WTKA Roundtable 11/11/2021: They Didn't Disappoint Comment Count

Seth November 11th, 2021 at 10:26 AM

Things discussed:

  • Indiana game: commercials are out of control. Veneer of commercialism was completely off with a 7:30pm game that has as many ads as the Super Bowl. It felt like a MAC game.
  • Indiana’s offense was hopeless—didn’t do anything that bothers Michigan.
  • IU wasn’t running to the field because Michigan put Barrett in there—IU’s plan was to option off Hutchinson.
  • Ojabo: 17 snaps and looked like an NFL 1st rounder. Damn.
  • Penn State preview: Watch out for Jahan Dotson. Injuries to their QB’s legs and their best DT have given them weaknesses they didn’t have before. PSU’s player development isn’t great so they’re very good where talent shows (DB) and not great at positions where coaching matters more (OL).
  • But weird things happen vs. Penn State.
  • How down are we on Gattis? Sam has no issues, Seth has issues in the run game. Stretch zone worked against IU, seems like a good fit for some of their players, but Sam thinks Michigan isn’t going to do that instead of inside zone, never mind that they’re not able to run it from their setup.
  • Pass concepts are good, Sam wants more JJ in the red zone, Seth is singing McNamara’s praises. Boils down to whether you think it’s on the players or the coaches that Joel Honigford is running a bad route.
  • Try this: Don’t play anything during commercials. Let it be quiet.
  • Michigan over Michigan State in the playoff: Brian thinks head to head should be what matters most, the rest of us say if the playoff committee watched that game and thought Michigan was the better team, who are we to argue?
  • Hoops vs Buffalo: Williams had a great game, so did Buffalo’s Williams, who was hitting a lot of 2PJs to make up for his teammates missing their threes. Diabate showed vision, athleticism.
  • Houstan had a hard time staying in front of guards—probably needs to be playing the four, which changes how you figure out Michigan’s lineups.
  • Buffalo is going to be a good team, especially when they can play small instead of putting those goombas out to slow Dickinson.
  • Ever seen three double techs before?
  • Devante’ Jones is more advanced than Mike Smith was early.
  • MSU and OSU basketball: MSU is weird, OSU might be bad.

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Comments

amedema

November 11th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^

Sam is really good at his job of carrying water for the coaches. Gattis has called the occasional good game (MSU this year was really good), but his game planning definitely leaves a lot to be desired. 

MGolem

November 11th, 2021 at 11:14 AM ^

I don’t think Houstan’s performance against a bunch of super twitchy athletes, in his first college game mind you, definitively proves he is incapable of playing the 3. There are plenty of teams with just guys at the 3 and even the 2 spot. He will get better. There are probably teams that can exploit his lack of elite lateral quickness but that can be planned around on a game to game basis. 

MGlobules

November 11th, 2021 at 11:37 AM ^

Brian doesn't appear to be saying that head to head matters most, but that the final score matters most. Which is reductive, and unpersuasive. "Head to head," unless you're utterly Manichean/black/white in your thinking ought to include everything that transpires when two teams play, no? 

But again, be our nattering nabob of negativity, friends. :) There's just so much other awful stuff out there that I personally, am choosing to celebrate the accomplishment to date. 
 

Teeba

November 11th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^

Head-to-head should not matter the most. It is only one factor. Is Purdue better than MSU because Purdue beat MSU? Yes, but Purdue is 6-3 and MSU is 8-1, so in a ranking of 130 college football teams, MSU is probably going to come out ahead of Purdue in most systems. The rankings are about finding the best teams, in aggregate. There are going to be weird situations where one team just matches up better against another, even though if you play a full round robin, the former team will have a worse record than the latter. 

MSU beat UofM at home while getting outgained by 157 yards and benefiting from a replay official who doesn't know what the meaning of the word, "indisputable," is. I'm of the opinion that the home field advantage in college football is worth more than 3 points, but that's the common estimate. Does anyone really think that MSU is 1 point better than Michigan on a neutral field? If we play them 7 times, we probably win 5 of those, and the committee's rankings reflect that.

michengin87

November 11th, 2021 at 11:46 AM ^

I personally generally like the music at UM games, Don't Stop Believin', Mr Brightside, etc.  When it's UM - MSU, music doesn't matter, but when it's a 21+ point spread, music matters.

Last weekend, ESPN talked about how Phil Collin's "In the Air Tonight" is such a big hit with NFL players.  As a guy who grew up listening to Phil and Genesis, I would definitely be on board with adding this to the Big House repertoire.

Gustavo Fring

November 11th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^

I don't think Houstan necessarily needs to play the 4, but his closeout technique needs work and he plays too upright.  Still he has good instincts and made a couple of nice plays off ball.

T Will can help here though.  He can guard the more dynamic wing when he's out there and allow Houstan to play the 4.  To an extent this applies to Johns too.  The problem is Houstan needs some strength work too and may get bullied a bit by Big Ten 4's.  I'm sure Juwan will figure it out, he has a lot of chess pieces to play with.

