Read the thread. Another poster stated that he/she didn't like Lebron because of The Decision. I was responding to him/her. If that is part of the reason why you don't like him, coupled with the other things that I have mentioned, I think that is reasonable. Even as a Cavs fan, Lebron gets on my nerves at times. But he is one of the most disliked athletes today and I don't think it is all that fair. By nearly all accounts, he seems to be a pretty damn decent human being all things considered. It is easy for us to say that he is arrogant but how could he not be? He has been compared to Michael Jordan since he was 16. He is worth nearly a billion dollars. But he stays out of trouble with the law, he is still with the mother of his children, and seems to be a great father. That is saying a lot for most big time celebrities and athletes nowadays.
No. I am arguing that disliking him solely because of The Decision is a lame reason to dislike him. I then offered up reasons that I consider are legitimate reasons as to why someone would not like Lebron. Also, I mentioned his on the court antics as being over the top. That would include his flopping. I also mentioned his drama with coaches...
I wasn't attacking Lebron's intelligence. I was saying he was immature. I don't think anyone hits peak maturity at 25. We all do things when we are young that we regret later in life. I am sure Einstein, Byron, and Godel are no different.
You specifically said that he lost you after The Decision and his Miami party where he announced his plans to win multiple championships. If that is truly the reason why you don't like him, and it has nothing to do with the other factors that I listed, it seems awfully petty to me. In a world where most celebrities and high profile athletes seem to be awful human beings, I don't think Lebron has done a bad job considering he has been on cover of magazines since he was 16.
The Decision is really why people don't like him? Really? I mean I get why people from Cleveland were upset by that (prior to his return) but why would anyone else still have an issue with that? One of the greatest basketball players of all time took some bad advice, came off as arrogant in announcing his plans to win multiple championships when he was at the ripe age of 25, oh, and raised a couple million for charity in doing so... Makes zero sense to me.
As for my guess as to why he gets a lot of hate? A) he is still probably the best basketball player on Earth. B) he is dramatic- on the court and off. I personally think some of his on the court antics are justified as I think he is fouled more than almost anyone in the league but because of his size and athleticism a lot of the calls aren't made. Off the court, he acts like a high school girl at times. All of the drama with his coaches, with Kevin Love, etc.gets really annoying. And finally, C) he isn't afraid to let people know that he considers himself the best player on Earth.
And I'm pretty sure this list is based on the stats of returning receivers/tight ends. Most of OSU's receiving corps will be starting for the very first time so it's really not that surprising to not see anyone mentioned.
All of the information I get on UM athletics comes directly from this site. I am sure the ones calling for Beilein to be fired are the outspoken minority, but they are out there.
It feels like OSU and UM are in pretty similar situations when it comes to basketball. There are a lot of people calling for the head coach to be fired, there are others saying "we can't fire him. I remember how shitty the program was before he arrived!" Then you have a lot of people in the middle saying that you don't necessarily want to fire anyone but the current product and the past few years are unacceptable.
As for the transfers, I guess it's good for OSU to be able to move on from guys who didn't particularly look like worldbeaters, but the timing really hurts. The 2016 class was one of the deepest Ohio high school recruit classes in recent memory and OSU missed out on the top 6 guys in the state because at the time they didn't have room to really pursue them.
Much like with Beilein, I think 2016-17 will be a defining season for Matta.
The Meyers and the Kasichs are pretty good friends so that may have something to do with it. Also, Trump said publically the other day that Urban has said some nice words about him in the past. Endorsing another candidate just to distance yourself from Trump seems excessive and unnecessary but who knows.
I am not saying that Urban won't try his best but... OSU is more likely than not going to get Jaylen Harris and five star Trevon Grimes this year, they got Mack and Victor in this past recruiting class, and KJ Hill and Torrence Gibson are expected to play significant time this year as redshirt freshman. Noah Brown was supposed to start at WR as a redshirt freshman last year before breaking his leg in the fall. That is a lot of highly rated younger guys vying for playing time. I am sure that competition doesn't scare people as talented as DPJ but I am sure he will at least pay attention to the depth chart. Given all that, and the fact that I do not believe MSU will beat out UM for a player like him from Michigan, I would guess UM's chances are pretty high.
