Offensive minded coach, best WR in the NFL, adequate OL, have a veteran to take the beatings in year 1 ahead of him but not a veteran who is going to be around long to compete against etc. A lot better situation than the others although Chicago has a chance to make a big jump if they hit on their picks.
Lions gave up a lot to move up. Every trade value chart said that it was more appropriate to give up a mid to late 4th.
That said if Arnold is an All Pro no one will care. And we don't know if he is the best corner, the guy from Toledo was taken 2 picks in front of him. And some guy in the 3rd may turn out to be the best in 2 years.
Henne was a 2nd rounder. He started his age 24, 25, and 28 seasons. Career backup from there - 7 seasons, played 17 games total in those 7 years.
His bank account is a winner that's for sure.
Reminds me a bit of rich man's Jim Sorgi who backed up Manning in Indy for 6 years - greatest job in the world, get paid and do nothing while traveling the US and having fun. Guy threw like 150 passes in his career.
Yes look at the 21 draft. Lawrence was "generational" - best QB since Luck but got stuck with Urbz. After that every other QB drafted in the FIRST round has been booted by his team in 3 years!!
They literally have two safeties on the roster lol. Campbell literally said "they are not done at safety" a few weeks ago. The veteran guys in the market want to get paid and not be a backup.
Guys there are injuries in the NFL! One of our starters has 6 games of starter experience! Someone like Joseph they won't be able to afford on contract 2, with all the $$ coming down the pike for Hutch, Laporta, (hopefully) McNeil, and Goff. Branch too, and probably Gibbs.
You can never have enough of secondary players! Especially cheap ones on first year contracts.
Yep! Glasgow had a great year but you never know when a guy tails off in the 30s. Don't see how they retain Decker with the salary cap unless he is willing to do one of those 3 year deals under mkt which is really 2 years and you know you are being cut at age 32 but it gives you 2 years to hang with your buddies Ragnow and Glasgow. Sewell being paid as the top left tackle in the league but playing right tackle long term wouldn't make sense.
Also Ragnow is a friggin warrior, when you read about what he has been going thru injury wise the past few years but he is a retirement risk really any year with how his body has been wrecked. The guys like the one from Duke and Oregon who have that center / guard flexibility would be great for the Lions - if only they had three first/second round picks :D
Lions fans for first time have to confront what these elite franchies like Steelers Ravens Packers have to deal with - you need to pick and choose who you keep and bloodlet the rest and find cheap replacements on first contract deals for all but 6-8 guys on the roster.
Plenty were mocked in 20s across many authors. Most were guys who could be center and guard hybrids.
ZZ was never one of them. Even pre injury he wasn't considered in that echelon when the early mocks were out last fall. But yeah you are going to get a steady 10 year veteran ala Backus type (diff position) I think with Zinter.
Their CB room empties out in a year - this overhaul was for a year. Arnold only guy guaranteed to be back in a year.
And a lot of Campbell talk of hybriding Branch as a safety this offseason. They wanted to not inundate him last year with 2 positions but he sounds a bit like the Chauncy plan - play both.
Mikey is both team captain material and a pure play maker. One of the current starting safeties has all of 6 games of starting material on film. (a good 6 games but just that) and no depth behind it. One gets hurt you move Branch there and Mikey into slot etc. Probably moot as I don't see him falling even to late 2nd round but you never know.
Bigger picture you gotta keep recycling young guys in as the way they are structured with massive spend on OL, WR1, QB, and soon DL & TE you gotta have "cheap" positions too and it looks like it's got to be the secondary and linebackers with how the team is built. Not going to be able to afford a CB1 on the free agent market.
I would like to see them drop out of the 2nd and pick up additional picks. After pick 61 they don't draft until 100 picks later. Can't see them moving up in the 2nd as they don't have draft capital of value unless we are talking 2025 inventory. If they can translate that late 2nd to an early to mid 3rd and an early 4th or something like that it would be positive. Someone like Zinter or equal interior OL value could drop to them in early 4th for example.
Even with our great GM 5th to 7th round picks are generally low probability to pan out. Last year are Colby Sorsdal and Antoine Green, prior year Rodrigo which was a camp phenom but really a special team player on a real team, Houston and Chase Lucas, and first year was Jermar Jefferson. So out of those 3 drafts you have a 7 game run by Houston and cameo by Rodrigo on a really bad roster at the time. Sorsdal was a developmental pick from a small school, so we'll see if he becomes anything in time.
And yes I know Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, and a host of guys who turn into stars as UDFAs or late rounders but it's not the probability vs guys in the 2nd thru 4th.
Yeah JJ gonna drop to #29 and/or give up the next two years of first round picks and a second to move up 24 spots for unproven JJ and get rid of the first guy to win a playoff game for the franchise, and in fact 2. Also a team leader.
Hand over a NFC champion game team to a guy without a single throw in the NFL.
Word is they took Ishbia's money (ok I am using Ishbia but their "collective") in December to stay, and still walked in April. It's really gross - except it happened @ MSU so it's cool. Obviously they have been tampered with the whole time and I guess they are two timing it. What a culture Mork built!
