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|1 week 2 days ago||Knew the basics||
I know Stallings had a much better record than people remember (especially outside SEC country) and that the three guys that followed all had good seasons at one point. Wikipedia'd the record details though.
|1 week 3 days ago||Not really||
Alabama was a program that wasn't quite as good as Spurrier's Florida and was then on probation twice. They were inconsistent, not shitty.
Gene Stallings went 11-1 in '91 (loss to Florida), won a national title a year later (blew out Miami in the Sugar Bowl), went 12-1 in '94 (loss to Florida in SEC title game), and 10-3 in his final year in '96 (with another loss to Florida in the SEC title game). Mike DuBose won the SEC in '99 (lost to UM in Orange Bowl) and got fired a year later after a 3-8 season caused by sanctions and scholarship reductions, Dennis Franchione went 10-3 and won the SEC west outright in '02 (then left for A&M rather than deal with sanctions), Mike Shula went 10-2 and finished #8 in the country in '05 but got fired a year later just as he was able to sign a full recruiting class. Saban benefitted from that big class and hit the ground running with an undefeated regular season in year two and a national title in year three.
|1 week 5 days ago||Does he make it to '97?||
This thought experiment assumes Moeller gets through a very rough patch, even if he doesn't get fired. He lost 4 games in each of his last two seasons, then Carr lost 4 in each of his first two. Assuming Bo covers for the drunken night scandal, that still mars the guy's reputation and we're looking at four mediocre seasons in a row.
Not so sure in that environment that he sticks around. And under those circumstances Carr doesn't get hired.
So not sure your "What if?" is necessarily so rosey. It should also be noted that he was following Bo, who only finished outside the top-2 in the Big Ten four times in his career. Following those seasons he won the league outright three times and put together the 1985 season where UM finished #2 in both polls at season's end. He never had two bad seasons, much less four in a row, so people were judging things by a different standard at that time.
|1 week 5 days ago||Hope you're right||
Oregon State is just fucking weird. They should really always suck (and used to for decades) but it seems like every time I want to write them off they are there to be a pain in the ass. As a Carr-era UM student (Pac-10=nightmare) and a Carroll-era USC student (lost in Corvalis in 2006 to a team that was 4-3 at the time and in 2008 the only loss came against a 1-2 OSU team).
I'm clearly not being objective, but I will never take those fuckers for granted ever.
|1 week 5 days ago||Recency bias?||
Not able to check the numbers, but it seemed like Max had a couple of fairly solid games right at the end of the season and in the BTT. At that same point, Donnal was pretty much out of the rotation, or in foul trouble so quickly that he might as well have been out. Would explain why we think of him as playing better even if the overall numbers don't support that claim.
And that's not necessarily an inaccurate assessment of the situation, either. For instance, we would probably be correct in assuming Dawkins will be more like the guy who was raining threes in conference play going forward than the guy who couldn't get on the court at the start of the season.
|1 week 5 days ago||Oregon State scares me as well||
They haven't been a program to have 3-4 bad years in a row since Riley/Erickson took over. Coming off a mediocre season two years ago and a bad one this past year, I wouldn't be surprised if they are back in the middle of the Pac-12 standings (which would almost certainly put them ahead of us). They'll also be sky-high for the game and probably overlooked by most folks in maize&blue.
|1 week 5 days ago||Based on what?||
Molk, Omameh, Lewan, and Schofield all played at a high level under Hoke. Denard kept making big plays. FItz had a 1,000 yard season. Hemingway, Funchess, and Gallon put up numbers, and though Roundtree's dropped he still made some huge catches (game winners against ND and Northwestern, 70+ yarder against OSU). Martin, Roh, RVB, Clark, Ryan, Countess, Kovacs, etc. all played at a high level.
