B+ game on the road against any of the top half teams in the conference, winning on the road is going to be close to impossible. The conference is just that loaded. We're getting 7 teams in the tourney at least (UM, IU, MSU, ILL, MINN, WIS, OSU) and Iowa is good enough to make it if they can take care of the bottom of the conference and pull two upsets at home.

It's a shame that we probably can't get multiple 1 seeds with Kansas, Duke and Louisville playing in conferences that are experiencing relatively down years. Because I think we have three of the top six teams in the country in this conference. Good luck getting out with less than 4 losses no matter how it shakes.

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January 14th, 2013 at 7:17 PM | wowowowow (Score:1)
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wow this is hopefully a joke because all of the bad teams have easier schedules considering they don't have to play themselves.....

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January 14th, 2013 at 7:18 PM | huehuehuehuehue i have 69 (Score:1)
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huehuehuehuehue i have 69 points

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