Standing at 6-foot-10, Walters' greatest strength is his shooting ability. He shot just under 40 percent from three for the year, even including a mid-year slump where he struggled in the middle of SEC play. One of his best games came in a home overtime win against Florida, where he scored 14 points off the bench on four made threes. Walters' biggest knock his first year was his defense, which kept him off the floor in some bigger spots despite his shooting prowess.
Looks like he hit a freshman wall and my first thought was a summer of Camp Sanderson would do him well but then I just stared at the wall blinking rapidly for a few minutes.
That said I do not begrudge QBs or WRs from not choosing Michigan. Underwood is going to an offense that just had a Heisman winner and guaranteed top 3 pick (well as guaranteed as you could ask from mocks)
Look at JJ - prob the best college QB we have ever had and the only major question on him essentially is "not enough data points" despite being a 2 year starter. It's the offense. If JJ was in the LSU offense for 1 year we'd at least know just about everything he was capable of in terms of college.
Similarly throw Roman Wilson into the Washington or Oregon offenses and he is probably a guaranteed first rounder. Instead... not enough data points. Odunze had 92 catches and 1600 yards alone this year. Polk 62 for 1159. Their 3rd WR has about as many catches as Wilson @ 45. Roman had 48.
Conversely the top OL, TE and RBs should be flocking here in droves.
Sad that every guy could be gone in 12 months. Everyone is a free agent college sucks. No rooting for the players anymore aside for 1 yr as they all could be gone by February
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Offensive minded coach, best WR in the NFL, adequate OL, have a veteran to take the beatings in year 1 ahead of him but not a veteran who is going to be around long to compete against etc. A lot better situation than the others although Chicago has a chance to make a big jump if they hit on their picks.
Lions gave up a lot to move up. Every trade value chart said that it was more appropriate to give up a mid to late 4th.
That said if Arnold is an All Pro no one will care. And we don't know if he is the best corner, the guy from Toledo was taken 2 picks in front of him. And some guy in the 3rd may turn out to be the best in 2 years.
But he is a good Christian boy - aren't you aware of his public persona?
Boy good question
Henne was a 2nd rounder. He started his age 24, 25, and 28 seasons. Career backup from there - 7 seasons, played 17 games total in those 7 years.
His bank account is a winner that's for sure.
Reminds me a bit of rich man's Jim Sorgi who backed up Manning in Indy for 6 years - greatest job in the world, get paid and do nothing while traveling the US and having fun. Guy threw like 150 passes in his career.
Yes look at the 21 draft. Lawrence was "generational" - best QB since Luck but got stuck with Urbz. After that every other QB drafted in the FIRST round has been booted by his team in 3 years!!
They literally have two safeties on the roster lol. Campbell literally said "they are not done at safety" a few weeks ago. The veteran guys in the market want to get paid and not be a backup.
Guys there are injuries in the NFL! One of our starters has 6 games of starter experience! Someone like Joseph they won't be able to afford on contract 2, with all the $$ coming down the pike for Hutch, Laporta, (hopefully) McNeil, and Goff. Branch too, and probably Gibbs.
You can never have enough of secondary players! Especially cheap ones on first year contracts.
Yep! Glasgow had a great year but you never know when a guy tails off in the 30s. Don't see how they retain Decker with the salary cap unless he is willing to do one of those 3 year deals under mkt which is really 2 years and you know you are being cut at age 32 but it gives you 2 years to hang with your buddies Ragnow and Glasgow. Sewell being paid as the top left tackle in the league but playing right tackle long term wouldn't make sense.
Also Ragnow is a friggin warrior, when you read about what he has been going thru injury wise the past few years but he is a retirement risk really any year with how his body has been wrecked. The guys like the one from Duke and Oregon who have that center / guard flexibility would be great for the Lions - if only they had three first/second round picks :D
Lions fans for first time have to confront what these elite franchies like Steelers Ravens Packers have to deal with - you need to pick and choose who you keep and bloodlet the rest and find cheap replacements on first contract deals for all but 6-8 guys on the roster.
Plenty were mocked in 20s across many authors. Most were guys who could be center and guard hybrids.
ZZ was never one of them. Even pre injury he wasn't considered in that echelon when the early mocks were out last fall. But yeah you are going to get a steady 10 year veteran ala Backus type (diff position) I think with Zinter.
Their CB room empties out in a year - this overhaul was for a year. Arnold only guy guaranteed to be back in a year.
And a lot of Campbell talk of hybriding Branch as a safety this offseason. They wanted to not inundate him last year with 2 positions but he sounds a bit like the Chauncy plan - play both.
Mikey is both team captain material and a pure play maker. One of the current starting safeties has all of 6 games of starting material on film. (a good 6 games but just that) and no depth behind it. One gets hurt you move Branch there and Mikey into slot etc. Probably moot as I don't see him falling even to late 2nd round but you never know.
Bigger picture you gotta keep recycling young guys in as the way they are structured with massive spend on OL, WR1, QB, and soon DL & TE you gotta have "cheap" positions too and it looks like it's got to be the secondary and linebackers with how the team is built. Not going to be able to afford a CB1 on the free agent market.
