OT: Dovetailing on MSU's largest class ever, they remove math requirement for degree

Submitted by chuck bass on

Thousands of MSU students couldn't pass remedial math (9th-10th grade algebra?), so rather than not accepting such weak students in the first place, MSU is just getting rid of university-level math requirement for degrees. Wayne State made a similar move a couple of years ago.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/06/06/michigan-state-university-gets-rid-remedial-math-msu-developmental-lcc/664895002/

Solecismic

June 6th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^

Unfortunately, this is happening everywhere as a four-year college degree is replacing a high school diploma as a minimum standard for education. High schools started dropping standards a long time ago. Basically, you graduate unless you stop going altogether. What my son gets away with in high school is astonishing, and he still gets As. Any kid who's even minimally competent in math could probably place out of high school math with a month's worth of tutoring at age 10. That's why these remedial courses exist - to bring these fledgling Sparties up to that minimal high school competence. MSU can't be selective and still maintain a student body. It's not really their fault. They're only moving with the times. Hopefully, Michigan won't have to follow down the road. We're really long beyond a crisis point with the high schools these days.

Leaders_and_Best

June 6th, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^

First of all read the article, as many people have pointed out they are just replacing their remedial math class that don't count towards your degree with classes that do.

Second, this is a trend in all of higher ed. Remedial classes are being identified as a major barrier for student success (degree attainment) across all of higher ed, i.e. students get stuck in an often long line of remedial pre-reqs before being able to take classes that finally count towards their degree. Students are placed in these classes as a result of high-stakes placement tests which a student can struggle on for a variety of reasons.

This leads to students being required to take classes that are very expensive and time consuming that don't even count towards your degree. Making matters worse is that poor and minority students usually make up a bulk of the remediation class population which thus widens the achievement gap if they are unable to pass.

I work in Higher Ed in California and the Community College and State University systems are essentially doing away with remediation altogether as a matter of equity. I can go on all day about this but the bottom line is that the data shows remediation doesn't improve a student's chance of succeeding in the following higher level classes, so they might as well start off in college level courses as an equitable use of their time and money.

 

 

Section 35

June 6th, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^

When you have a bill of $500 million to pay off what better way to pay it off than to increase the amount students who make tuition payments. I mean you do the math. Oh wait....

PTOAD

June 7th, 2018 at 9:24 AM ^

This is required in order for them to have the largest class ever. Anyone who knows math would never attend because they would know this:

-You do nothing to change the culture

-You continue to cover-up, deny, and blame the victims

-You add more innocent women on campus

0 Change + Continued Cover-up + More Potential Victims= More Sexual Assault

 

Or at least that is how I remember that formula working

jsquigg

June 7th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

Considering how much money the university is bleeding due to being a cesspool, this doesn't seem that surprising given that the school admins suck at math anyway.