We're already playing Alabama and Notre [L]ame, doesn't that grant us a "One-Free Cupcake" coupon?
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We're already playing Alabama and Notre [L]ame, doesn't that grant us a "One-Free Cupcake" coupon?
What if @ND gets replaced with a home game against a decent opponent.
with ND for the next few years so I dont think we can just replace them
Technically, there's no contract in place between Michigan and Notre Dame so we COULD take some time off from the series, however Dave Brandon said on WTKA that the Notre Dame game in 2012 was a definite.
Would you be surprised, though, if he came out and said that ND and Michigan agreed to take a 1 or 3 year hiatus? (I have the odd number so that ND would be on the opposite home/away schedule as OSU and Nebraska.)
Of course not, in fact I expect it. Just not in 2012.
Alabama, ND, Nebraska, and tOSU?
Non-conference snacky cake plz
a road game in Hawai'i?
Now that's a hell of a road trip.
would be fuuuuun in the suuun.
Well right now there are still 2 non conference openings.
filled with D-1AA and MAC opponent to counter act the Bama and ND non-conference games.
None of this highly ranked I-AA team nonsense.
comes out of playing against a highly ranked I-AA teams. Highly ranked I-AA teams are better than bottom feeder I-A teams, and can compete with most I-A teams. See the HORROR in '07, James Madison this season for example.
Not sure I'd include JMU (5-5 this year, unranked) as a highly-ranked FCS team, but point taken.
IMO, JMU (6-5 in 2009) upsetting #13 VT in Blacksburg trumps the two-time defending FCS national champion beating #5 U-M at the Big House.
How about no I-AA teams, period? UMass is not that highly ranked, but they gave us a game. There's just no upside to playing those games.
the rest of the schedule is not filled out this week. This week being HARD EDGE week and all, the opponents would probably be the Patriots and the Steelers just to make sure the week stays HARD EDGE enough.
"Gotta beat the best to be the best. Wait, we have Alabama on the schedule? That would qualify as the 'the best' right? Oh, shit that is tough. Uhhh, lets give Baby Seal U a call again."
Jay, you've got 99 problems but reasoning ain't one.
@ Ohio State
Alabama at a neutral site, but I would bet there will be a majority Bama contingent
I want to shoot for the stars and play a monster OOC opponent each year, too, but adding SC to that slate is just plain suicidal.
I haven't heard what the outcome is yet but DB did say they were working on another "interesting" matchup. Plus UN on the schedule, noone can question the W-L record with a schedule like that.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Not that anything is set in stone, but I thought I remember someone saying that the 2 openings remaining in 2012 won't necessarily be filled both by cupcakes.
Considering the already hellish schedule, my definition of interesting would be watching us kick the tar out of a podunk school by 72 points.
I wouldn't mind the team scheduling another UConn-type team - from a BCS conference but not an elite program. Like, I'm sure it would not ever happen, but maybe a team from the ACC like Virginia or a team from the BE like Rutgers. A good program, but still not a soul-crusher. Then the tastiest of snackcakes for the other game.
Anyone know what ever happened to FAU being on the schedule? There was a report a long time ago that the deal was almost done for a game in 2012 and then nothing has come out since.
I say, Bring It On. Enough of these cupcake games that cause us to increase our expectations to insurmountable levels. Let's see what we've really got at the start of the season against a couple of top-10 opponents.
Enough with the macho crap. Every team needs breathers in the schedule. You know what would happen if we were to play four tough, physical games out of conference? We'd enter conference play physically beaten up and emotionally drained.
Don't be a pussy. There will be plenty of bottom dweller big10 teams to feast on, plus a bye week here or there.
and you would probably be the first to start complaining about a poor W/L record
because you say outlandish things and you replace "S" with "$" in OSU and USC, not because you have negative points.
