The Four Quadrant College Football Argument

Submitted by Coffee_Addict on November 2nd, 2022 at 7:46 PM

The Four Quadrant College Football Argument

After the first college football playoff standings for 2021, the recurring argument came up again regarding group of five teams such as Cincinnati and where they should be placed in the ranking. They look good with an undefeated record, but their competition may not be as strong as other teams. Is it fair? Cincinnati had beaten a top ten team in Notre Dame and handled everyone else on their schedule. This turns into a never-ending argument about who is a better team and who has beaten tougher opponents. Each year we hear the same thing, and no one seems to be in complete agreement. Cincinnati losing to Alabama didn’t help either. So this got me thinking regarding how a different system would look like.

The new system to expand the playoffs to 12 teams should solve a lot, but I don’t believe it’s the solution that we want as fans. There will still be the same arguments for who should be included or left out. There needs to be a more fair structure in place so that these discussions do not have to take place each and every year. If we have to rely on the subjective picks of a committee, then there is always the chance that fairness is left out and bias wins.

Imagine for a minute that there was no such thing as conferences for college football. How would you structure the teams across the U.S.? How would you make it fair? This was my solution and how it would look like. It is something that could potentially work well for everyone involved, given that every college program would “buy in” to a new system. (Yes, we can all dream, no?)

Paying attention to soccer (Liverpool fan here), the leagues they have set up makes a lot of sense. In this system, the top conferences are supported by lower leagues. It allows for a system of relegation and promotion and each team plays each other to see who wins, stays up or promoted, and who is ultimately relegated. Each match is important and even those with losing records will fight harder to stay in the top league.

Though, is it transferrable to the college football game? I happen to think it would work quite well. It removes the discussion of what teams deserves to be at the top subjectively by a committee and provides a structure for giving everyone a fair chance to reach the top without arguments for playing an easy schedule.

No more will there be easy FCS opponents that teams can use to increase their wins. No more will there be arguments of an easy schedule for one team and tougher for another. No more would one loss remove someone from the discussion of a playoff spot.

What Would Be Some Potential Benefits?

  1. Top division games will have top TV revenue and always draw national attention. Each game will have meaning because now there is a lesser chance that any team will go undefeated. Teams will constantly have to fight each game to stay in the top division. Losing a game will not have as much of an impact as it used to. Losses are in comparison to other teams in the division. Group of 5 teams will have a chance to move up to a higher division and show that they deserve a spot in playoffs and amongst the Power 5 teams.
  2. Teams can work towards promotion to the top league and use this as incentive for recruits. It will also spread out the recruits to more teams than just a select few at the top as it is now. Each team will work hard to stay in the top division and win each year. Players would transfer to different schools for a shot to play at the top division or leave a team that was relegated.
  3. No Group of 5 teams will have an argument that they are a better team. If they win, they get promoted. Coaches may even stay at a school with the understanding that they will be able to eventually play for a national championship.

How it Would Work:

  • Four quadrants of teams based on location providing four pathways to the playoffs. The West, Midwest, Southeast, and Northeast.
  • One team is auto-promoted each season from the lower division while the lowest team in the top division is relegated. The second top team in the lower division will play a “bowl game” with the second lowest team in the higher division to see who will play in the higher division the following year. This will bring meaning back to bowl games. It will also remove many redundant bowl games unless these are kept just for playing cross division opponents or rivals at the end of the season.
  • There will no more realignments or changes in conferences.
  • TV rights can be split between the quadrants. As FOX and ESPN are splitting the TV rights in half as it is, then it should be easy for each network to have control over two quadrants. The West and Northeast for FOX and Midwest and Southeast for ESPN. As there will be new teams promoted each season, every year will not include the same teams which will help maintain revenue and intrigue. FOX/ESPN can work out a current deal to make this system work within a couple years with the help of the NCAA.
  • Divisions will consist of 13 top teams and 12 games played so everyone plays everyone. Everybody plays everybody and one loss may not have as much of an impact that it would in the older structure. Premier matchups will matter every week. For the lower divisions with more than 13 teams, there may be some crossover games between divisions as needed. Downside is that each major program will not have their normal 8 home games to rely on for revenue.
  • Even though the team rankings will no longer rely on the AP/Coach's polls, these can still be voted on each week to nominate top teams across each quadrant.

Separating the Four Quadrants:

As I thought how this might work, two questions came up.

