I was wondering if we'll take any RBs in this class. I haven't seen any RB offers go out in this class (Elijah Hood was one) but not too many others.

I know we have two in the last class with Deveon Smith and Derrick Green but considering Fitz is a senior and we have no other 'elite' back on our roster will we take another?

I see the following:

Thomas Rawls

Drake Johnson

Justice Hayes

Dennis Norfleet

Deveon Smith

Derrick Green

Fitz Touissant

Maybe Peppers will also play on offense?

You need ESPN insider credentials, but the read about this 2015 kid from Kentucky is worth it:  http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/michigan/post?id=6724#more 

When I read it I felt like I was reading the "Curious Case of Sidd Finch" SI article but then I realized it was no April Fool's Joke.  Watch out if we get RB talent like this kid in the class early or on the team in general.  Looks like we are early leaders for him, so GO BLUE!

Crazy stats as Fresh & Sophomore. 

In the next week - we have both DeVeon Smith and Derrick Green visiting us. With Ty Isaac delaying his announcement, it seems we may have to choose between Smith and Green.

Personally I like Green better because of his vision and power running ability. How do we stand with him and is a commit imminent from Green (as we are speculating in Smith's case?)

An earlier MGoBoard post on Ron Dayne’s selection to Big Ten Icon #13 inspired this post.  Within the post, I got involved with a discussion on Anthony Thomas being Dayne’s better and it stirred up some thoughts.  I decided to start a series comparing a former Michigan player to a similar player and discuss their merits. 

I’m calling this “Who Ya Got?” and will compare stats as well as other factors to try and determine who was better.  We’ll start with Anthony Thomas versus Ron Dayne.  If this is a hit and/or I like doing it, some future topics may include John Navarre/Gino Toretta, Brandon Graham/Simeon Rice, and Braylon Edwards/Plaxico Burress. If you have anyone that you’d like to compare, let me know, and we could make it an off-season series.

Who Ya Got?  Anthony Thomas vs. Ron Dayne

Introductions

Anthony Thomas was a running back for the Michigan Wolverines from 1997-2000.  The 6’2”, 220-lb tailback came to Ann Arbor out of Winnfield, LA.  He set the Louisiana state record for career touchdowns (106) and came to Michigan as the #2 RB in the country per Prep Football Report.  At Michigan, Thomas used his 4.5 speed to set the UM career rushing yards and touchdown records with 4472 yards and 56 touchdowns.  Thomas went on to be NFL Rookie of the Year in 2001 and spent 7 years in the NFL on four different teams.

Ron Dayne was a 5’10”, 250-lb running back for the Wisconsin Badgers.  As a massive high school running back, Ron Dayne tore up the New Jersey prep fields.  In Madison, Dayne’s size combined with his 4.7 speed led him to set the NCAA career rushing record with 6,397 career yards (7,125 with bowl games) from 1996-1999.  Wisconsin’s powerful rushing attack garnered Dayne the Heisman trophy in 1999 before he went on to the NFL.  Dayne spent 8 years in the NFL on three different teams after leaving Madison.

Rushing Statistics

Obviously, rushing stats are the #1 measure for determining running back greatness.  In this way, Ron Dayne should probably be the sure winner given his NCAA record for career rushing.

Looking at these numbers, Ron Dayne wins the total yardage, yards per carry, and touchdowns (save 1999 when Thomas had 17 to Dayne's 15) for all years of eligibility.

However, there are some pieces of clarification.  Dayne had almost zero competition for carries through his entire career.  His only real competition was during his senior year when Michael Bennett came to town.  At this point, though, Dayne was established and Bennett had off the field issues and wasn't a real competitor.

Anthony Thomas had Clarence Williams and senior Chris Howard his freshman year and had to share carries with Clarence Williams his sophomore year.  The carries were basically all his for his junior and senior seasons.

Therefore, you could argue that only junior and senior seasons are comparable.  On the other hand, you could also argue that Ron Dayne was dominant and outshone all his competition while Anthony Thomas couldn't even beat out Clarence Williams.

There is a fairly vocal group that contends that Dayne only beat up on inferior out-of-conference competition.  So, I present a chart comparing only Big Ten games between our two challengers.

Here is where the Dayne deniers start to have a true argument.  If we compare only junior and senior year Big Ten stats, the two gentlemen are nearly equal.  Thomas had 935 yards and 12 TD as a junior while 3rd year starter Dayne had 1066 yards and 8 TD.  For their senior years, Anthony Thomas had 1130 yards and 12 TD while Ron Dayne had 1310 yards and 14 TD. 