He probably could have used guys like Furman and Marvin Robinson better/more, and there were some issues with the offensive continuity as a whole (though even the maligned Devin Gardner still accounted for 70 TD under Hoke). Still, good players had no problem being good players under Hoke. The problem was he didn't recruit enough of his own and as a result the team got worse each year.
|1 week 5 days ago||Lewis||
I guess I just assumed he would be the other starter (meaning he'd play whether Countess is here or not). On the other side I would just rather have a choice of Lyons/Countess/Freshman rather than just Lyons/Freshman. Even if Blake wouldn't have been named the starter, not having him around in case of injury or pass-happy attack could come back to bite us, IMO.
|1 week 5 days ago||God, I have no idea||
Pretty confident we'll beat UNLV, Rutgers, and Northwestern at home.
After that it feels like a complete crapshoot. This team just has so many questions, but seems like it could potentially have answers. Can someone like Isaac or Higdon turn RB from weakness to strength? Can some combo of Cole/Canteen/Harris seriously upgrade the WR corps? Can Butt/Hill take TE from weakness to strength? Will each guy getting a little better (and does that improvement happen) result in a quantum leap across the board for the o-line? Do we have any pass rush without Clark and Ryan? Is Peppers ready to be the real deal and a difference maker for the defense as a whole? Will we regret losing Countess at some point?
I could honestly see anything from 5-10 wins depending on how those scenarios play out.
|1 week 5 days ago||Comedy = Tragedy + Time||
I'm almost able to laugh at it now:
|1 week 5 days ago||Talent level||
Denard had won the B1G player of the year award the year before and has now been a starting RB in the NFL. Molk was a Rimington finalist (three guys) who then won the award a year later. Lewan was 2-time B1G lineman of the year. Schofield ended up a 3rd round pick. Omameh ended up 1st team all-B1G and started for the Bucs last year. Fitz finally got healthy that year, rushed for 1,000 yards, and is now on the Ravens active roster. Hemingway got drafted and plays for the Chiefs. Gallon broke the single season receiving record at UM and got drafted. Roy Roundtree was 3rd in the B1G in receiving the year before Hoke arrived. Mike Martin was 2nd team all-conference the year before Hoke's arrival and got drafted. Roh was 2nd team all-B1G as a senior. Jake Ryan ended up a Butkus Finalist and 4th round pick. Demens made the Cardinals active roster as an undrafted free agent. Cam Gordon has a Super Bowl ring. Desmond Morgan is still a solid player in the program with loads of starting experience. Kovacs made the Dolphins active roster. Countess was 1st team all-B1G. Josh Furman just got drafted after a very good season at Ok. State but never saw the field here. Guys like Vinopal (two year starter at Pitt) and Marvin Robinson (1st team all-conference at Ferris State) got NFL shots with the Cowboys (Ray is in camp with them this year and Robinson got hurt there last year).
That team had plenty of talent. Hoke didn't adequately replace it, so we slowly fell from 11-2 to 5-7, and probably won't be too much better this year.
|1 week 5 days ago||Maybe||
Not sure anyone else on the roster is a better fit, though.
Either way, it's nice having a coach who will get the benefit of the doubt around here if there is short-term pain on the way to long-term success.
|1 week 5 days ago||Well||
Countess was first team all-B1G a couple of years ago and HM this past season. Not sure we're better off with him playing down on the Plains.
|1 week 5 days ago||Speaking of quick turnarounds||
People also seem to forget how excited they were about how little attrition there was under Hoke. Seems like a lot of people are changing their tune or don't seem to understand the process (and the fact that you kind of want the guys who aren't going to play to leave).
Of course, the change in attitude comes a little late since we've signed just 30 players over the last two classes, something that will definitely hurt the program in the next few years.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Overdue||
For a very long time, the Coliseum was controlled by a quasi-governmental organization called the Coliseum Commission (since it is a historic landmark). They pretty much refused to approve or fund any kind of major rehab over the years. SC just recently took control of the property and with their coming investment and the likely arrival of an NFL team to play in the Coliseum, the stadium should look and feel (no more broken seats stabbing you in the leg) a lot nicer within a couple of years.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||The middle part||
Kids want to go pro. Warren was told he'd be a third round pick by the NFL advisory board (after being an all-conference player). Then he ran on a bum ankle and his stock plummeted.