Ha, I have been out of the game for a long time... Maybe it is some reprehensible offense nowadays, I really don't know. It certainly doesn't seem all that harmful but apparently there is a history of it between MSU/UM so maybe I am just not as tuned into it. I know that Duke does it a lot and they also often get mocked for it.
I'm not defending the floor slap. It was obviously dumb and it put him and his team in a bad position. But I absolutely disagree with you that all floor slapping is just an attempt to show up the guy you are guarding. Like I said, his team had just given up an offensive rebound and he was trying to motivate his team. The moment got the better of him and now he's out for the season. Had he just dunked on someone and slapped the floor, completely different story.
Oh, come on. It was an incredibly close game, they had just given up an offensive rebound, and as the clear emotional leader of this team, the kid was trying to get his team focused. It wasn't gloating or celebrating and the kid is now out for the season and has to have surgery. I know he plays for a rival but at least get the facts right.
Tough schedule with very tough road games. I think any where from 8-4 to 10-2 can be expected with 9-3 being the most reasonable outcome. Most won't be expecting a title run but those expectations will return in '17 when they will have 80-90% of the starters returning.
He's never actually been the lone man in charge of the defense. He got the "Co-DC" tag for the first time in '05 but it was Jim Heacock who ran the defense. This same setup continued until Tressel got fired in '11 and Fickell was "promoted" to head coach and Heacock continued being the true DC. Once Urban arrived, Fickell went back to his Co-DC responsibilities which he shared with Everett Withers but it was Withers who ultimately was in charge of the defense. In 2014, Ash replaced Withers and now Schiano has replaced Ash. So, really, he has never been "demoted" with the exception of going from interim Head Coach to Co-DC.
I don't know him personally but the guy has 6 young children, has lived in Columbus his whole life, and obviously loves OSU. It is very possible the guy is perfectly content with his current responsibilities and making $600k/year.
The one game suspension seems to be the standard across college football for DUI/OVI arrests. The loss of scholarship for a semester is consistent with previous alcohol related issues- like Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort. So, the punishment seems to suggest that there is nothing more to the story.
Were you being sarcastic with the "bye" comment? Didn't Cowherd clarify himself saying that the B10 was a "buy" meaning he thought the conference's stock was about to rise?
Kareem Walker, the number one ranked RB in the country and current Ohio State commit, took an official visit to Michigan last weekend. This, according to Michigan insiders, resulted in Urban giving the kid an ultimatum- either stop taking visits or consider your offer pulled. The ultimatum, according to Ohio State insiders and Walker's high school coach, was never given. After learning that Kareem was going to visit Michigan, Ohio State reached out again to Antonio Williams- a Wisconsin commit at the time. Williams is now visiting OSU this weekend and seems to be trending S&G, especially after decommitting from Wisconsin this afternoon. I would imagine Williams ends up in Columbus if Walker decommits. And Williams' decommittment certainly seems like a good thing for Michigan.
"Mythical National Championship" stemmed from the pre-BCS era when National Championships were determined by polls resulting in multiple teams claiming titles.
Actually, according to insiders, Weber has been extremely impressive so far. In their scrimmage Friday, he had over 200 yards rushing and a couple of touchdowns (Dunn played well, too, but also fumbled twice). He has also been pissing off defensive players because apparently he never takes a play off. Dunn may have been slotted as the second string for now, but that spot was certainly up for grabs.
I am not saying that the initial reports of a lousy visit to OSU were not true, but from Gary himself after his most recent visit per Rivals.com:
""That was my third time being up there and it was my mom's second time. I'm glad she came with me to see the place. I was happy to see Larry Johnson and Urban Meyer. I've been building that relationship ever since freshman year. I knew Larry Johnson when he offered me at Penn State. It's the same thing with Urban Meyer. I went up to the Ohio State camp when he first took the job and he gave me the offer. The academics there were good. My mom seemed to like it and it seems like that could be good."
