An MGoBlog Rank 'um of teams
Pure Curiosity, how would you rank the following teams given only their Ave Points for, Ave Points against, and (Sagarin) Schedule Strength. Not very Scientific, but I was curious to see who people like based on just these parameters (if they like strength of schedule, defense, offense?). Note: scores include baby seals. (reveal of teams in thread)
| Team 1 | Team 2 | Team 3 | Team 4 | Team 5 | Team 6 | Team 7 | Team 8 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pts For | 21.8 | 45.1 | 34.8 | 26.0 | 32.6 | 26.2 | 35.9 | 24.5 |
| Pts Agst | 12.4 | 16.0 | 14.6 | 15.0 | 23.1 | 17.2 | 22.5 | 17.9 |
| Sched Agst | 64th | 86th | 60th | 25th | 105th | 52nd | 38th | 19th |
October 31st, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^
3, 2, 4, 8, 7, 1, 6, 5.. or something like that
October 31st, 2011 at 10:57 AM ^
That is a tough group to sort out with limited info.
I go 7,4,2,3,8
October 31st, 2011 at 10:57 AM ^
Team 1: MSU (fewest PA)
Team 2: Wisconsin (most PF, easy schedule)
Team 3: Michigan (just bc I know our PA is 14.6)
Team 4: PSU?? (just a guess beacause of their small win margin and played against Alabama which probably boosts their SOS)
Team 5: Nebraska (now im starting to struggle)
Team 6: Iowa (no idea)
Team 7: Northwestern
Team 8: Illinois??
October 31st, 2011 at 11:13 AM ^
If I'm not mistaken, team one is PSU, not MSU.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:18 AM ^
8 is OSU
October 31st, 2011 at 10:58 AM ^
Ya know?
October 31st, 2011 at 11:03 AM ^
i believe the point of the excercise was to ignore win lose...
October 31st, 2011 at 11:06 AM ^
So you could have one team where they beat all the patsies but lose to the good teams and their PF/PA looks skewed.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:03 AM ^
I'm guessing W-L records would give the teams away.
October 31st, 2011 at 10:58 AM ^
Here are my picks:
- Team 8 (strength of schedule with strong PF/PA ratio)
- Team 1
- Team 4
- Team 3
- Team 2
- Team 6
- Team 7
- Team 5
When do you do the big reveal?
October 31st, 2011 at 11:05 AM ^
in about 5 minutes (i'm not very patient). So far an interesting mix of results. They are all Big ten teams (not Indiana, Minny, and Northwestern). I see people struggling to rank the teams, which went along with my general hypthesis that November is going to be a crazy month in the B10 as eight teams are actually pretty similar.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^
October 31st, 2011 at 11:06 AM ^
4, 8, 7, 2, 6, 3, 1, 5
I decided on a combo of all three categories, with the SOS being the main point, but the avg. point differential having a major influence.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:07 AM ^
Team 3 - ~20 PPG Differential against 60th ranked Schedule
Team 7 - ~13PPG Differential against 38th ranked Schedule
Team 4 - ~9 PPG Differential against 25th ranked Schedule
Team 2 - ~29PPG Differential against 86th ranked Schedule
Team 8 - ~7PPG Differential against 19th ranked Schedule
Team 6 - ~9PPG Differential against 52nd ranked Schedule
Team 1 - ~9PPG Differential against 64th ranked Schedule
Team 5 - ~9PPG Differential against 105th ranked Schedule
October 31st, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^
Team 3 - ~20 PPG Differential against 60th ranked Schedule 7-1
Team 7 - ~13PPG Differential against 38th ranked Schedule 7-1
Team 4 - ~9 PPG Differential against 25th ranked Schedule 6-2
Team 2 - ~29PPG Differential against 86th ranked Schedule 6-2
Team 8 - ~7PPG Differential against 19th ranked Schedule 5-3
Team 6 - ~9PPG Differential against 52nd ranked Schedule 6-3
Team 1 - ~9PPG Differential against 64th ranked Schedule 8-1
Team 5 - ~9PPG Differential against 105th ranked Schedule 5-3
This is part of the reason I didn't include results, because this would have scewed the results heavily. I question what Brian and Adam Rittenberg (ESPN) are seeing in Happy Valley that I'm not.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:11 AM ^
Well, just by averaging the ranks for each stat among the group, I get:
- 3
- 4
- 2/7 (tie)
- 6/8 (tie)
- 1
- 5
October 31st, 2011 at 11:25 AM ^
and hope it's correct.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:09 PM ^
So, based on the teams below
- Michigan
- MSU
- Wisc/Neb
- Ill/OSU
- PSU
- Iowa
That's a funny outcome because PSU is the only undefeated team in the conference.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^
I decided to compare teams at all. ESPN Blog had PSU higher in the Power Rankings than Michigan, so I just wanted to look at where they are statistically without wins/losses to see if I was missing why they were prefered. PSU looked very unimpressive. However, it is hard to distinguish between the top 7-8 at this point.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:17 AM ^
Well, it's easy to figure out the teams based on the Sagarin ratings:
Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Ohio State.
But I'll play along anyway:
- A tough schedule goes a long way in my book. #4 and 8 have the best schedules, but #4 did slightly better against a fairly even schedule, so 4 > 8.
- Team 7 did well against their schedule, but not enough to overcome the somewhat easier slate. So 4 > 8 > 7.
- Teams 1, 3 and 6 are similar in schedule. 6 is slightly tougher than the others, but 3 vastly outperformed the others. So 3 > 6 > 1.
- Team 2 is obviously better than team 5. Team 2 did excellent against a easy schedule. Well enough to pass anyone in the previous group? I think so, as a 30 point margin of victory versus 9 is pretty big, even if the SOS difference is 20+.
So I'd say, in order, 4, 8, 7, 3, 2, 6, 1, 5.
(Which equates to MSU, OSU, NU, UM, UW, Illinois, PSU, Iowa - seeing the teams play so far, I don't necessarily agree, but it is what it is.)
October 31st, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^
how I rank them, too.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:23 AM ^
Trebor has it right
1 - PSU
2 - WIS
3 - MICH
4 - MSU
5 - IOWA
6 - ILL
7 - NEB
8 - OSU
October 31st, 2011 at 11:48 AM ^
Based on the absent statistic of W-L, team 8 could easily have three loses. It is tempting to assume that the point difference always resulted in victory, but this is unlikely.
Team 2 or 3 seems to be the clear winner, but team 2's lack of schedule strength is really unimpressive.
I would hedge my bets with team 3.
3, 2, 4, 7, 8.
As far as head to head, I think statistically, none of these teams would be favored to win all of the head to head match ups, even if they are favored to win each individual game.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
3-2-7-4-8-6-1-5
Michigan (no bias, but crazy it came out that way)
Wisconsin
Nebraska
MSU
OSU
Illinois
Penn St.
Iowa