7 months til we all witness best Freshmen QB ever..
Can't wait for Tate to get on the field.
Every QB who comes out of HS you hear positives and negatives. All I ever hear from Tate are positives. EVERYTHING I hear from this kid is good news and makes me that much more excited for the 2009 season.
Last offseason with Threet and Sheridan: All coaches said were they do good things and bad things. Tate is all good (so far, i know its still early)
I think this upcoming season he is going to be doing things not many Freshman have done:
Leading a 3 win team to a 9-10 win regular season record.
Throw for over 2,200 yards. 20+ TDs
Run for over 600 Yards. 5+ TDS
February 9th, 2009 at 3:38 PM ^
No pressure, Tate.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:00 PM ^
words right out of my mouth P.R.R.
Before I clicked on this I said to myself "Huh, no pressure kid".
February 9th, 2009 at 3:39 PM ^
As excited as I am to see him play, isn't this a bit much.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:43 PM ^
we should lay off the praise until we see him actually take a snap. i'd rather be cautiously optimistic than claim he's going to be a freshman all-american
February 9th, 2009 at 3:44 PM ^
You have to love the optimism around here occasionally. This IS fandom.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:56 PM ^
Oh.
Boy.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:08 PM ^
when we can both agree a poster is being way too optimistic.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:09 PM ^
I agree
February 9th, 2009 at 3:56 PM ^
Part of me wants to encourage you not to jump off a parking structure when Threet starts the season, and the other part of me kinda wants you to just jump off it anyway.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:12 PM ^
am i the only one who found this funny?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:16 PM ^
the internet is not meant for humor
February 9th, 2009 at 5:17 PM ^
Nope.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:24 PM ^
YES.
.
no.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:26 PM ^
If Tate jumped off a parking structure he would land on two feet, in the end zone, unharmed.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:58 PM ^
Who will hurt more if Tate tweaks his knee - Tate, or RRerabeginsin2009?
That's just sad.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:58 PM ^
Why don't we wait until the Spring game is over before we figure out who will be starting?
If you want negatives on Forcier, I'll list some:
1) size = the kid is not ideal height for a QB but since we play primarily out of shotgun, this factor should be somewhat mitigated
2) level of competition = Tate's level of competition in high school sucked, and he'll need time to adjust to speed of the college game
3) ball protection = Tate is absolutely horrible in terms of protecting the ball when running. Considering that we run a spread read option offense, Tate better learn to protect the ball better.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:58 PM ^
Hi. Do you remember a freshman quarterback named Chad Henne? You know, the guy that took Michigan to a Rose Bowl and lost that game due to the breakout performance by Vince Young?
Just checking.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:05 PM ^
Does the name Braylon Edwards ring a bell?
How about Steve Breaston?
Jason Avant?
Thanks for playing....
I understand its boner-time when some of you think of Tate Forcier, but, he isn't the QB prospect that Chad Henne was coming out of high school.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:11 PM ^
I'm slightly confused, are you trying to disprove my point? Yes, Braylon made highlight reel catches every game, but that doesn't change the fact that Henne's freshman year was pretty spectacular.
My post was to remind people that we had a pretty good freshman quarterback 5 years ago, it'll be pretty hard to top 2700+ yards passing, 25 TDs, and a 1 point loss in the Rose Bowl.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:17 PM ^
I don't need to try to disprove your point. Your comparison is invalid. The talent surrounding Henne as a true frosh is vastly superior than what will be surrounding Tate, if he's even named the starter. Plus, Forcier is NOT the same caliber QB recruit that Henne was coming out of high school. I'm not sure that its even close. Henne could've probably gone to any school he damn well wanted to. I doubt the same was true for Tate.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 PM ^
i think tacopants is just trying to say that tate being the "best frosh ever" is extremely unlikely considering the amazing season Henne put up just a few short years ago.
in short, I think we all agree.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:36 PM ^
Gotcha. TacoPants, I apologize.
And Dex?
Paul Newman as Henry "Shaw" Gondorff > Paul Newman as Luke Jackson
February 9th, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^
I understand, I can see how people can see that post the other way. I just think that some people's expectations and hyperbole for next season are set far too high. If we can't reach that level, they will DEMAND!!!! action.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 PM ^
So your argument is that since Tate is surrounded by possibly inferior talent (since we really don't know how our current players will pan out yet), if he were to start at QB, we can anoint him best freshman Michigan QB evar?
Those balls didn't magically appear around our receivers. We didn't exactly have a run game for half a season either.
So once again, my point was that Henne as a freshman had a pretty spectacular season. Tate, if he starts, will find it hard to duplicate Henne's numbers.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:19 PM ^
That is likely for a reason, meaning he has strong potential but has strides to make first. Chad Henne was a consensus 5*, and had receivers that would catch anything even near them. Patience.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:37 AM ^
Yeah... look, Tate's offer list was impressive. But you have to look at this way: There aren't many quarterbacks who can effectively run the spread option. Tate's offers came from schools looking for a certain quarterback and the most impressive offer (Florida) was clearly depth related as they didn't even manage top 5 consideration. He was not some insanely talented kid who every school had to have.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:08 PM ^
Hi. Do you remember an All-American receiver named Braylon Edwards who caught nearly everything thrown his way and won the Biletnikoff award (#3 pick in NFL draft)? Oh wait, did you meet Mr. Jason Avant and Steven Breaston, two current NFL stars? Well wait, we can't forget about the OL lineup that had Jake Long (#1 pick in NFL draft) and David Baas (2nd round draft pick). Wow, with all that NFL caliber-talent, life sure became easier for Mr. Henne.