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Michigan over the magic 85 number currently? Pipkins leaving would help in getting UM back to the 85 number come fall. From strictly a "numbers" standpoint, this is exactly the same thing that Urban did with Jamel Dean except that Pipkins is a senior and Dean a freshman.
Have the Cavs not seemed like a complete team since game 3 against the Bulls? They are getting consistent scoring from every position on the court, shooting over 40% as a team from three, 45% from the field, rebounding exceptionally well on both ends of the court, have JR Smith who has been playing like the 6th man of year, and a back-up point guard who has proved to be quite an asset thus far in the playoffs. Not to mention, they have another 7 days to get Kyrie healthy and the best player on the planet is playing like it.
I am not sure who will win but this isn't like Lebron's Cavs teams of the past. This team actually has quality guys at every position.
Interesting viewpoint. I watch a lot of basketball- be it high school, college, or NBA- mostly just because I am a huge fan of the game and I have never once thought that the pros don't play hard. Sure, the regular season may be watered down a bit (much like many other sports) but I think the NBA playoffs is one of the most compelling events in all of our sports. And I have certainly never thought it was "shit." The talent level at which the game is played is unfathomable at times. Watching how both of these teams are currently playing is nothing short of great, in my opinion.
This is actually a very similar situation to Ohio State's Sam Hubbard. He was committed to ND for lacrosse then decommitted when Ohio State offered a football scholarship. He does not play both sports, though, now at Ohio State.
Yea, Mike Mitchell. As Roughneck pointed out, he is back at home. He was a 5 star coming out of high school and transferred to Texas Tech and sat out last year. Will be able to play this year.
Just one, actually. They probably would have won one more but Satch sat Jared for not doing his homework and they got bounced by one of the Westerville schools.
Staying in Columbus, though, the 2012 Pickerington Central team won it all. That has Jae'sean Tate, Caris LaVert, Taco Charlton and MSU's Javon Bess.
He dropped considerably after tearing his ACL his junior year playing football. He ended up missing that entire basketball season. Prior to the injury, he was a top 25 player according to 247. To be honest, he has shown glimpses of being the player that he was from an athletic standpoint but seemed to be playing "not to get hurt" at times.
Yea, four Final Fours in 5 years is impressive regardless of the talent he brings in. Not to mention what he was able to do at UMASS and Memphis- when he wasn't getting 3 five star recruits each year. He's not the best coach but he can certainly coach.
I think the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and hit Smith in the earhole is the reason why it got flagged moreso than it being out of bounds. Smith was still in bounds when the initial contact occurred. Had Crable hit him below the shoulder pads, I am not sure that gets flagged and who know how that game plays out from there. It was obviously a crucial play but it was definitely correctly called.
I will not argue hockey as it is definitely more popular to UM fans. Though, the fact that hockey is vastly more popular in the State of Michigan due to geographical differences and the success of the Red Wings has a lot to do with that. But, what is your argument that Michigan basketball is more important to UM fans than OSU basketball is to OSU fans? Ohio State, on average, has ranked in the top-10 nationally in attendance since Thad has arrived. Granted, a lot of that has to do with the size of your arena, but selling on average 16-17 thousand tickets per game is no small feat. And how about the frustration with Thad that many OSU fans have shared because OSU has (relatively) struggled the last two years (despite being tournament teams both years)? Doesn't that show that OSU fans care about the success and/or failure of the basketball team?
I am not exactly sure how you measure how much one school cares about a particular sport so the argument is probably dumb to begin with. And I am certainly not saying that OSU is not a football school and forever will be. But you don't become the best program in terms of success of both the football and basketball programs (perhaps, second to only Florida) without caring about both sports tremendously.
That was my question as well. These kids have to know what the possibilities are when they commit to schools that consistently oversign. From the outside looking in, oversigning seems like a nasty business but you would think that eventually the horror stories from past players would either a) force schools to stop doing it or b) stop kids from committing to those schools.