With all the flack we pile on OSU, I've always wondered why this board is against the O$U sign. Care to enlighten me?
a couple top 10 teams would consist of @ Nebraska, @ OSU, neutral vs Bama. Not to mention we play MSU, Iowa at home. I would rather not play 3 top 10 and 6 top 25 teams in on season. 5 top 25 teams is enough, not to mention we will have to play the B10 championship game if we get that far. So potentially, if we schedule another OOC top 25 team, we could play 7 ranked opponents in one year, including 3 in the top 10 on the road or at a neutral site. No thank you, give me western kentucky and eastern michigan please.
My view is that a top-10 OOC schedule will elevate our big-10 play. I would much rather lose the OOC games if it meant we would be more competitive during big-10 play and especially during the later part of the season. There is no upside to scheduling cupcakes. If you win, then it was expected. If you don't win by 50, then people grumble. If you lose, then people write off your season. If we can show that we are competitive against the powerhouses early in the season, even if we lose, it will build confidence in our players and coaches at a crucial point in the season, and earn the respect of the media, recruits, analysts, and those who actually have a non-superficial view of football.
You also have to keep in mind that the goal every year is the Rose Bowl and Big Ten Championship. If our OOC schedule prepares us for that then it has done its job.
I see your point, but with a veteran group in 2012, I would love to have a shot at a national title. Lose 1 of these games and you are ok, but lose 2 and you are out of the picture. playing 5 top 25 opponents is enough to jack up your strength of schedule (especially with the road games and an additional road game @ ND who i am not counting in the top 25. Look at BSU, they play cupcakes all year and 2 top 25 opponents and they are #3 in the nation. Granted, they won't be playing for a Nat'l barring a miracle. Play 5 top 25 teams with a 6th in the B10 Championship game and you are almost guaranteed a spot in the Nat'l title with a B10 title win and 1 loss throughout the regular season. Another top 25 team does nothing for you if you lose, other than hurt you. Schedule a cuppy cake and get an additional easy win. Also, think about INJURIES that come from playing good physical teams. We could use a cuppy cake or 2 with the brutal schedule we have to REST.
I see your point too. The probability of us playing in the MNC game any year is very small, though. I'd rather the team just focus on getting better in big10 play first, and good way to do that is scheduling marquee OOC games. That kind of competition will make everyone work harder--players, coaches, recruiting, etc. and it will build confidence in young players.
There's so much parity nowadays in college football that a supposed "cupcake" may be more competitive than you expect. there's very little upside to scheduling them.
EMU? That's all I've got haha. PLZ no more competitive FCS schools.
I would love for Michigan to Boise State or TCU in their place. In 2012 they will have the skills to easily do it.
a few weeks ago when the Bama Game was made official that a source of his said that one of the home game non-conference opponents willl really surprise people, that it will NOT be a cupcake at all. didn't get specific with the type of team this could be, but i'm thinking it will be a UCONN type, perhaps a UTAH type from a few years ago, that sort of thing.
so that would make Bama in Dallas, @ND, Decent team like UCONN at HOme, and then Cupcake at home as our Nonconf. Then we'd head to @NEB, @OSU plus MSU and Iowa at home, amongst others......
it'll be interesting, wonder when we'll hear about it.....
In the current bcs system I will not understand playing top quality programs. We are in a bcs conferance which is plenty tough already. I would rather see 4 cupcakes where we just blow them out for style points then a coin flip with another big team. One loss in this current system will remove us from a possible national championship.
Don't get me wrong I love big games because they are more exciting but I'd rather take the sure win and keep us on top.
I thought I remembered there being talks about adding BYU to the schedule?
UM has one 1 title in the last 50 years. Lets not act like NOT winning the title or being in the hunt makes your program a failure. If we have a couple seasons with multiple losses then so be it.
I'd rather see UM play a great OOC every year then play all cupcakes and roll the dice in Big Ten play and a shot at a MNC. Then you are no better than Wisc. How many of us ridicule their joke OOC year in year out. And b/c of this WISC MUST go undefeated to play in the title. A one loss Wisc will never play in the title. And don't think that can't happen to UM (see 2006).