Beaublue

November 11th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^

Can't there be a middle ground on the music?   Used to be you could get to the game a little early and enjoy the warmup.   You could hear some actual football sounds and catch up with your seatmates.   Now the music (it's like an acoustic assault and I am sure the sound level wouldn't be allowed by OSHA in any workplace environment) prohibits any of that.   So now instead of getting to my seat 45-60 minutes early, I time my arrival for kickoff.

I enjoy Journey and Mr. Brightside but does every second from an hour pregame to an hour postgame have to be filled with artificial noise?   That pro style stadium environment is the reason I have stopped going to NFL games.  

Blue Vet

November 11th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

I assume that sometime back in the day—1990s?—some consultant did some study that concluded a crowd's energy rises when loud music is piped in.

 

That conclusion may be accurate. That below conscious complaints, our lizard brains ARE energized by loud noise.

But what if it's just one study, and wrong? Have we been subjected to loud noise simply because of a stupid idea constantly repeated?

Blake Forum

November 11th, 2021 at 12:12 PM ^

I realize this is my bugaboo and maybe no one else cares, but can we all please stop saying that Penn State has "better" recruiting classes than Michigan? Their current class is ranked well above ours, yes, and that may well bear out in the end. But over the previous three cycles, Michigan's class was ranked higher on the 247 composite than Penn State's in each year. 

Penn State is consistently the third-best recruiting program in the conference, after Ohio State and Michigan. They're close enough to Michigan that it's "comparable," and they also do a better job getting transfers, so their 247 "talent composite" rating is usually higher. But the fact that the media thinks James Franklin is a recruiting whiz doesn't change the numbers, which favor Michigan.

Seth

November 11th, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^

The schools are close enough in recruiting but I would definitely put Penn State above Michigan as far as the quality of talent that they have attracted. You look at a guy like Brisker: that is a community college kid that all the SEC schools came after like a five-star. Michigan can't even get a community college kid in, and we drop out when recruitments start going the way that Brisker's did. Composite does not tell you things like it's harder to recruit cornerbacks and defensive tackles, and Penn State has done much better there. Ironically it hasn't helped them because they are way thinner r than we are right now at DT. I would take their fourth cornerback in a heartbeat right now.

Blake Forum

November 11th, 2021 at 2:38 PM ^

I sincerely appreciate the nuanced reply, but doesn't the fact that Michigan gets more guys drafted and has more guys on NFL rosters kinda negate this? And if we really go into the weeds, I'd argue Michigan's penchant for finding 3-stars who become draft picks outstrips PSU and OSU (tho perhaps not some of the teams that are forced to be scrappier in crootin'). It's probably true that PSU gets more high-end guys than Michigan (I could go check, but they seem to have more five-stars on the roster most of the time), but Michigan appears to find more depth--I'd wager we get more ordinary four-stars or 3.5-star types--and then turn a lot of those guys into NFL players

Citation on "getting more guys drafted." Michigan is 4th overall over the last five drafts, behind only Alabama, LSU, and Ohio State: https://collegefootballnews.com/2021/05/nfl-draft-rankings-college-last-5-years-2021-cfn-program-analysis/6

MadMatt

November 11th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

Unpopular opinion: if both MSU and Michigan beat OSU (from my lips to God's ear), let Sparty get the playoff spot (assuming they win the B1G Championship). I'd rather have a winnable Rose Bowl than get shut out by Georgia's defense.

bronxblue

November 11th, 2021 at 2:33 PM ^

I really don't get the continued assumption that JJ McCarthy is some wunderkind athletic marvel in the redzone.  He's a good athlete but if anything a guy with mediocre accuracy and decent legs is less effective in the redzone because defenses don't need to worry about his receivers going deep on them if he scrambles.  Maybe you get a couple of runs but my concerns about around the RZ is that none of the receivers have really emerged as targets down there beyond All, so if he's out then it's guys who don't do great fighting for balls...losing battles for balls because they aren't physically distancing themselves from defenders.  Schoonmaker's TD against McFadden was because he bodied him away before catching; the WRs don't really do that against corners and they aren't winning the hand-fights.  A different QB isn't likely to change that.

 

ERdocLSA2004

November 11th, 2021 at 2:39 PM ^

Brian thinks head to head should be what matters most, the rest of us say if the playoff committee watched that game and thought Michigan was the better team, who are we to argue?
 

Save 1 or maybe 2 years, that’s basically the Harbaugh era against MSU.  Unfortunately losses against MSU still count, despite who outplayed who.  I’m with Brian on this one.  If we played Purdue and won, that’s the only way I’d be swayed.  This will work itself out with the games left to be played, but moral victories against MSU feel empty.

gbdub

November 11th, 2021 at 3:31 PM ^

Really don't get why Sam things to think JJ is the solution to leaving yards on the field in the passing game. JJ is worse at pass reads, hangs onto the ball too long, is more likely to throw a dumb hero-ball pick, and is at least a little less accurate than Cade (all of these things are totally understandable from a freshman). 

Yeah, JJ is a better runner and that opens up some options in the red zone. But the reason he's still on the bench is precisely because he's not as reliable in the passing game. 

goblueritzy92

November 12th, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^

Sam needs to hide his relationship with Gattis a little more. He has constantly defended him since he has come here, even when he has horrible game plans and called games. When in reality he has had a very up and down tenure.