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Lol sorry, I've never thought that The Decision was a big deal. There are far worse things that people in power do than being a little arrogant.
I understand, though. Jealousy often times turns to hate.
Lol ok, man. You and millions of other people don't like the guy. I think he doesn't seem to be such a bad guy given his life path. Agree to disagree.
Read the thread. Another poster stated that he/she didn't like Lebron because of The Decision. I was responding to him/her. If that is part of the reason why you don't like him, coupled with the other things that I have mentioned, I think that is reasonable. Even as a Cavs fan, Lebron gets on my nerves at times. But he is one of the most disliked athletes today and I don't think it is all that fair. By nearly all accounts, he seems to be a pretty damn decent human being all things considered. It is easy for us to say that he is arrogant but how could he not be? He has been compared to Michael Jordan since he was 16. He is worth nearly a billion dollars. But he stays out of trouble with the law, he is still with the mother of his children, and seems to be a great father. That is saying a lot for most big time celebrities and athletes nowadays.
No. I am arguing that disliking him solely because of The Decision is a lame reason to dislike him. I then offered up reasons that I consider are legitimate reasons as to why someone would not like Lebron. Also, I mentioned his on the court antics as being over the top. That would include his flopping. I also mentioned his drama with coaches...
I wasn't attacking Lebron's intelligence. I was saying he was immature. I don't think anyone hits peak maturity at 25. We all do things when we are young that we regret later in life. I am sure Einstein, Byron, and Godel are no different.
You specifically said that he lost you after The Decision and his Miami party where he announced his plans to win multiple championships. If that is truly the reason why you don't like him, and it has nothing to do with the other factors that I listed, it seems awfully petty to me. In a world where most celebrities and high profile athletes seem to be awful human beings, I don't think Lebron has done a bad job considering he has been on cover of magazines since he was 16.
The Decision is really why people don't like him? Really? I mean I get why people from Cleveland were upset by that (prior to his return) but why would anyone else still have an issue with that? One of the greatest basketball players of all time took some bad advice, came off as arrogant in announcing his plans to win multiple championships when he was at the ripe age of 25, oh, and raised a couple million for charity in doing so... Makes zero sense to me.
As for my guess as to why he gets a lot of hate? A) he is still probably the best basketball player on Earth. B) he is dramatic- on the court and off. I personally think some of his on the court antics are justified as I think he is fouled more than almost anyone in the league but because of his size and athleticism a lot of the calls aren't made. Off the court, he acts like a high school girl at times. All of the drama with his coaches, with Kevin Love, etc.gets really annoying. And finally, C) he isn't afraid to let people know that he considers himself the best player on Earth.
I think what ultimately really threw a wrench into OSU's plans was the commitment of JK Dobbins, who is also a very highly regarded running back.
All of the information I get on UM athletics comes directly from this site. I am sure the ones calling for Beilein to be fired are the outspoken minority, but they are out there.
It feels like OSU and UM are in pretty similar situations when it comes to basketball. There are a lot of people calling for the head coach to be fired, there are others saying "we can't fire him. I remember how shitty the program was before he arrived!" Then you have a lot of people in the middle saying that you don't necessarily want to fire anyone but the current product and the past few years are unacceptable.
As for the transfers, I guess it's good for OSU to be able to move on from guys who didn't particularly look like worldbeaters, but the timing really hurts. The 2016 class was one of the deepest Ohio high school recruit classes in recent memory and OSU missed out on the top 6 guys in the state because at the time they didn't have room to really pursue them.
Much like with Beilein, I think 2016-17 will be a defining season for Matta.
The Meyers and the Kasichs are pretty good friends so that may have something to do with it. Also, Trump said publically the other day that Urban has said some nice words about him in the past. Endorsing another candidate just to distance yourself from Trump seems excessive and unnecessary but who knows.