I would like to see them drop out of the 2nd and pick up additional picks. After pick 61 they don't draft until 100 picks later. Can't see them moving up in the 2nd as they don't have draft capital of value unless we are talking 2025 inventory. If they can translate that late 2nd to an early to mid 3rd and an early 4th or something like that it would be positive. Someone like Zinter or equal interior OL value could drop to them in early 4th for example.
Even with our great GM 5th to 7th round picks are generally low probability to pan out. Last year are Colby Sorsdal and Antoine Green, prior year Rodrigo which was a camp phenom but really a special team player on a real team, Houston and Chase Lucas, and first year was Jermar Jefferson. So out of those 3 drafts you have a 7 game run by Houston and cameo by Rodrigo on a really bad roster at the time. Sorsdal was a developmental pick from a small school, so we'll see if he becomes anything in time.
And yes I know Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, and a host of guys who turn into stars as UDFAs or late rounders but it's not the probability vs guys in the 2nd thru 4th.
Hutch v JJ twice a year.
OSU and Georgia have 5 stars sitting on the bench so no it's not all CFB.
A rookie playing a difficult position but still made it to the starting lineup by mid season. Yeah what a punk.
Nothing good ever comes out of Belleville for Michigan.
Rumor is ishbia paid him half a million to get on campus and U of Miami laughs at that
MSU is Miam's bitch (farm system)
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FIRE BORGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT BUT BUT IZZO AND KAMPE 30 YEAR RELATIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah JJ gonna drop to #29 and/or give up the next two years of first round picks and a second to move up 24 spots for unproven JJ and get rid of the first guy to win a playoff game for the franchise, and in fact 2. Also a team leader.
Hand over a NFC champion game team to a guy without a single throw in the NFL.
Jesus.
SF "Jackson" Wolverine
JV02????
I can't wait to yell on a game thread in fall about how this team acts like they just met in the parking lot and don't know each other!!
I doubt one single credit transfers :P
Basket weaving isn't that in demand anymore.
Yes
Word is they took Ishbia's money (ok I am using Ishbia but their "collective") in December to stay, and still walked in April. It's really gross - except it happened @ MSU so it's cool. Obviously they have been tampered with the whole time and I guess they are two timing it. What a culture Mork built!
Rico Beard blaming this on Stallions and JJ and Harbaugh in 3...2....1
You just hate to see it. Maybe he would come here to be 9th string???
“Scrappy”
“Loves the game”
“Plays the game the right way”
“Gym rat”
“First one in, last one out”
“High motor”
“Blue collar, lunch pail type of guy”
“Such a student of the game”
“Does all the little things”
Cool - a smaller Charles Matthews. Will be nice to have people interested in defending again.
Looks like he hit a freshman wall and my first thought was a summer of Camp Sanderson would do him well but then I just stared at the wall blinking rapidly for a few minutes.
The basketball BBQ event really paid off...
The staff that developed those players are all gone. Pretty easy to negative recruit on that.
Also see we will pay you more than them straight out of HS. That helps.
Moore, Carr, Underwood.
That said I do not begrudge QBs or WRs from not choosing Michigan. Underwood is going to an offense that just had a Heisman winner and guaranteed top 3 pick (well as guaranteed as you could ask from mocks)
Look at JJ - prob the best college QB we have ever had and the only major question on him essentially is "not enough data points" despite being a 2 year starter. It's the offense. If JJ was in the LSU offense for 1 year we'd at least know just about everything he was capable of in terms of college.
Similarly throw Roman Wilson into the Washington or Oregon offenses and he is probably a guaranteed first rounder. Instead... not enough data points. Odunze had 92 catches and 1600 yards alone this year. Polk 62 for 1159. Their 3rd WR has about as many catches as Wilson @ 45. Roman had 48.
Conversely the top OL, TE and RBs should be flocking here in droves.
plus lack of cash money and a Benz to someone straight out of HS vs returning players.
Moore to Oakland (Vegas) confirmed?
Thought JV02 started this thread...
Can we get JV02's thoughts on this???
Finally the Justin Boren trade is finalized.
Sad that every guy could be gone in 12 months. Everyone is a free agent college sucks. No rooting for the players anymore aside for 1 yr as they all could be gone by February
loooooooooooooooool
bronxblue is sucking 2 dicks at once and has this as a sweet 16 team and fapping to purdue
floor is .400ish
Its a collection of misfit items like last year. Check back in March
will moore have more commits than may next 5 mo?
Asking for rcmb
Last year Ben Hall and that WR guy Peyton who never played a meaningful minute starred
Which means the entire thread means nothing. Just as all the haters on the OSU spring game.
We wont go 17-0 only becaue we can only go 15-0
The wishone offense is going to be sick
Remember Ben Hall and O'Leary were last years stars. Neither played vs real competition.
because they see it every day in practice and it ain't good.
So why dont we tamper like everyone else and purchase him like OSU purchased their all star freshman safety?
Run the wishbone. Win 10-3 every game. Make Iowa jealous.
Arkansas is being fronted by a family member of the Tyson family. You know - nearly every damn chicken eaten in the US. Those guys,.
Younger guys are more difficult to get credits to transfer tho.