Big 2019 OT Danielson Ike Plans 3 Day Visit to A2

Submitted by CincyBlue on November 29th, 2018 at 11:08 AM

He will take an official visit the weekend prior to the early signing period.   6'6 300 pounds from KC, rated as a 3 star OT with a Bama offer. 

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Diagonal Blue

November 29th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^

"Bama offer," does anyone really think Bama would an accept a commitment from him right now? Absolutely not. He dropped like a rock in the latest 247 rankings and has been getting IU crystal balls.

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bluepalooza

November 29th, 2018 at 11:26 AM ^

Poster with zero points says Bama offer not committable.  Sheesh....  I really don't understand many of the comments made on forums.  I get it, many are frustrated after the Saturday debacle, but Olineman are the biggest crap shoot going.  I do now believe Michigan has a very capable Oline talent scout (Warinner).  Let's give the coaching staff some credit.  And lets be encouraged by this development.

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BlueLava009

November 29th, 2018 at 12:12 PM ^

I mean I don't see how he is wrong?  Bama has two top 50 OT committed, small class, and only take like 3-5 3 stars a year.  Michigan might now have a guy who can spot and develop talent sure, but I'd rather he be develop 5 star talent than 3 star talent.  Stars matter, rankings matter, it is ignorant to say other wise.  Osu's, has 24 top 100 recruits over the past two years, and they proved stars matter last Saturday when our might 3 star army attempted to compete with them....(Michigan has 22 2/3 stars in that same time frame, only 6 top 100 recruits.)  

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uofmfan_13

November 29th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

Stars matter at certain positions.  They  matter most at QB, WR, and then most, if not all, of defense.  I am torn on DT and think those can be "molded" and developed.  Would like to see more data on it though.

Offensive line has proven NOT to matter.  Read up on it.  Brian posted a brief link to this topic back in August as well.  Nearly all of the 1st round NFL draft picks at Tackle were NOT ranked in the composite top 300 or 500 or whatever.  Guys can be found, molded, developed.  Establish depth and competition and sign smart, athletic guys and it will pay off. 

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uofmfan_13

November 29th, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^

Agree.  The whole "STARZ" debate is so asinine and non-nuanced at times by certain people here.  Yes, recruiting matters and the rankings and scout industry help to quantify it.  It especially matters at certain positions.  QB is ESSENTIAL to longer-term success.  If you don't get 4 or 5 star QBs with regularity you are in real danger of falling behind.  Same with WR and then most of your defense.  Again, would like to see numbers on "elite" DTs or even just "next level" DTs.  Feel like good ones... space-eating and gap-eating ones can be molded.   

It truly doesn't matter as much at these other positions like O-line.  Sorry, it just doesn't.  The scouts have their beliefs about "5-star" tackles and guards and such but the data and career trajectory doesn't support these ratings or projections.  Sign athletic, smart, hard-working guys and then mold them in a modern fitness program and you'll see good results.  Like Wisconsin.    

One final thing too, and Brian and others have touched on this: the recruiting industry consolidation means less scouting and less knowledgeable info about many of the guys not deemed "in the top 300" or not at their shoe-sponsored camps.  Recruiting / scouting industry is less reliable then it used to be.  

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BlueLava009

November 29th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^

First, theres an average of what 2-3 Oline taken each year in the 1st round, not sure thats a good sticking point for ROI.  IMO, a better comparison would be the rate of AA that are 3/4/5 stars, the rate ins which 3/4/5 are drafted overall, etc...  The whole notion stars dont matter for any specific position is silly as well. I understand it may be a more difficult position to predict; that's a fair statement.  But a 5 star is still likely to produce than a 2/3 star, at ANY position.  The top guys are already more talented and more athletic than the lower ranked guys.  Subjective data does not change that point, it has been discussed and proven to be true time and time again here.  I can point to many objective articles that would support my conclusion.  

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Diagonal Blue

November 29th, 2018 at 12:48 PM ^

This is fake news. To say stars don't matter on the OL is just ridiculous. There are thousands of 2 and 3 star players every year, there are only 30 or so 5 star players every year. Of course the potential for a few of those 2 and 3 star guys to develop into 1st rounds picks is there but the percentages are extremely low. Tell Georgia and Bama and OSU that 4 and 5 star OL don't mean anything. 

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uofmfan_13

November 29th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^

Ahhh, a "fake news" charge from the MGoGrump with 0 points and a constant troll of various recruiting topics here.

I didn't say 5 star OL don't mean "anything", did I?  But a year-in and year out stockpiling of "5 star" talent at oline isn't as essential to competing with OSU and the so-called "elites".  OL can be groomed, prepped, and fashioned into above-average and really quality players even stars, no matter the rankings.  With time and patience... things in short supply among a lot of fan bases.   

Let's look and see what Wisconsin has done the past 10 years.  I pulled all the current Badger O-Line players in the NFL and used Rivals to see the "STARZ ranking".  Pretty striking how they've turned developmental "straw" into NFL starter "gold".  Michigan hasn't even achieved half this success with o-linemen in the past decade.  With continuity and smart coaching, don't think Michigan can at least match Wisconsin in this area?  And if we do, O-line won't be the reason we perpetually lose to the Buck-Os.  It wasn't even the reason this year!

I'm confident we can get there with our coaches (Warriner, etc) and better roster management. 