It sucks for him that he didn't get drafted and get to cash a paycheck, but he got a shot with 4 teams over 3 years and never stuck. His NFL career (or lack of one) is just the way it is, but it would have been nice for him to stick around and get drafted and it would certainly have helped Michigan out.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Huh?||
Brandon Graham was ridiculously good here. Stevie Brown was very good as a senior once he found a role suited to his skill set and knowledge/experience.
I don't know what you are talking about.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Icebergs||
The biggest one of all was Dave Brandon. He took over a month and a half before signing day in 2010 and began telling recruits he had no idea who the coach would be going forward, yet waited a whole year to fire Rodriguez. By contrast, Pat Haden at USC made a video to support Lane Kiffin (a guy he didn't hire) over the summer only to let him go a few games into the following season. The coaching staff was never hung out to dry and recruiting continued successfully both before and after the band-aid was ripped off.
Brandon torpedoed two recruiting classes and then replaced a fantastic football coach with a terrible one. If Martin is in charge and stands by his hire, I have to think things go a lot differently and his initial hire looks a lot smarter.
|5 weeks 16 hours ago||Two 4-loss seasons didn't help||
If he's coming off a Rose Bowl win things easily go a different direction. Same goes for Woody if he had beaten UM three times in a row instead of the other way around.
|5 weeks 16 hours ago||Jim Harbaugh||
He got drunk either on a team flight or immediately after landing after a game in Indiana in the middle of his second season at USD (the team played in Indiana on Saturday and he was arrested in SD early Sunday). He ran a stop sign, got pulled over, and pled guilty to DUI. He didn't miss a game then. USD gave him a contract extension less than two months after the arrest. He got hired by Stanford just over a year after the arrest, less than a third of the way through his court ordered probation for that arrest.
Do those facts change things for you? Are you just as mad that Jim Harbaugh was allowed to not only keep his job, but continue to be hired for bigger and better positions? And if your opinion about Harbaugh is different, then bitching about Minick keeping his job is extremely hypocritical.
|5 weeks 17 hours ago||"As a leader"||
Do you have the same stance with respect to our current head football coach?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||That 18 year window?||
This is wrong on two fronts. Izzo and Dantonio owe none of their success to Michigan being down. Both have had elite success on a national level, above and beyond just being better than us. Izzo just went to the Final Four. Dantonio just finished in the top-5 for the second year in a row after winning a major bowl game (you have to go back to 1999 to find our second most recent such bowl win and the last time we finished in the top-5).
Also, them being good has nothing to do with whether or not we are good. When Michigan basketball went to the title game and followed it up with an Elite Eight run and a dominating B1G season, State went to the Sweet Sixteen (knocked out by Duke) and the Elite Eight (knocked out by eventual champ UCONN), and won a B1G tournament title. The last two times UM won a major bowl game, State posted 10+ wins.
State being good doesn't stop us from being good, or vice versa.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||2009||
That was the first of RR's only two full classes at Michigan. There were a decent number of 4-star in-state prospects (11 on Rivals) and a big chunk (8) ended up at State. This fueled the "doesn't get it" narrative of Rodriguez as an outsider who didn't fit at UM.
In that class we signed Denard Robinson and Tate Forcier instead of in-state 4-star Andrew Maxwell. We signed Taylor Lewan and Michael Schofield. State got Blake Treadwell (whose dad was on the staff there). They also got 4-star linemen from Iowa and Ohio who both left the program early (Nate Klatt and David Barrent). We signed Jeremy Gallon from Florida (2,704 yards, 17 TD). They signed Donald Spencer from Michigan (2 catches for 21 yards). OSU also landed a 4-star WR from MI, James Jackson who ended up transferring to Wayne State and doing pretty much nothing. They also signed a linebacker (Jeremy Gainer) who never played and left before his fifth year. We got Cam Gordon (from Michigan) who posted 138 tackles, 5 sacks, 15 TFL, and 3 INT and ended up in the NFL, despite essentially backing up a pretty great player in Jake Ryan.
They got Chris Norman who was a good player, but he's a guy we offered who apparently only visited MSU and was a Renaissance pipeline guy. They got Baker (who we offered but who only visited one school, MSU) who was good but we got Fitz from Ohio who put up pretty much an identical career (both in college and now in the NFL). And they got Dion Sims who we offered, but who again only visited State. While obviously a talented guy, he only put up 707 yards total in his MSU career.
