We are becoming everything that we used to hate. When we used to say that we were Michigan men we actually had a leg to stand on. We had high standards, a mostly classy fan base, and a competitive team. Over the past decade all of that has changed. Our team sucks (and probably will continue to suck for the foreseeable future) our players are no different than any other players, and our fan base is turning in to a bunch of 12 year old brats with a completely false sense of entitlement.
I mean really. When was the last time that we were even remotely relevant on a national level in college football?
Lewan is a bad dude. Anyone who denies that is a total idiot.
Our program is now mediocre. We are playing in a December bowl sponsored by a wing joint and some folks are actually proud of it.
We are maybe the 5th best program in the big 10 right now and I honestly have serious doubts about where we will ever be what we used to be.
The good old days have come to an end...
You're comparing northern Ohio to AA. Not a fair comparison unless you visited Columbus. As for the sports, OSU is far superior is football and basketball. Who cares about all of the other ones.
Clearly we all hate Ohio. But being from Michigan, can we really play the whole "our state is better than yours because there is so much to do" card? Detroit is broke and we have no other major cities to speak of. Not to mention people are leaving like gangbusters. Just a thought.
Here's something to think about related to our talent. If you folded our team into Ohio's, how many of our players even crack the starting line up?
Lewan starts for sure, but probably the only o lineman
Gardner is third string behind miller and guiton
Fitz gets cut for sure. He wouldn't even make the 4 deep
Gallon might start, but thats it at WR
And don't get me started on the D. Probably all Ohio except for maybe Clark and a healthy Ryan
Just thinking about it is depressing
If I was involved in the program I would stop putting up with this "Michigan man" crap and start demanding results. And I'm not counting the first five games in these results. My grandmother could win the first five games of the season here.
Win, win now, and stop making excuses. It took ohio all of 5 minutes to rebuild but somehow it is taking us a decade.
I'm trying to be patient, I really am! But after RR, I just see this going the same direction.
I think we can all agree that VT is not a perennially strong team. They are a perennially decent team who avoids big name opponents and squeezes out 9 or 10 mediocre wins each year. Plus we can't pin strength on an opponents name alone. It changes year in and year out. The proof will come when they play OSU over the next couple years I guess.
As for beating a good team on the road, we need to start by beating a mediocre team on the road. No wins against above .500 teams is pretty embarrasing for us.
I guess we will see about his recruits. Somehow Urban was able to come in with a simlar level of recruiting talent and run off 18 consecutive wins.
I would buy your argument if we could see progress with the team. But we can't. In fact they seem to be regressing. At the moment we are no different than Purdue, Illinois, or any other mediocre big10 program. And don't give me this "we are Michigan" garbage. Right now Michigan doesn't mean anything. We are entering "we are Notre Dame" territory.
Fact is, we will suffer another decade of mediocrity with this coaching regime. Not to mention Urban Meyer might beat us for another 5 years straight.
We are the most pathetic 5-1 team of all time. That record means nothing because of how we have looked. Not to mention my opinion is based on the past 2 years of work. We have been mediocre at best and it is 80% the fault of our coaching staff.
Maybe don't fire them now, but when we inevitably lose 4 of our next 5 games and have to play in the taxslayer.com bowl then it's time to make our move.
Let's be honest here. Ohio is going to completely destroy us this year in AA. Any hope that I had to beat them was gone after Saturday and this interview only reinforces that point. Fire Hoke, fire Borges, and let's start over again.
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I'm trying to be patient, I really am! But after RR, I just see this going the same direction.
I think we can all agree that VT is not a perennially strong team. They are a perennially decent team who avoids big name opponents and squeezes out 9 or 10 mediocre wins each year. Plus we can't pin strength on an opponents name alone. It changes year in and year out. The proof will come when they play OSU over the next couple years I guess.
As for beating a good team on the road, we need to start by beating a mediocre team on the road. No wins against above .500 teams is pretty embarrasing for us.
I guess we will see about his recruits. Somehow Urban was able to come in with a simlar level of recruiting talent and run off 18 consecutive wins.
By this logic, Terry Bowden is an good coach. He came in to the big house and probably SHOULD have beat us.
I'm not saying that Hoke has always been awful, but his track record at UM so far has been mediocre at best.
On the other hand, who else is even available for us to go get at the moment?
Fair enough, maybe not the worst of all time. But they did only beat 2 ranked teams all year, the highest of which was ranked #20 at the time.
You also say that they only lost to Clemson but let's not forget that those losses were not even close. Clemson won by 20 and 28 points respectively.
They also had single digit wins over Duke, NC, and East Carolina.
Any other team in the BCS that year would have destroyed VT.
We had to come from behind and beat them in OT. In basically any other year of the BCS we would have been destroyed by an actual BCS worthy team.
Would Hoke have made it this far if not for some fortunate circumstances?
He played against arguably the worst team to make a BCS Bowl of all time (VT) and barely won despite being outgained and basically outplayed all game
He was one Braxton Miller overthrown pass from losing to the worst OSU team in 20 years (which would have made him winless against our biggest rival)
He has yet to beat an above .500 team on the road
His highly ranked recruits are turning out to average players
He is a bad coach that has caught a few breaks.