Tate the Great

Although you are correct about how they play in H.S., I believe Tate will translate into more of a passer in college and at least for the first year or two, Kevin more of a runner in college.

Obviously we won't know for a while if this is the case, but Tate's passing prowess will allow him to be more of a passing threat in the game whereas his speed/athleticism might not be enough to consistently be a threat against college defenders. On the flip side, Kevin might be able to make passes vs. H.S. DBs now, but in the college game I see him having to rely more on his athleticism and running ability for one or two seasons, maybe more.

This isn't a case for or against either of them, but I get why people are thinking Tate will be a better option as a passer than Newsome early on, and Newsome more of a running threat (even though Tate is the more effective runner in H.S.)...it's just how it will possibly translate once they get to the next level.

Because he's white, duh.

Ask Mario about how much he liked going over the middle vice the post route in single coverage.  I think they care very much actually.

Forcier may run more in H.S. because of their system. He also runs A LOT (based on a bunch of his highlight clips at least) on broken plays, rather than designed  running plays. Methinks his receivers suck at getting open consistently and there is a lot of open space so he just guns it. Based on Newsome's highlight reels, they look like they have a more natural running attack (by an actual RB) than Scripps. More yards by Forcier doesn't always mean he's a better runner, it just may mean he HAS to run more (to make a play) and therefore does.

Kevin's athleticism translates better to the next level as a runner, which is why he is ranked higher on both Rivals and Scout because it's certainly not because of his passing ability at this point.

Tate threw for 2,387 yds to Newsome's 1,600 yds, so Option B did not throw for more passes (at least based on that yardage disparity). Also, according to Scout, Newsome has the faster 40 time (not like that matters much anyway, but since we're discussing). Tate's 40 time on Rivals is really different from the one on Scout (4.7 if you look in the paragraph part) vs. the Rivals 40 at 4.55. Kevin's on both sites are around 4.5. This doesn't even factor in the fact that Tate's going to have to gain like 15-20 lbs for college and Kevin won't have to gain much more weight.

To be fair, not that many people are even bringing up Smith at all, so he's not being compared as much. Also, in the beginning of the year I remember Smith being considered a Pro-Style QB. I don't know what made them change it, but to be honest I haven't thought of Smith as a real option (even though he's apparently as much of an option as Forcier and Newsome to sign with UM).

His highlight reels look a lot like Newsome's to my untrained eye. They both are pass-first guys who run when necessary, but Smith's plays move like 20X faster on both sides of the ball.

That's a good point, I'm withholding my presidential vote until McCain and Obama disclose their 40 times.  Obama had better run at least a 4.7.

I don't play that game, but my contention here is that who they are as H.S. QBs will not necessarily be who they are as college QBs. Since it's a college fball game, I predict both Newsome & Beaver (at least in year one and two) to be A, scramblers and eventually more into B, balanced. I see Tate always staying a balanced b/c he is too small to be a strict pocket passer and will probably have to scramble a bit to see around his blockers and give himself time to find passing lanes.

Yea, I think it's either b/c of the system being so wide open, the plays developing before his receivers can get downfield, or he's just small and has to move around a lot to see the field. Could be any one of those, or a combo. I'm not a coach or anything, so don't take my word for it.

Brontosaurus versus Velociraptor?

ok?

Although we are being somewhat sarcastic and even I was laughing at that for a while, it's not as crazy as it sounds and race really doesn't have anything to do with it.

Look at their current skill sets and see how they would translate into the college game. You're not going to win football games on the arm of Newsome at this point with the floaters I've seen (I know he hasn't been coached at all pretty much), regardless of his arm strength. Mallett had arm strength, and he couldn't hit receivers for shit. However, Kevin's big, athletic, and strong enough to be a sincerely effective runner in college, but not a passer right off the bat. Does he have the better upside overall, yes of course, but he will be very raw regardless of how effective he was as a passer in H.S.

Although Tate may be able to run at this stage in H.S., he's not going to be burning or breaking tackles of fast, gigantic ass LBs. He's going to have to use his arm and accuracy to win games. In conclusion, Newsome will be more of a runner in college and Tate will be more of a passer in the first few years, at the very least.