Tate would be leading a cast of mostly underclassmen at key skill positions; there isn't a single player on our offense I would think would get drafted this year.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:44 PM ^
Nevermind, see above
February 9th, 2009 at 7:00 PM ^
I never understand why people feel this need to tear down Henne's accomplishments as a true freshman. Yes, he had good receivers - we always do. Should we downgrade Tom Brady's accomplishments, or Elvis Grbac's, or Jim Harbaugh's, because they, too, had good receivers to throw to? Didn't they have good OL in front of them, too?
The fact that Braylon won the Biletnikoff in 2004 is all the more evidence that Henne's freshman year was amazing. Braylon caught more passes for more yards and more TDs playing with the freshman Henne than he did with the senior Navarre the year before! Someone had to put the ball where Braylon could catch it. What Henne did was remarkable and may not be duplicated by another frosh QB here for a long, long time.
(By the way, in 2004 Jake Long was a redshirt freshman and nowhere near the level he'd later reach.)
February 9th, 2009 at 4:12 PM ^
allow me to introduce you to a head coach that had his system and his kind of players in place for about a decade and that had been in the program even longer. Also meet my good friend 10-3, that was Michigan's record the year before Henne took over. I think the others have already introduced you to some of the players returning from that team...
Glad you could join us.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:00 PM ^
I'm setting it at 16.5
February 9th, 2009 at 4:09 PM ^
I'm putting my next paycheck on the under.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:22 PM ^
jamiemac will be here shortly.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:01 PM ^
This is some Bill Walton-esque hyperbole.
Also, not to be a buzzkill, but didn't Tate the Great throw like 15 INTs last year?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:16 PM ^
i'll give these posters a little slack. tate is about the most ready qb to start as a freshman because of all the one on one coaching he's received. he's been coached almost to death and his upside probably isn't as great as a guy like denard's who still needs a lot of coaching. the great thing is we need a qb that can come in at some point this season and make a difference and with tate being so coached up, he looks like a better option than the other recruits who left us. the thing is who knows how good he'll be. look at threet, he had a redshirt year to get coached up and he could hit a receiver on a bubble screen. tate may not be the best freshman qb, but he should be about the most polished.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:24 PM ^
Tate received no more "one-on-one" coaching than any other D-1 QB prospect, the difference being most of the others didn't have their own websites telling you all about it.
Look, I'm excited about Tate. He has the skills set to run Rodriguez's offense the way it needs to operate. But like Jay said, Henne was a higher rated prospect, and so for that matter was Ryan Mallet. This is not our first big time QB recruit, so I wish we'd all stop acting like it. Curb the enthusiasm, manage your expectations, and prepare yourselves for another season of growing pains
February 9th, 2009 at 4:55 PM ^
this has been discussed many times. his parents put him through a lot of extra work and into a charter school so that he would have a flexible schedule. the way he talked in interviews he would train all day and then meet with tutors.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/annarbornews/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1…
like i said above, he may not be the best qb, but he should be the most polished. part of the rating are off of upside and mallet and henne may have had more upside, but they probably weren't as polished when they came in.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:52 PM ^
Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope we are way wrong!
"Curb the enthusiasm, manage your expectations, and prepare yourselves for another season of growing pains"
February 9th, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^
.....but I am taking the Under on all those stats and win totals in your original post.
How are we even sure this kid is going to be higher than #3 on the depth chart? We dont even know if he's going to be the best freshmen QB on the roster, let alone the starter.
He could be behind Threet and Robinson come September and it would not surprise me in the least.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
Why stop there?
How about:
13-0
Throw for 3500 yards, 40 TDs
Run for 1000 yards, 15 TDs
February 9th, 2009 at 4:39 PM ^
52-0
Throw for 15000 yards, 120 TD's
Run for 4500 yards, 40 TD's
February 9th, 2009 at 4:39 PM ^
Hey, I did it in NCAA '09. How hard can it be!?!?!
February 9th, 2009 at 4:37 PM ^
Anonymosity, those stats are pretty weak.
its TATE FORCIER. My post i was jk with stats I didnt want to get too hype..
But for real..
Freshman Yr:
passing: 3853 yards 45 tds
rushing: 1,323 yards 21 tds
Soph yr:
passing: 4321 yards 46 tds
rushing: 743 yards 17 tds
Jr yr:
passing: 4453 yards 53 tds
rushing: 1,210 yards 19 tds
Sr Yr:
passing: 5,232 yards 61 tds
rushing: 1,521 yards 25 tds
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 PM ^
Better, closer, warmer.
Who knows what kind of numbers he'll put up. One thing is for sure, though- these numbers will fall somewhere below TEBOW.
Sorry.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 PM ^
JK. But Tate will throw up big numbers his FRESHMEN yr. I think.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^
The deadline passed. Your OP was serious.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:02 PM ^
over/under has been moved to 13.5
February 9th, 2009 at 5:24 PM ^
...taking the under.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:39 PM ^
I really wish they'd quit sending those lead painted toys over here.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:41 PM ^
Seriously, 9 or 10 wins? The Big Ten will be weak next year, but don't expect these numbers until 2010.