OT: Ken Holland: next GM of the Edmonton Oilers?
Well, hot damn if true!
They can have him.
Thanks for the great years and the Stanley Cups (among other great things and memories). When all is said and done, he'll be the Red Wings' most accomplished GM in all its storied history as a program.
The most accomplished and maybe the most overrated GM in history. Illitich opened his wallet to Holland and said get me my championship. Much success early in his career. Four Stanley Cup championships. Detroit was Hockeytown. Great time to be a Wings fan. Once the lockout forced a salary cap, Holland looked oblivious as to how to manage a roster. Bloated contracts. Terrible personnel decision. Loyalty to aging players. Inability to adjust to the change of hockey. Allowing Babcock to walk for some unknown AHL coach (dumb).
I wish Holland the best, but I'm glad he's gone and there's new leadership.
You are mostly correct expect the part about letting Babcock walk. Babcock is getting 6.25M per season in Toronto. He was offered a significant raise from his previous 2M per season. There was no way the Wings should have matched that amount, especially with the team we have. No coach is saving the Wings for at least another couple years. They have massive holes to fill and contracts to shed.
I agree with that. The Wings were in a state of purgatory and Babcock saw that. However, Babcock was given some personnel control of the Maple Leafs, something Holland would never give up. So not only did Babcock get paid what was due to him but he also able to assist in building this team. Win/Win for Babs, IMO.
Holland didn't just see the state of purgatory, he created it.
And prolonged it by refusing to step aside and let Stevie Y takeover 9 years ago.
I don't think Babcock is that good of a coach. He consistently plays his 3rd and 4th lines too much in crunch time. That's what inhibits the teams he coaches to catch up when they get behind. That's why they've lost 7-game series 2 years in a row. For the amount of money he is paid, he underachieves.
Blashill walked into an impossible situation, but hasn't done himself any favors by playing the aging players more than he should and not giving AA enough minutes, but unless Scotty Bowman himself was the coach of the wings, this decline was inevitable.
Canadians revered Babcock because their national team won with him "coaching" in the Olympics, which is ridiculous. His reputation was made up there for his work two weeks every four years. The Leafs got suckered.
HAWT TAKE
Babs has won everything there is to win from IIHF World Junior to the Stanley Cup... but mmmkay.
Blashill gained green and Larkin from babcock’s last team and finished with 7 fewer points and got dominated by Tampa in 5 as opposed to babcock nearly winning in 7 (it took a missed, clear penalty by Johnson stepping on glendening’s ankle, forcing him to leave when he was helping shut down that line, an unwarranted game 7 suspension to kronwall and a fluke whiffed shot with 3 minutes left going 5 hole on the goalie to lose 1-0). Blashill has no knowledge of the game whatsoever. It’s very clear. The wings have more talent than the islanders. They lose Tavares and bring in a coach that knows what he’s doing and they get immensely better. Babcock is good at overachieving with bad-average teams and underachieving with good-great teams. Blashill is bad no matter what.
Then why the hell did the Wings extend Blashill? More Holland BS?
Agreed!
Plus his last few drafts have left Stevie and the boys in great shape.
Holland might have been over rated during the championships but what he has done the last few years is totally lost on the haters.
Apparently they're not alone, the Ilitch family thinks so too.
Article states that it will be up to Ken Holland if he wants it. So it sounds like they haven't really talked to him too much about it.
I don't really care if he does, but I would be surprised if he leaves his new "VP" position that he was just promoted to.
As much of a shit show as Edmonton has been, being able to build a championship team around the best player in the world is one hell of an opportunity for him.
True, but Edmonton has also had great young talent for years at this point and it's never amounted to anything. He did a great job with the Wings, but when he became the GM in 1998, he was handed a much much much much better situation than Edmonton is in currently.
Not taking anything away from Holland, but saying that it's probably too risky and stressful to try this at this stage in his career.
Crosby doesn’t play for the oilers
You should be sent to Bolivia.
Hot damn is right! Edmonton NEEDS this to work out.
BTW, what the hell are the Sabres waiting for in their coaching search or better yet, who? They better hope whomever it is is a done deal of they're looking at another lottery pick.
Maybe Buffalo needs to go the college route like Dallas did in Montgomery. He's had some pretty good success since coaching in the NHL.
So long as he's not the Red Wings' GM next year, I'm content.
I'd bet he holds out for a shot a Seattle since it's a rare opportunity to build a team from scratch like that.
I agree with you here. Obviously, the opportunity to have McDavid and Draisaitl on your roster is tempting, as is returning Edmonton to 'glory.' However, I would argue that Edmonton has maybe not significantly more - but more - bad contracts than Detroit. Any GM candidate that comes in to Edmonton and tells them that they can really compete within a year or two is selling a line.
Seattle is a unique opportunity to build his team from the absolute ground up. Plus, despite the fact that he's been in Detroit forever he's only what - 65 years old? Look at Lamoriello, who is essentially getting his 3rd lease on a new start at 75/76. Last point is that Seattle is very close to Holland's original hometown, to which I believe he still travels each summer.
He would be so clueless how to do that
If he couldn't help the Wings rebuild, how could he benefit Edmonton? I'd say Jim Devellano, Scotty Bowman, Hakan Andersson, and even Jim Nill had more to do with the Wings dynasty than Holland. He was basically given the keys to a Ferrari by Jimmy D and told "don't crash". A chimp with Illitch's checkbook could have done the job.