#38 Position Ranking, 3-star: Ryan Groy  Buffalo Bills        Guard

#43 Position Ranking, 3-Star: Rob Havenstein       Los Angeles Rams            Offensive Tackle

N/R, 7th best in Minnesota (3-Star) Tyler Marz      Tennessee Titans             Offensive Tackle

N/R, 0-Star (Transferred into WI after 2 years):  Ryan Ramczyk     New Orleans Saints   Offensive Tackle

N/R (Couldn’t even find him in Rivals database!) Rick Wagner       Detroit Lions      Offensive Tackle

39th Position Ranking, 3-Star: Kevin Zeitler             Cleveland Browns            Guard

 

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BlueLava009

November 29th, 2018 at 6:41 PM ^

You point out 6 players lol....Not even enough to field a squad.  But you're prolly right, those 6 unranked players honor play in the NFL makes a rule right?  Get real, its asinine of you to suggest stars dont matter.  I mean honestly, not a single team in the Big Ten competes with OSU on a year to year basis, we all recruit at a lower level.  Sure like ONE team a year might beat them, but as long as osu is pulling in 1/8th of the top recruits in the nation on a bi annual basis and the rest of the big ten pulls in maybe 10 top 100 recruits collectively they will also be the class of the Big ten.  Rest your laurels on average recruiting just dont complain anymore when we lose 15 of 16 and then 16 of 17 and then 18 of 19 vs osu.....

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Magnus

November 29th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^

The OP implied that Ike wasn't given a committable Alabama offer, but there's a difference between an offer when it is given and the status of that offer here in late November. Lots of schools' windows have closed for recruiting certain positions, because they're full at that spot or they have their eyes on one or two guys.

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JonnyHintz

November 29th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^

So did OSU also prove Stars matter when they lost by 29 points to Purdue? What about when they lost by 31 to Iowa last year? They have quite a few losses to PSU and MSU in recent years, did stars matter then too? 

No, stars do not matter. Identifying good football players that fit your scheme and your culture is what matters. Sometimes that matches up with the star system, sometimes it doesn’t. Depending on how picky you are (Talking stars vs actual ranking), the star system is wrong far more often that it’s correct. 

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wolverine1987

November 29th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^

You are categorically wrong, objectively wrong, which has been proved at least a dozen times both on this blog and elsewhere, and can be accessed by google. It is not a matter of opinion.

Stars are indeed less reliable on the o-line, but as a rule, and for team talent, they correlate to team success. That is factual.

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NelzQ

November 29th, 2018 at 1:02 PM ^

Thank you, JonnyHintz.

Purdue nor Maryland were in awe of OSU. They punched them and then kept the blows coming.

Michigan flat out choked. It did not appear that they were in kick-ass mode for a single minute.

Exhibit A: Crossing routes can be stopped by physical play. Leave a safety home (Jamarick Woods?) playing middle zone with instructions to decapitate any receiver crossing the middle.

OSU's receivers never showed respect for the big hit because it never was delivered.

 

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4th and Go For It

November 29th, 2018 at 11:56 AM ^

Stars are not nearly as useful in predicting O-Line development and performance as in most other positions. Get guys and develop them into good lineman. plain and simple. This guy is tackle shaped and needs development. Also Indiana has produced several NFL lineman recently - let's not act like this is a huge neg on him.  The kid has offers from Bama (got a in house visit from them), and Oklahoma along with a number of B1G schools. He's from Nigeria and has like 3 years of football under his belt. Give Ed some credit here.

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uofmfan_13

November 29th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^

Yep, you're spot on.  The shrill, ill-informed postings of some of the blanket "STARZ matter" crowd gets tiresome.  

Stars and recruiting rankings matter for certain positions.  And of course it is better to get well-scouted, athletic guys.  The "STARZ" year after year really matters in volume and over time.  It matters for QB, WR, arguably TE and then most, if not all, defensive positions. 

Does it matter for Kicker?  Based on what I saw this year from Nordin, NO.

Does it matter for RB?  Short of that RB being Adrian Peterson with home-run hitter speed I would say NO.  There are tons of good RBs like Kareem Hunt or the kid at Memphis now and on and on who weren't heavily scouted or recruited that turned out to be fine college and PRO RBs.

And finally, for Offensive line, maybe short of Center (a vital communication / leader position) it is ESTABLISHED that stars don't really matter too much.  Sorry, they just don't.  Look at the top (1st round) draft picks at OT and OG past several years -- they are lower-rated or lower-scouted guys.  Proven time and time again.  Recruit athletic, if unrefined tackle-sized men and then (with good coaching) it will pay off.  

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4th and Go For It

November 29th, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^

Look it up, Maizen. O-Line recruits do not pan out at according to star ratings at anywhere near the rate of other positions. They don't get drafted as consistently. It's a high variance position to evaluate at the HS level.  More stars is better is generally true, and we need better athletes to topple the elite of CFB, of which we are not a member currently.

On the other hand high-upside 3 and 4 star prospects are great gets and this kid fits that to a tee. Someone who didn't grow up in America playing football his whole life and has only begun to master the game but is 6' 6" and 300+ lbs.  You can't be pissed about all 3 star kids equally, bud. OSU has 4, 3-Stars in their class this year - are they all shit too? They took 3 of them last year as well - one named Chris Olave. Ring a bell? This act is old. We don't pay players so we're left with getting the best kids available - we'll always be taking 3-star and low 4-star kids along with a handful of top prospects. Our best bet is to get really damn good at evaluating and developing those kids. 

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4th and Go For It

November 29th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^

Sure let me spend my time educating you by doing your research for you. That sounds like a brilliant use of my time. If you have such great data to hand to support your claims why haven't you used it to refute mine? Ah right. Because you can't. Keep dying on that that fact-free hill of yours.

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