UM should set the standard for others. Kids want to play in BIG GAMES. not just national title games. You tell a kid we have Bama ,USC, UF, OU lined up over the next 10 years they will want some of that. You win some you lose some. If you win you spring board a big year. You lose you know what to work on and move on.
Losing 1 OOC to a legit power will not be looked down upon in the polls. If anything it will help when you are later piling up wins and that team you loss to is cruising along too.
I say 1 super power. ND. 1 mid tier BCS squad(historical 7win team). 1 cupcake every season. If we can't beat ND or a mid tier BCS team(maryland,texas tech, ASU, Pitt, s carolina) then we don't deserve a shot at the title anyways. UM could still lose to teh superpower and still play in the MNC anyways.
and since most superpowers won't sign up for home and homes I say we do neutral site games. The pay day can be generous at the right venue and the right team. most importantly like DB said its like an early season bowl game.
Most of the superpowers will do home & homes. Ohio State had home & home with USC in 2008–09. Alabama has Penn State in 2010–2011. Oklahoma has Tennessee in 2014–15. Miami (YTM) has Nebraska in 2014–15. Texas has Notre Dame in 2015–16.
I don’t think Brandon is planning on making a habit of neutral-site games. Jerry Jones offered him an extravagant sum to play Alabama in Arlington, but it also means Michigan will have only six home games that year. Rich folks and big corporations didn’t buy the luxury suites at Michigan Stadium so that they could watch the Wolverines play Alabama on TV.
In general, Brandon will want a minimum of seven home games, and unless the Big Ten goes to nine-game conference schedule, he’ll want to have eight at home some years (as they did in 2009, and will again in 2011).
With road games at ND, OSU, and Nebraska, plus Alabama as a de facto road game, I don’t think Brandon will be looking to make the schedule any more challenging in 2012. There are plenty of teams these days that schedule four cupcakes out-of-conference. Nobody will criticize Michigan for scheduling two.
Brandon did say that he is looking for more marquee opponents in the out-years, but not in 2012.
Don't forget this will be Denards senior year and we will finally finally finally be a veteran group!
Why schedule 2 (Maybe 3 if ND improves by then) OOC games??? The big ten slate is hard enough. We will be playing AT LEAST 5 top 25 teams, @Nebraska, @ OSU, @ ND, MSU, IOWA, neutral ALABAMA, B10 championship. 3 of those teams will likely be in the top 10 (NEB, OSU, Bama). Even with a veteran group it's highly unlikely that any team could get through that schedule unscathed. Why add another and make it virtually impossible? Not to mention the injury situation. Healthy teams are a must if you are going to win in the big ten, and scheduling 2 or 3 top 25 OOC teams is a great way to get players hurt and give them no time to rest before the long haul of the b10 slate.
Lets do UCF home and home, this way future Dr. Phillips or Pahokee or whatever other pipeline in Florida can see us slaughter them without having to travel far.
Does no one think that playing @ND, @OSU, @Nebraska, neutral Alabama, MSU, IOWA, B10 Championship is hard enough? That's going to result in a lot of injuries. Schedule some patty cakes so guys have a chance to heal before big games. Trust me that schedule right there with 2 cupcakes is a top 10 Strength of schedule. Why add another top 25 team and make it No. 1 SOS. Does no one want to play for a national title when denard is a senior and we have a veteran group?
I think cupcakes are under-rated. I like cupcakes and usually want more of them. Yumm!
I normally love tough schedules...after all, this is Michigan & we shouldn't be afraid to play ANYBODY...but 2012 is already a "killer schedule" with games v Alabama @ Dallas, @ ND, @ Nebraska & @ OSU!!
While I'm not a fan of scheduling a "cupcake" at any time, I think our 2012 schedule is already one of the toughest & we should schedule a "weaker" opponent at home. No App. St. or UMass but a MAC school would be fine with me.
I, for one, can't wait for 2012...going to do my best to get to Dallas for the 'Bama game!! GO, BLUE!!