None of those guys had anything to do with Mantha, Bertuzzi, Larkin, Cholowski, Hronek, Rasmussen, Zadina, Veleno, McIssac, Larsson and those guys are next.
...and none of those guys have won a single play-off game. In the end, I hope you're proven right, but I think it's a bit rash to be giving credit before it's been earned. I know it's the current style to reward potential, but it's not my thing.
Well, except for Larkin, he's 1-4 in the playoffs but has scored a playoff goal already :)
Yzerman was 1-6 in the playoffs after his first three years.
Not sure how relevant your "playoff win" litmus test is but that's a 30 goal scorer, two 20 goal scorers and a group of young quality defencemen representing the core of the team for the next 10 years; now, with Stevie in charge plus being original 6, they'll have a much easier time signing big time free agents.
I'd rather be a Wings fan today than a Oilers fan and two years ago that was a ludicrous concept, things change quick in the NHL.
Rasmusssen is not. He seems like a good kid but his ceiling is fourth line center or 2nd/3rd line AHL. Holland reached way too high. I don’t care how other GMs rated him, it was clear he has low skill, low IQ, and a below average skater who does not use his size at all other than on screens.
You and your "feelings" lol.
Reality is the kid got 62 games in and has scored 8 goals in the NHL.
His hands for his size are beyond elite and he could routinely score 20 power play goals a year.
Yes he's a below average skater, yes he's used to dominating with his size which won't work at the NHL level but I think he gets at least one off season to show if he can adjust or not.
Ok, Kenny didn't leave the cupboard totally bare. I was just irked by the, "Hey I'll sign my fishin buddies to overpriced long term contracts with no trade clauses!" In the cap era ya gotta be ruthless (unfortunately). Stevie Y traded LeCavalier and St. Louis without a second thought even though they won a cup with Tampa Bay. I'm confident The Captain will not only right the ship, but do it like a MUTHAFUKIN SUPERBOSS!
But only a chimp like Caesar...
God I hope so
Poor Edmonton
Doesn't the downfall of the Red Wings correlate with the exits of the great Russian players (and Lidstrom)? And wasn't that Devellanos doing?
IMO Ken Holland and/ or Mr. I, wanted to keep the playoff streak alive so bad that they traded high draft picks and prospects to get rentals. They didn't care that the Wings lost in 4 or 5 games of the 1st round. Signing/re-signing players to big money that are not worth big money is also part of it.
Huh, I hadn’t thought of this. Ilitch was a great owner, but it is certainly true that he put a lot of pressure on the Tigers front office to act against their better judgment in pursuit of a title before he died. I’m fine with that, but Dombrowski DID manage to build a title-winner elsewhere and it was a cost.
So if ownership was influencing Holland to piece together a competitive team, that does help explain some of the bad choices.
Not all of them, though. Holland seems ill-suited to being a GM in the cap era with such widespread European scouting. Gone are the days that the Wings could strike on under-the-radar prospects like Datsyuk and Zetterberg to build the core of a Cup team.
The stars teams build winners around today are guys you find at the top of the draft, and Holland has neither drafted there nor done a particularly good job identifying cheap but useful talent to assemble a team that can compete without such stars.
Actually, I beg to differ.
Athanasiou was an incredible value in the 4th round, especially in 2012 when size was still being emphasized over speed.
Larkin at 15 was a steal, especially the leadership qualities and home town connection.
He also got Mantha AND Bertuzzi by moving back 2 spots in '13.
Plus last year's draft was a steal at all the first four picks.
Glending and Dekesyer were good value as free agents out of college.
Finally, consider Mrazk, Janmark, Jensen and others having success on other teams.
Add it up I think it shows Holland knows talent and he's left some for Stevie to have success with.
If not for some horrible fielding by pitchers, the Tigers beat the Cardinals in the WS.
But if you think about it, weren't they right?
The teams that won the cup the last few years weren't the young teams with the next generation of talent, they were the old grizzly vets who knew how to win playoff games. The Wings actually had a better chance with their vets than they would've with an "overhaul".
Sure, they failed spectacularly but it was the smart play.
Ken Holland is like Red Bersenson. They did a lot of really good things, they just stayed around too long.
I think Wings fans vastly under appreciate Holland. While I agree it is time for him to move on, the way he selflessly orchestrated the transition to Yzerman with absolutely zero drama is commendable.
Think of any other time a GM or exec phased himself out so seamlessly and with no hard feelings. You can’t.
While Wings fans have soured on Holland, he is still viewed as a Hall of Fame executive around the league. The fans in Edmonton will be just as happy to have Holland as Wings fans were to get Yzerman.
So true now, no doubt.
The more I consider it, it would have been faaaaar worse to usher Holland out so that Yzerman could be put in this hot seat.
No matter what direction a GM took, dismantling that team of drunken sailor spending to fit in a cap was going to be a failure and, since we know how quickly these "fans" turn on an old athlete who under performs as a coach/GM, it really helped that Stevie got some team building experience in Tampa while Holland restocked.
I think the fact that Yzerman is back and Holland has so deftly stepped aside is a really good indication the organization thinks this roster has set the Captain up for success.
I would love for people watching the canes islanders game tell me again how barzal isn’t a superstar controlling the puck, dictating the pace of the game and opening up the ice for others and then tell me how kucherov standing waiting for a one timer when it’s 5 on 5 makes him more of a superstar?
Pulled out the Kucherov voodoo doll for some stabbin, eh?
The Pizzarena won’t be the same without Kenny around...
The quicker he is out of Stevie's way the better
All Edmonton needs is a couple season Free Agents and some good "Role Models"