  1. How do you create the four quadrants?
  2. Who will start in the top division?

Some of the factors to consider were:

  1. Rivalries
    1. Notre Dame plays many games across the country. Could these rivalry games be kept? Could these games be played in a bowl game at the end of season?
    2. Trophy games. Could you keep all of them?
    3. Top rivalry games. Can all of these be kept in the four-quadrant system?
    4. Power 5 teams. Aim is to keep as many as possible in the top divisions and keep an even split between the quadrants.
  2. Travel (regional games)
    1. Western quadrant would have some long-distance games no matter how you set it up.
    2. What could you sacrifice for competition in order to gain fairness for each quadrant? 
  3. Current conference alignment impact
    1. Texas and Oklahoma won’t be happy moving away from SEC and then get stuck to play their old foes once again. But if stronger teams can be added to the quadrant in the Midwest, it may help with some of the original issues regarding revenue. Also, if too many tough teams are moved to the Midwest quadrant, Texas may find itself in the lower division which will not make their fans very happy.
    2. Newly promoted teams to FBS can be added to the lowest division without any major impact to the structure already set in place.

The second thing I did was to see the strength of each team based on the final College Football Playoff Rankings (CFP) over the past ten years. This year is with the newest playoff ranking just released on November 1st. Each team was given points 1-25 based on their final standing. For any Power 5 team who was not ranked, they got 30 points and each Group of 5 teams got 35 points as a handicap. It seemed fair to give the Power 5 teams a better point set up due to playing harder teams each season (This can be subject to change, of course). Eventually this will even out as the new system gets going and the old phased out.

The next step was to use the quadrant system, location, and rankings to separate each team to each division. The split on the U.S. map for each quadrant looked like this.

And here is the breakdown for each quadrant and the teams for each. 

Separating Teams to Create a Fair Bracket

Overall, the top portion of the divisions has a good group of teams. The Southeast and Northeast quadrants would have the toughest divisions, but moving teams from Mississippi and Louisiana over to the Midwest helped to mitigate some of the top-heavy portion of the Southeast quadrant. Yes, this meant having to split up the SEC, but in all fairness, this will make the Midwest division a very good one and without any major shortfalls while keeping the Southeast fairly competitive. The only somewhat easy division would be in the West, but no matter how I looked at it, these teams are weak in general. I did add in UTEP to the west as it made sense given UTEP’s location. I also moved Memphis to the Midwest quadrant as this seemed to be a better fit.

Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Kansas are all without ranking points and would be stuck in a tie breaker. I kept Nebraska as the team with the top division, based on historical rankings pre-2013. Tennessee and Kentucky made the top division because of this current season.

Potential Effect on Bowl Games and National Championship Game

  1. Top team in each division will go to the playoffs (2 bowls + 1 national championship bowl). Very similar to the current CFP setup. This can easily be expanded to the top 2 teams in each quadrant or even the top 12 teams with the top 4 getting byes.
  2. 2nd lowest team in higher division will play the second highest team in lower division for promotion/relegation. This equals out to 4 bowls plus 2 additional for SE and NE divisions as they have 3 divisions.
  3. All other teams could have bowl invitations as deemed appropriate by bowl committees

How would this look like for Michigan?

This new system would be extremely beneficial for Michigan. In general, it would be mean matchups each week that keeps the main rivalries with Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and to some level Penn State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. We would, as of the current set up, have our trophy game with Northwestern but lose out on the Brown Jug with Minnesota. Though, this rivalry doesn’t have to be played each year and can be there whenever Minnesota is promoted.

We would get new matchups that would be interesting to watch including Cincinnati, West Virginia, and Matt Campbell’s Iowa State!

Penn State will have Pittsburgh and Iowa would be able to play Iowa State.

 

What are your thoughts on this structure? If you have any comments that would fit into this, please let me know. I wouldn’t mind expanding on this concept and make another post if there is significant interest.

 

Comments

Frieze Memorial

November 2nd, 2022 at 11:03 PM ^

I didn't read this but I did scroll through it completely.  There appeared to be a chart that looked impressive.  Therefore I'm recommending this becomes law, effective immediately. 

I'mTheStig

November 2nd, 2022 at 11:11 PM ^

I thought the NCAA quadrant system is for comparing a teams strength/consistency by the quality of wins and losses and organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking?

MichiganiaMan

November 3rd, 2022 at 5:28 AM ^

I deeply, DEEPLY oppose any sort of proposal for a relegation model. We have to stop screwing with a good thing before we truly break it. College football fans only want five things:

  • A schedule that includes ONE annual matchup against chief rivals, a few games against comparable programs, and a couple of guaranteed wins in between.
  • For every single game to count. The regular season IS the playoff in college football.
  • To see the very best teams THAT HAVE YET TO PLAY EACH OTHER go head to head at the end of the season. 
  • To gripe and complain at the end of the season. College football is fun BECAUSE it's so messy. We're at our most nostalgic when we're debating probable outcomes for the matchups that didn't happen.
  • To die with a belly full of wine and a who.... well, nevermind.

