SIAP, but I didn't see it. Arizona self imposes 1 yr post season tournament ban
Should teams be allowed to self impose during a modified year where kids will get another year of eligibility if they want?
December 30th, 2020 at 7:48 AM ^
Yes - but just because they self-imposed the ban doesn't mean the NCAA will limit their punishment to just that.
December 30th, 2020 at 8:06 AM ^
Right, it depends on the reputation of the school and how much money they will bring into the NCAA. The NCAA is about one thing... money.
December 30th, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^
If the NCAA were not about money, how would college sports be better? How would they be worse? I'm guessing coaches would be paid less and players might be paid in some way and there would be less under-the-table player payments, but I'm really not sure.
December 30th, 2020 at 11:59 AM ^
If that were true, the NCAA would be dissolved because it loses so much money. Div I schools lost an average of more than $13 million in 2016, while that year the average for Div II was north of $4.5 million and Div II schools lost an average of more than $2 million.
The idea that the NCAA "is about one thing... money" doesn't withstand even the slightest scrutiny. It is an association of schools that voluntarily lose money on sports.
December 30th, 2020 at 8:17 AM ^
The goal of a post season ban, in most cases, should be to "punish" the program and not necessarily the players. So I'm fine with a postseason ban this year, despite the modified year.
December 30th, 2020 at 8:30 AM ^
Announcing a post-season ban when you’re a third of the way through the season and it’s evident that you’re at best a 50-50 shot to even play in a postseason isn’t quite the same thing as a real postseason ban.
December 30th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
December 30th, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^
As I said before, we need to voluntarily impose a 1 year ban this year and get future "credit" for when we get caught with excessive stretching in the future. The Michigan Difference!
December 30th, 2020 at 10:33 AM ^
Was more meant to be a general statement than specific to this situation. The idea that post season bans shouldn't be allowed because the players get an extra year of eligibility doesn't jive with me because the goal of a post season ban shouldn't be to punish the players.
December 30th, 2020 at 11:02 AM ^
Ultimately, if they coach isn't monetarily punished, and the school isn't monetarily punished, a one year self inflicted ban, when you're team might not qualify anyway, where is the punishment. The players are part of the reason the school is in this issue. No one made them take the money, and if they weren't, or their representatives weren't requesting the money, on their behalf, they wouldn't be in this situation.
December 30th, 2020 at 8:22 AM ^
SIAP="be gentle"?
December 30th, 2020 at 8:57 AM ^
To be fair, SIAP is generally far better than the posts I am always tempted to label "IGNORE" for "I Gave No Recognizable Effort".
December 30th, 2020 at 8:33 AM ^
Is this like opting out of a bowl game and then imposing a postseason ban on yourself shortly after? Seems like something the NCAA would see and say, "yep, they're doing a good job self policing."
December 30th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
I bet they wouldn't self-impose if they were a top team like they used to be.
December 30th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^
with their coach caught on tape brokering a $100K payment to a recruit? and he self-suspended for one game. and another coach who went to the federal pen for taking $20K under the table? can't believe how tough they are on themselves. very admirable.
December 30th, 2020 at 9:51 AM ^
I wouldn't doubt that they think the negative publicity was part of already having been punished.
December 30th, 2020 at 9:56 AM ^
And Christian Dawkins was covicted of bribery and given jail time.
December 30th, 2020 at 10:49 AM ^
Its like LSU giving themselves a bowl ban this year. If you're going to cut yourself out from postseason play, this is the year to do it. During a lost season full of cancelled games. A season that most everyone is going to place an asterisk next to anyway.
Hard to hate Arizona for doing that. Or LSU. If they know that's all they're going to have to do to move on, then why not? Why choose to throw yourself at the NCAA's mercy instead? Might as well punish myself on my own terms if I feel pretty good about my chances that the NCAA will leave me alone after that.
At this point, I almost just sit there and say Michigan should join in. There really seem to be no benefits anymore to following the rules to the letter when its clear that other schools are thumbing their noses at the NCAA, giving themselves BS punishments, and completely getting away with it.
December 30th, 2020 at 12:59 PM ^
Their really isn't even a bowl season this year. No way that shit should count when considering sanctions in the future.
December 30th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
There are a few implications of players getting another year.
First is that the true freshman playing will be more at risk of injury, playing older and more physically mature players... Man strength comes around 24. Though I guess this offsets by less true freshman playing.
Second, the quality of play should improve, with more seasoned and older starters across the board.
December 30th, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
NCAA needs to put the hammer down on Zona. 1 year is a joke.
December 30th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
I say to stop punishing the future players that have nothing to do with the sanctions. If there are currently ones on the team involved, revoke their scholarship if it fits the infraction or punish them accordingly. As far as the coach who exercises total lack of institutional control, give them a one season ban from coaching. Your ass sits out a year because you are a cheating mofo I bet you will straighten your shit up. That's ultimately what made Kelvin Sampson finally stop cheating.
December 30th, 2020 at 1:29 PM ^
There punishment doesn't fit the crime. They were found to be recruiting violations. So they should have scholarships taken away, 3 a year for 4 years. Or double the recruits they were to have paid. 2 recruits = 4 scholarships for 1 year then 3 for the next until they are done. But a postseason ban when you aren't going to even make the tournament is a joke.