I am not saying that Urban won't try his best but... OSU is more likely than not going to get Jaylen Harris and five star Trevon Grimes this year, they got Mack and Victor in this past recruiting class, and KJ Hill and Torrence Gibson are expected to play significant time this year as redshirt freshman. Noah Brown was supposed to start at WR as a redshirt freshman last year before breaking his leg in the fall. That is a lot of highly rated younger guys vying for playing time. I am sure that competition doesn't scare people as talented as DPJ but I am sure he will at least pay attention to the depth chart. Given all that, and the fact that I do not believe MSU will beat out UM for a player like him from Michigan, I would guess UM's chances are pretty high.
Ha, I have been out of the game for a long time... Maybe it is some reprehensible offense nowadays, I really don't know. It certainly doesn't seem all that harmful but apparently there is a history of it between MSU/UM so maybe I am just not as tuned into it. I know that Duke does it a lot and they also often get mocked for it.
Tough schedule with very tough road games. I think any where from 8-4 to 10-2 can be expected with 9-3 being the most reasonable outcome. Most won't be expecting a title run but those expectations will return in '17 when they will have 80-90% of the starters returning.
He's never actually been the lone man in charge of the defense. He got the "Co-DC" tag for the first time in '05 but it was Jim Heacock who ran the defense. This same setup continued until Tressel got fired in '11 and Fickell was "promoted" to head coach and Heacock continued being the true DC. Once Urban arrived, Fickell went back to his Co-DC responsibilities which he shared with Everett Withers but it was Withers who ultimately was in charge of the defense. In 2014, Ash replaced Withers and now Schiano has replaced Ash. So, really, he has never been "demoted" with the exception of going from interim Head Coach to Co-DC.
I don't know him personally but the guy has 6 young children, has lived in Columbus his whole life, and obviously loves OSU. It is very possible the guy is perfectly content with his current responsibilities and making $600k/year.
When was he demoted?
The one game suspension seems to be the standard across college football for DUI/OVI arrests. The loss of scholarship for a semester is consistent with previous alcohol related issues- like Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort. So, the punishment seems to suggest that there is nothing more to the story.
Kareem Walker, the number one ranked RB in the country and current Ohio State commit, took an official visit to Michigan last weekend. This, according to Michigan insiders, resulted in Urban giving the kid an ultimatum- either stop taking visits or consider your offer pulled. The ultimatum, according to Ohio State insiders and Walker's high school coach, was never given. After learning that Kareem was going to visit Michigan, Ohio State reached out again to Antonio Williams- a Wisconsin commit at the time. Williams is now visiting OSU this weekend and seems to be trending S&G, especially after decommitting from Wisconsin this afternoon. I would imagine Williams ends up in Columbus if Walker decommits. And Williams' decommittment certainly seems like a good thing for Michigan.
"Mythical National Championship" stemmed from the pre-BCS era when National Championships were determined by polls resulting in multiple teams claiming titles.
Actually, according to insiders, Weber has been extremely impressive so far. In their scrimmage Friday, he had over 200 yards rushing and a couple of touchdowns (Dunn played well, too, but also fumbled twice). He has also been pissing off defensive players because apparently he never takes a play off. Dunn may have been slotted as the second string for now, but that spot was certainly up for grabs.
Ha, Idk man, getting any kind of reliable information from a 17-18 year old kid has to be a brutal job.
I am not saying that the initial reports of a lousy visit to OSU were not true, but from Gary himself after his most recent visit per Rivals.com:
""That was my third time being up there and it was my mom's second time. I'm glad she came with me to see the place. I was happy to see Larry Johnson and Urban Meyer. I've been building that relationship ever since freshman year. I knew Larry Johnson when he offered me at Penn State. It's the same thing with Urban Meyer. I went up to the Ohio State camp when he first took the job and he gave me the offer. The academics there were good. My mom seemed to like it and it seems like that could be good."
You beat me to the punch- I tried to edit after seeing the story on the front page.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Michigan over the magic 85 number currently? Pipkins leaving would help in getting UM back to the 85 number come fall. From strictly a "numbers" standpoint, this is exactly the same thing that Urban did with Jamel Dean except that Pipkins is a senior and Dean a freshman.
Why Houston?
Oooohhh, ok. Could you imagine how good that Akron team would have been, though?