The game would be much better off if everyone adopted a scaled down version of Seth's conference showcase proposal (limited to a conferences's top 6-8 teams). After that, pick four teams and let's get on with it. 

DonAZ

November 3rd, 2022 at 11:45 AM ^

We're at our most nostalgic when we're debating probable outcomes for the matchups that didn't happen.

I've argued that the pre-BCS and pre-playoff system was better for this very reason.  It gave us the opportunity to spend the entire offseason discussing why our team was better than [fill in the blank].  It was great fun. 

I recall Michigan and Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl in 1976.  Michigan lost 14-6, in large measure because Oklahoma's defensive line featured the awesome Leroy and Dewey Selmon.  Michigan had 199 yards total offense that game.  Despite that, I spent many a happy hour coming up with reasons why, under just the right set of circumstances, Michigan should have been ranked higher than 5 in the AP poll.

ShadowStorm33

November 3rd, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^

It's not exactly a winner's mentality, but despite the NCAA tournament being widely considered one of if not the greatest framework in sports, I feel like in many ways the bowl system (especially the pre-CFP bowl system) is a more satisfying setup for most teams. With bowl games, half the participating teams get to end their season on a high note with a win. In basketball by contrast, with conference tournaments leading into the NCAA tournament, all but three or four teams (NCAA, NIT and whatever other tournaments are out there) end their seasons with a loss. And sure, getting far in the tournament is satisfying (Sweet Sixteen and especially Elite Eight and Final Four), but unless you're a team for whom just making the tournament is a big accomplishment (like the early Beilein teams), I feel like a bowl win is more satisfying than a second round NCAA exit. 

And this is probably a pretty hot take, but for teams that regularly make the tournament as an at-large bid but don't get out of the first weekend, I'd almost think winning the NIT would be more satisfying than a first or second round NCAA exit.

WestQuad

November 4th, 2022 at 7:50 AM ^

This!   The old system was much much better than the garbage we have now.  I can say that authoritatively now that Michigan was in the CFP.   Under the old system we would have either played in the National Championship losing to Georgia or would have curb stomped Cincinnati and complained about being passed over for the National championship, but it would have been our fault for losing to state.  The old system of having a 50% chance of beating your last opponent in a bowl was awesome.  Adding up your conference wins and losses to have that debate over who was better was great and gave you a reason to root for your conference.  
 

The proposed system is actually far better than what we have, but gtfo with soccer shit.   The conference system was great before all of the tv expansion.  Beat up on the kids in your neighborhood and then have your neighborhood take on the rest of the country.  Money ruins everything.

Vasav

November 3rd, 2022 at 7:15 PM ^

I used to think "promotion/relegation is dumb," and like, man the Rod-Hoke years would've sucked so much worse had it been around. And 2020??? Man. I also used to think "also it'll never happen" but then again - with super conferences, and TCU/Utah/BYU/Cincy/UCF/L'ville all playing their way into the Power 5, and the fanciest "brands" joining the fanciest conferences, I guess it's effectively happening anyway.

I don't hate this as much as I thought I would. Altho I'm slightly offended to see Texas in the Midwest, and the Great lakes aren't. Call them south central. jk. The other thing is, ND almost breaks any regional system. They're a national team, and have been since the 1920s. They were one of the first teams on TV in the 1950s, they broke the CFA and started all the conference shenanigans to start the 1990s. But yea, I have come to accept that CFB is going to change and I will complain but honestly this change accomplishes your top 3 goals, except when rivals get demoted. I still don't tihnk it'll happen but I don't think it's dumber than super conferences. So there's that.

Blinkin

November 3rd, 2022 at 7:33 AM ^

My only complaint is that you used the word "Midwest" for a region that includes Louisiana and Mississippi but excludes Iowa and Illinois.  

CriticalFan

November 3rd, 2022 at 9:30 AM ^

I think it is weird that only the first and the worst team in the top divisions get any kind of postseason.

You get fewer games/practices, exposure & revenue for finishing 2-7th than for finishing 8th and winning?

