Which player will get the red shirted
I've always wondered how this decision is made. I'm sure there are many more fans out there with more knowledge than I concerning this issue. At what point is a player no longer able to be red shirted-could a sophmore player be red shirted? Which Players do feel will get the red shirt this year? Seems like this is the time in the season when this question comes to fruition. Can McGuffie still be red shirted if he is hurt?
October 31st, 2008 at 5:53 PM ^
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October 31st, 2008 at 8:29 PM ^
October 31st, 2008 at 10:57 PM ^
is no longer eligible for redshirting?Can Michael Shaw be red shirted? Good question Mason- I still don't understand at what point of playing an athelte is no longer able to be red shirted. Can a player refuse to be redshirted? I ask because with the season going the way it has to this point would it not make sense to redshirt some of Michigan's younger players? Whenever I've asked sports buffs these questions, I "always" get different answers, which makes me believe alot of fans are in the dark about redshirting players. If a player is declared to be redshirted, how does that affect his scholarship? Would a redshirted freshmen, have to pay for his college expenses if he decided to play his 5th year? Once a player is declared redshirted, is that player no longer eligible for the season-can he be "unredshirted"? Thanks for the help to these questions.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:29 PM ^
From the NCAA site:
"It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition."
That being said, the governing body is allowed to make special exemptions. Medical redshirts occur fairly frequently, especially when an injury or illness occurs within the first couple weeks of the season. Hemingway would probably be an example of this.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:41 PM ^
There are many common misconceptions about the "redshirt." The main one is that there is no such thing as a player who is "being redshirted." At the end of the season, the team looks at their roster and determines who used up a year of eligibility and who didn't. Teams don't have to declare redshirts, they happen automatically--no paperwork required. It's not a matter of choice for the player, either; if you are a freshman and you do not play, you still have 4 years of eligibility left. Your team may give you 4 more years of scholarships (if they want).
As far as the medical redshirt is concerned, that is a little different. It requires paperwork, and official NCAA approval. If a football player plays 3 games or less, and is injured before the start of the 7th game, he may apply for a medical redshirt. If he has not yet been redshirted, the application is almost always granted. If he has already had a redshirt year, the 6th year of eligibility is a little more problematic, but it is usually granted. Given those rules, Shaw and Hemingway are not eligible for the medical redshirt--Shaw has played in 6 games, and Hemingway played in 4 games.
Everything can be appealed, though, and if you ask nicely, sometimes the NCAA grants an exception, if they are in a good mood.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:14 AM ^
Shaw has played way to much and has not medical issue, in fact I bet he gets at least 5 carries tomorrow.
Hemmingway is going to get a redshirt from the ncaa, you get mono after the 3rd game and miss 75% of the season thats pretty much a sure thing.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:50 AM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 10:46 AM ^
I don't know whether this is true or not. Whether the kid wants to play that year or not, the coaches are going to use their players at the coaches' disposal. For example, if JT Floyd said "I want to play this year" but Rodriguez doesn't see an opportunity for him on the field, then he'll just keep him out of games. Regardless, the kid can leave after four years - either as a true senior or a redshirt junior. It's not like the coaches can prevent a kid from leaving after four years if the kid wants.
Bottom line: The coaches are going to try to put the best players on the field, regardless of age or redshirt status. (Exceptions might occur near the end of the year, for example, when the coaches might keep Terrance Robinson off the field because he'd burn a year of eligibility to play 3 or 4 games.)
November 1st, 2008 at 9:19 AM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 9:38 AM ^
"...the second Shaw stepped on the field vs. Utah, the possibility of redshirting him was gone."
chitownblue: that's not exactly correct. As I clumsily explained above, there are 2 types of redshirt. For the first type, what I will call the "basic" redshirt, that statement is correct. It is only obtained by not playing for an entire season.
But there is what is commonly called the "medical redshirt"--what the NCAA calls the "hardship waiver." It is explained in section 14.2.4 of the NCAA manual. This is when a player plays in less than 30 percent of his team's games and is injured before the halfway point in the regular season.
Shaw is not eligible for this type of redshirt either, obviously, but he did not lose his eligibility for it "the second he stepped on the field vs. Utah." He lost it the second he stepped on the field vs. Illinois (his fourth game of the season).November 1st, 2008 at 10:39 AM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 5:52 PM ^
He said in a recent interview something like "people have been asking me about the redshirted players.."
Rod went on to explain Michigan is fielding it's best players.. as much raw talent JT Floyd or Kenny Demens or whoever might have, the coaching staff feels like they aren't ready to see playing time yet.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:59 PM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 8:37 PM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 7:59 PM ^
Alton cleared up another of my questions about scholarships and the red shirt, Alton states"Your team may give you four more years of scholarships (if they want)". I understand you to say that the redshirt year could be a scholarship year if the college chooses such. I assume that decision is made by the college during the last year of eligibility? This might explain why some fifth year seniors decide not to play out their fifth year-no scholarship money-the play walks.
So with the above knowledge, one could certainly argue why waste a redshirt opportunity with Shaw and Feagin. These players should now be played more with the season records gone-next year can't get here soon enough for this fan. Thanks again for the help.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:44 PM ^
A few points:
- During the recruiting process redshirting is discussed for several reasons. These reasons can be, one or a combination of: depth at position, skill development, body development, grades, etc. Each institution and student-athlete has different circumstances.
- I believe there might be a misconception that an institution can only pay (scholarship) for four years of schooling. As long as the player has eligiblity remaining during that school year and he/she is on a roster the athletic program can use a scholarship on that person. Whether that year occurs as redshirting as a freshman right out of high school or as a 6th year senior, who applied and was granted a hardship waiver (medical redshirt), it does not matter.
- I also believe that the NCAA might use playing less than 30% of the season for all sports when applying for a hardship waiver. I don't know how they work with football, as much as I do basketball, but they are very strict on the 30%. In basketball, all post-season games (conference tournament, NIT and NCAA tournament) only count as one game toward toward the teams overall total when computing the 30%. Last year, North Carolina's Bobby Frasor tore the ligaments in his knee and played in like 30.8% of UNC's game and was not granted an extra year of eligibility. Carolina fans were excited because they thought with all the games they played (7 in the ACC and NCAA tournament) he had only played in 26% of the games, but, as stated before, any amount of post-season games still only counts as one towards the 30% when computing for the hardship waiver.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:02 PM ^
November 1st, 2008 at 10:24 PM ^
You are allowed to redshirt a student-athlete no matter his/her age. Chris Weinke, at 28 years old, could have redshirted during the year he won the Heisman (2000) if Florida State wanted and had him play the next year to use his fifth year of elgibility.
- All student-athletes have 5 years to complete 4 years of competition. The extra year left over is the redshirt year (optional). Per NCAA rules, once a student-athlete starts his/her elgibility a 5 year "clock" starts. Once the clock expires, the student-athletes exhausts his/her eligibility. Example: if John Linebacker went to Michigan out of high school and played two seasons then left Michigan but did not play football for any college for two more years (4 total years) and wanted to return to college football, John would only have one year of eligibility left. There are infinite examples and scenarios.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:28 PM ^
The clock starts either when the player plays his/her first game or attends his/her first college class, whichever comes first. So for winter or spring sports, the clock starts on the first day of fall classes (assuming the player attends).