So the narrative when these guys were recruited or were freshmen/sophomores was that MSU is winning because they are kicking ass recruiting in the state of Michigan. The facts don't reflect that view at all.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Except it isn't a crapshoot||
Oregon has won 10+ games for 7 years in a row because the guys who were on Mike Belotti's staff and then Chip Kelly's and now Helfrich's knew how to build a program. MSU has won 53 games in 5 years after Dantonio's first three years. Gary Patterson has nine 10-win seasons at TCU this century. After getting three seasons to build a program, Art Briles has won 40 games in 4 seasons at Baylor.
Harbaugh had three years to build his program at Stanford. In year 4 they won 12 games. Then he left, but those guys he recruited were still on campus. They won 11 games, then they won 12 games, then they won 11 games again. By last season they had pretty much all graduated and Stanford won 8 games.
Are you going to bet against these guys going forward just because Rivals says their guys aren't as good as the ones going to other schools?
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Good lord||
How many words in the fucking English language might possibly offend some particular person if used to address them? Can't say Christian anymore, ever, because that might offend a Muslim if you called him that. The inverse obviously applies as well. Can't say my pants are short because I could possibly meet a short person and if I yelled "Hey, shorty!" into his fact he might get offended, in which case I'd be a total dick. And can't say dick ever because if you just walked up to someone and called them a dick they would certainly get pissed, so can I go back and edit out that last word now that I know it is wrong.
You are a fucking child if you are bothered by any word anyone ever says. "Sticks and stones" isn't some quaint old shit. It is the difference between babies and adults. Whining on behalf of others (especially imaginary others who aren't here and aren't pissed off) doesn't make you any less whiney.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Disparaging description||
Are you saying Mgoblog is a "room with persons with development disabilities"?
Magnus, whose actual point I don't completely agree with, used a term associated with diminished intelligence to describe an action by someone (someone who doesn't actually fit into any group or medical condition associated with diminished intelligence) that wasn't terribly intelligent. Context, as you seem to suggest in your post, fucking matters. If upon seeing Coach Harbaugh's shirtless pics in Alabama today, you proclaimed, "That is one sexy nigger!" Anyone who chose (and they would be making a choice) to be offended by your comment would be, in the parlance of our times, a fucking retard. Words are just fashion. Actions and intent are what matters.
There aren't a bunch of kids with down syndrome reading deep into the board posts on this blog and feeling bad because someone associated a mean term for their medical condition with the poor choices made by a member of the UM football staff. Anyone being vicariously offended on behalf of these fictional people is being silly.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||I'll fix it||
Can Magnus just agree that he meant to say "Jim Minick made a developmentally disabled decision" when he chose to drive drunk?
Problem solved for everyone.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Fun Fact||
The terms "retarded" and "mental retardation" were polite euphemisms introduced to replace terms like idiot, imbecile, moron, and mongoloid (only one of which is currently prohibited by modern PC speech conventions). The I and M words sounded mean, so a new term was devised to imply that those with natural mental impairments were not irreparably damaged or naturally inferior to others, but just slower than average to reach their eventual target.
So yeah, getting mad about word choices, especially when the words aren't directed at the people you are supposedly trying to protect from nasty language, is idiotic, moronic, etc.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Because he got a DUI?||
If that is the standard, then Jim Harbaugh shouldn't be on the staff. I'm guessing from your sig that you don't want him fired and were totally cool with hiring him.
There is a word that doesn't start with the letter R that describes this kind of thinking.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Timing||
Both Deadwood and Rome suffered for being in the first wave of the cable TV takeover (before AMC, FX, etc. really jumped on board as well). They had big budgets and critical acclaim, but didn't get the ratings of the hit shows like the Sopranos or Sex and the City that came out just before them. I think if HBO execs had known just how big the post-viewing market would be for these kinds of shows, they never would have cancelled either one.
The Wire could easily have been given the same treatment, but probably escaped the axe because it wasn't too expensive to make.