If the answer is in your article somewhere, i didn't see it because my eyes glazed over somewhere in the middle.

jakerblue

November 3rd, 2022 at 10:42 AM ^

I don’t love the idea of relegation for non-professionals.

and with recruiting being so critical to college it seems like it would be a lot harder to climb back up because it will be way harder to recruit after being relegated. Seems like it might be even worse for any kind of attempt at better parity

MDSup3rDup3

November 3rd, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^

I've kicked this idea around in the past and I think this is a good start, but here's my thoughts. 13 teams per division is too many (I get that this was to keep a 12 team regular season). 10 per quadrant seems like the sweet spot and it allows the other 3 games per year (if schools insist on keeping 12 game schedules) to be used to fill in historical rivalries or schedule buy games. You could even make this a preseason of sorts and only count divisional games. 

There are 131 FBS teams and 130 FCS teams, so we have 261 total schools that sponsor football at the Division 1 level. Dividing it by 4 leaves us with 65 schools in each quadrant (66 in 1). This could allow for the creation of 10 team quadrants at the top division and 10-12 team quadrants below feeding up. Even if you simply keep this FBS only, you can make 3 divisions with 10 team quadrants. Top 3 teams in each quadrant can qualify and let the bowls figure out the cross quadrant games to end the year. But this make every game matter. As you said, relegation battles are some of the most exciting games. I'd love watching the horror as Staee fights for their life this weekend against Illinois to stay up. Great idea, just needs some revision to smooth things out.

Vasav

November 3rd, 2022 at 8:22 PM ^

I think the FCS/FBS distinction is important, at least at the start - if the majority of FCS schools (meaning basically everyone but the SWAC, MEAC and Ivy) want to do this that's fine, but remember that UMass was a damn good FCS school once upon a time. The gap is very real and makes JMU even more impressive.

I do agree that 10 team leagues is ideal, with 3 tune-up/rivalry games. I also think that this may result in the Big Ten West (minus Purdue) being part of the "Midwest" quadrant, as it would even up the teams between NE/MW and make the MW stronger.

Scheduling would be a pain here - are weeknights reserved for lower divisions - wednesday night MACtion, Thursday night FunBelt and Big East? Do the top leagues set their own TV deals, do they work together, is it done nationally? Do they also organize the lower tiers?

Like I said up above, this is a much better idea than super conferences.

thegotmac

November 3rd, 2022 at 5:08 PM ^

Promotion/Relegation is a fun thought experiment for CFB, but I think there are some pitfalls/side effects here - 

(1) Free transfers mean teams that get relegated would likely have more players transfer away, making it harder to get promoted again.

(2) This structure also makes the fbs equivalent of 'Cinderella' teams rarer.  The media won't be talking about 2022 Kansas going from 0 wins to 5-0 if they're in the second tier.  Think about 2007 as well - Kansas, Mizzou, and South Florida (!!) were all ranked in the top 5 at some point; this structure eliminates some of that surprise.

Vasav

November 3rd, 2022 at 8:38 PM ^

Yea 2007 was special except for that one upset that wasn't. And least year was crazy too. I think one thing tho is this - CFB already has a hierarchy, and has had one for a long time. Promotion and relegation does exist - iTCU, L'Ville, Utah and now BYU, Cincy and UCF have all been "promoted," and the SEC has been the premier super-conference for 15 years now, only challenged by the Big Ten, a couple of ACC programs (Clemson now, FSU briefly 6-8 years ago), and rarely OU, UT, Oregon and USC. 3 of those programs have essentially been "promoted" to either the super SEC or it's main challenger, and the other 2...frankly would if they could, and may well do so.

I think the expanded CFP deals with a lot of the things that has led to the super conferences, but a regionalized college football scene would be nice. it would be nice for West Virginia to play their local rivals even if they're going to just finish in the middle of their league. It would be nice if West Coast football wasn't subsumed as an afterthought into a couple of coast-to-coast conferences.

Regarding the transfer rule - I think a fair amount of folks no what sort of program they're signing up for. Already, these guys are looking for a mix of playing time and top level competition to make it to the NFL. A team that gets promoted up may be able to take some of the guys from the school that gets booted down, but I don't think it's too different from Bo Nix leaving Auburn or Caleb Williams leaving Oklahoma. On the flip side you'd see guys stuck on the depth chart at places like Bama or Michigan and filling in, or KW3 leaving WF for a place like MSU. It'd be ok.

MGoneBlue

November 4th, 2022 at 3:05 AM ^

My solution to everything - Chaos Relegation!  12-team Champions League play round robin, top two teams then play for the National Championship.  Lower tier keeps their conference and BCS bowl system.  Bowls are #12 vs #13 (best lower level team), #11 vs 14, and so on.  Loser gets relegated.  Finally, to preserve rivalries, there's a We Want Bama clause where a traditional rival can force a bowl game against a historic rival - for example a #14 MSU can choose to face #3 Michigan instead of #11 Oklahoma.  All rivalries are preserved provided both teams are any good.