We really arguing over Lebron's collegiate allegiance?
Have the Cavs not seemed like a complete team since game 3 against the Bulls? They are getting consistent scoring from every position on the court, shooting over 40% as a team from three, 45% from the field, rebounding exceptionally well on both ends of the court, have JR Smith who has been playing like the 6th man of year, and a back-up point guard who has proved to be quite an asset thus far in the playoffs. Not to mention, they have another 7 days to get Kyrie healthy and the best player on the planet is playing like it.
I am not sure who will win but this isn't like Lebron's Cavs teams of the past. This team actually has quality guys at every position.
Interesting viewpoint. I watch a lot of basketball- be it high school, college, or NBA- mostly just because I am a huge fan of the game and I have never once thought that the pros don't play hard. Sure, the regular season may be watered down a bit (much like many other sports) but I think the NBA playoffs is one of the most compelling events in all of our sports. And I have certainly never thought it was "shit." The talent level at which the game is played is unfathomable at times. Watching how both of these teams are currently playing is nothing short of great, in my opinion.
Looks like the posters predicting a Cavs win are not fairing all that well, either.
One could say, however, that Zeke's emergence was due to Cardale's ability to stretch the defense vertically thus opening up the running game.
This is actually a very similar situation to Ohio State's Sam Hubbard. He was committed to ND for lacrosse then decommitted when Ohio State offered a football scholarship. He does not play both sports, though, now at Ohio State.
It would be nice if he spent more time writing that book and less time announcing Cavs games.
Yea, Mike Mitchell. As Roughneck pointed out, he is back at home. He was a 5 star coming out of high school and transferred to Texas Tech and sat out last year. Will be able to play this year.
Just one, actually. They probably would have won one more but Satch sat Jared for not doing his homework and they got bounced by one of the Westerville schools.
Staying in Columbus, though, the 2012 Pickerington Central team won it all. That has Jae'sean Tate, Caris LaVert, Taco Charlton and MSU's Javon Bess.
He dropped considerably after tearing his ACL his junior year playing football. He ended up missing that entire basketball season. Prior to the injury, he was a top 25 player according to 247. To be honest, he has shown glimpses of being the player that he was from an athletic standpoint but seemed to be playing "not to get hurt" at times.
Why do you think MSU at night is not a good idea? Just curious.
Yea, four Final Fours in 5 years is impressive regardless of the talent he brings in. Not to mention what he was able to do at UMASS and Memphis- when he wasn't getting 3 five star recruits each year. He's not the best coach but he can certainly coach.
I think the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and hit Smith in the earhole is the reason why it got flagged moreso than it being out of bounds. Smith was still in bounds when the initial contact occurred. Had Crable hit him below the shoulder pads, I am not sure that gets flagged and who know how that game plays out from there. It was obviously a crucial play but it was definitely correctly called.
I will not argue hockey as it is definitely more popular to UM fans. Though, the fact that hockey is vastly more popular in the State of Michigan due to geographical differences and the success of the Red Wings has a lot to do with that. But, what is your argument that Michigan basketball is more important to UM fans than OSU basketball is to OSU fans? Ohio State, on average, has ranked in the top-10 nationally in attendance since Thad has arrived. Granted, a lot of that has to do with the size of your arena, but selling on average 16-17 thousand tickets per game is no small feat. And how about the frustration with Thad that many OSU fans have shared because OSU has (relatively) struggled the last two years (despite being tournament teams both years)? Doesn't that show that OSU fans care about the success and/or failure of the basketball team?
I am not exactly sure how you measure how much one school cares about a particular sport so the argument is probably dumb to begin with. And I am certainly not saying that OSU is not a football school and forever will be. But you don't become the best program in terms of success of both the football and basketball programs (perhaps, second to only Florida) without caring about both sports tremendously.
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That was my question as well. These kids have to know what the possibilities are when they commit to schools that consistently oversign. From the outside looking in, oversigning seems like a nasty business but you would think that eventually the horror stories from past players would either a) force schools to stop doing it or b) stop kids from committing to those schools.