It is this senior season that won Dayne the Heisman.  Yet, if you compare conference stats, he was only marginally better than senior Anthony Thomas who couldn't even sniff the award his senior year.

Receiving Statistics

Another important component of what running backs do is to catch passes out of the backfield.  Neither was a prolific receiver, but Anthony Thomas stands head and shoulders above Ron Dayne. 

Anthony Thomas was basically 3 times more prolific than Dayne at catching passes.  Later in their careers, Wisconsin completely abandoned throwing to Dayne, while Michigan stayed at or above earlier levels.

I don’t think pass catching is the deciding factor between the two athletes, but it is a data point.

Other Stats / Information

As with most running backs, you can have the Barry Sanders/Emmitt Smith argument.  This is the argument that the only reason Emmitt Smith was good was due to his awesome offensive line, while Barry had to waste most of his energy juking defensive lineman and linebackers who were already in the backfield.

In this case, Anthony Thomas comes out as Emmitt Smith.  Thomas had Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, Jon Jansen, and David Brandt.  Wisconsin wasn’t hurting on the line, but as far as “name” offensive line goes, they had only Aaron Gibson and Chris McIntosh.

I don’t know enough about their other skill sets to make a valid argument, but I would guess they were both capable blockers with Anthony Thomas being a little quicker and more aggressive on picking up the blitz.

As far as further information goes, Dayne won his aforementioned Heisman without being anything extraordinary.  Other Wisconsin running backs have put up similar stats and Anthony Thomas wasn’t far behind (as stated above).  For instance, Michael Bennett (2000) rushed for 1600 yards and Anthony Davis ran for 1500 yards for two consecutive years.  Also, Dayne didn’t appear to show up for big games.  Michigan and Iowa basically shut him down.  On the other hand, he did well against average teams (MSU/PSU/etc.), and you don’t rack up stats like that by being a complete schmuck.

Anthony Thomas also doesn’t have a lot in the additional information category.  He dropped the ball in a game against Northwestern which lead to Michigan’s defeat and subsequently allowed Purdue to be the Rose Bowl representative in 2000.  On the plus side, he also returned kickoffs with a total of 31 returns for a 23.2 yard average.

One extra tidbit of information is nicknames.  Anthony Thomas was known as “A-Train” in Ann Arbor.  Dayne came through with “The Great Dayne.”  Neither of these nicknames are enough to sway me one way or the other, but I am partial to “A-Train.”

I don’t want to include NFL time in my comparison, but I would like to point out that they were basically the same NFL player.  Ron Dayne played 8 seasons and retired with 3,722 yards on 983 carries and 28 TD.  Thomas had 3,891 yards on 1,044 carries and 23 TD over 7 seasons, including the previously mentioned Rookie of the Year.

Final Verdict

After taking all of the information into account, I find that I have to side with the Ron Dayne camp.  This is distasteful to me in so many ways.  I dislike the other Big Ten schools, save Purdue and Northwestern, who I find cute; I am on the Anyone but Ron Dayne for Heisman Committee; I thought he racked up his yardage by being fat and running over MAC and WAC schools.  Despite all of these things, I think he was impressively athletic for a large man, was the top performing back in Big Ten history, and was a workhorse for 4 years behind a good but not great offensive line.

Who I Got?  Ron Dayne

An emotional roller coaster today, but awesome win.  Cannot put my love for Dilithium into words.  And I think both sides of the ball will only get better, and special teams certainly can't get worse.  We are gonna f*ck some people up.

After two weeks I cannot help but dream about how dynamic the offense could be with a real RB threat.  It's early, but neither Shaw nor Smith have really done it for me.  Which leaves me with two questions:

1. By the end of the year, are we going to have a clear-cut top back(s)?

2. If so, who will it be?

I loved Smith last year, but I think he's still recovering from the injury.  I have an intuition that Cox or Fitz will emerge (if Fitz can get and stay healthy).  I think Cox is the guy.

Thoughts?

An emotional roller coaster today, but awesome win.  Cannot put my love for Dilithium into words.  And I think both sides of the ball will only get better, and special teams certainly can't get worse.  We are gonna f*ck some people up.

After two weeks I cannot help but dream about how dynamic the offense could be with a real RB threat.  It's early, but neither Shaw nor Smith have really done it for me.  Which leaves me with two questions:

1. By the end of the year, are we going to have a clear-cut top back(s)?

2. If so, who will it be?

I loved Smith last year, but I think he's still recovering from the injury.  I have an intuition that Cox or Fitz will emerge (if Fitz can get and stay healthy).  I think Cox is the guy.

Thoughts?