Betsy Andreu on the Lance Documentary

Submitted by Reno Drew on June 7th, 2020 at 5:40 PM

Nice follow up article with Betsy Andreu about the Lance Armstrong documentary.   Growing up in Michigan, I was always cheering for Frankie.  When Betsy testified against Lance,  that the first time I started to doubt the Lance story.   Maybe since I knew she was a Michigan grad, I trusted her word over his.  While I've never met either Frankie or Betsy, it turns out we have a lot of mutual friends.  Glad to see she's still trying to get her side of the story out (and a nice photo of the two of them at Michigan stadium) 

https://deadspin.com/betsy-andreu-speaks-out-on-lance-and-lance-1843907699

Swazi

June 7th, 2020 at 6:50 PM ^

Cycling is possibly the dirtiest sport in the world.  Any allegation of PEDs on anyone in that sport shouldn't be taken lightly.

wolpherine2000

June 7th, 2020 at 10:07 PM ^

No question that cycling has been filthy for a long time. But I'm almost certain that its perception as the dirtiest sport owes a lot to the testing regime and biological passport which are the strongest in sport. No one wants to see what would happen to the NFL or MLB if those sports were subject to USADA testing protocols.

baileyb7

June 8th, 2020 at 6:57 AM ^

Dirtiest sport by far, especially in that era, which is why his seven wins are legit - everyone else was cheating.  If we are all cheating, then the best athlete who is equally cheating will win.  Someone tried to figure out who would have won with Lance's DQs but all the top finishers ended up with a PED violation at some point around that era.  It was a joke.

Mgotri

June 8th, 2020 at 9:00 AM ^

On the other hand, it's kinda like the bagman in college sports: we know it's happening and in order to win you have to be doing it. So, pick your poison on how you want to cheat. 

As with the bagman, I have mixed feelings about whether or not it should be allowed in endurance sports. (In the bagman case, I like the idea of amateurs, but not the reality that we have. So pay them already) The testing will always be lagging the cheating. So how can you stop it entirely? It may be better for the sport to allow the safer substances (for example, there's a lot of safety data around EPO at this point because of it's prevalence in the 90's and 00's, it might be ok) and try to get everyone on the same performance level while continuing the ban on the unsafe ones (amphetamines). Logically, there would be diminishing returns on supplementing these legal course with the banned substances if the legal course is well thought out. 

Either way, Lance is a huge asshole. 

Esterhaus

June 7th, 2020 at 7:03 PM ^

I represented USPS in its negotiations with Lance for USPS media representation mid-to-late nineties. I met Lance in person. His appearance would vary considerably day-to-day. Now, I believe his hyper-aggressive demeanor at times was at least partly a function of the drugs, doping and/or paranoia about being detected. I experienced the same thing with a roided-out workout partner once when I jokingly failed to pick up his shirt he’d slung over his shoulder and dropped during an intensive workout and next thing I knew was being suspended three inches above ground by my neck and his ridiculously over-sized arm as he was threatening to kill me for my failure. Drugs are bad, m’kay? In Lance’s case it cost him his balls. Gentlemen, need I say more?

I'mTheStig

June 8th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^

He was an asshole before the drugs too.  We are the same age -- I was in a triathlon he was in when we were 16.  Don't think he was doping then.

The crazy thing is, Lance has all the talent in the world and crazy physiology.  There was some kind of sports medicine study done where results of some of his treadmills tests were published.  Dude creates a fraction of the lactic acid a normal person does.  Meaning he could pedal forever.  Didn't need to dope but he did because everyone else was doing it.

Everyone Murders

June 7th, 2020 at 8:09 PM ^

Didn't cost him his balls.  Cost him a ball, at most.

I was aware of Armstrong from his triathlon days.  Amazing VO2 max, etc.  But he lost me fairly early on, when it was clear he was doping (LA Confidential, etc.) and even clearer he was bullying Greg Lemond.  Lemond was a truly amazing guy, and has more integrity in his little finger than Armstrong has in his entire body.

Frankie Andreu was amazing, a fantastic domestique, and I loved that he was from SE Michigan.  Definitely a fan of his cycling and his integrity.  Betsy isn't wrong on accusing Armstrong, but she is one annoying person.  Like the Susie Greene (i.e., the Susie Essman CYE character) of the cycling world.

Bodogblog

June 7th, 2020 at 7:09 PM ^

The part about Armstrong's people telling the producer that Andreu's issue with him is that he wants her is priceless.  The most Armstrong thing ever.  He certainly told them to say that. 

And it's a near certainty that it's the other way around - he's probably been crushing on her for decades, and that's probably the reason he'll admit most of it, but not the hospital room at IU. 

Really enjoyed the documentary.  There's a part where the producer asks Armstrong and his fiance how they met, and they both kind of hem and haw.  But only briefly, because a moment later Armstrong cuts his finger and there's such a commotion they don't answer.  Does anyone know any more of the story on that?  It just seemed like they didn't want to answer, and he either cut his finger because he was distracted, or - and I known this sounds nuts, but would not at all out it past him - he did it on purpose to deflect. I'd lay money that one of them was doing something they shouldn't have been when they hooked up. Armstrong is very smart, very deceitful, and really would have loved lying about himself for the rest of his life.  Just like Coach K at Duke.  

Navy Wolverine

June 7th, 2020 at 9:11 PM ^

I find it strange that it is usually Betsy Andeu telling this story and not Frankie. Why don't we hear from him? Betsy wasn't his teammate. She wasn't there day to day. Of course Frankie was doping too.

I found the Armstrong 30-for-30 special very interesting. I really don't blame Lance for doping because every other rider was as well. Somebody on the show said that doping probably gives a rider a 10% advantage; the TDF is a 100 hour race where the last rider finishes within 2 hours of the yellow jersey so you can do the math. If you weren't doping you had no chance to be competitive and weren't really relevant in the sport. I think this is an aspect of the story that is somewhat ignored.

Armstrong's huge mistake was his scorched earth campaign against his accusers. His second biggest mistake was coming back in 2008 which put the spotlight back on him and all of the questions. He should have cut a deal with USADA and come clean but his massive ego wouldn't allow it. If he had come clean, he would have been slapped with a 2-year suspension, could have exposed the entire sport as being dirty hence justifying why he doped himself, would have saved himself Millions of dollars and maybe he would have salvaged at least a morsel of his tattered reputation.  

 

 

 

jmblue

June 7th, 2020 at 9:45 PM ^

Everyone was doping back then, but not all people experience the same benefit in performance.  Armstrong unquestionably benefitted more than the average rider, as he went from a one-day classics specialist to a guy who was dominating the 3-week TDF and destroying everyone in the mountains.  

trueblueintexas

June 8th, 2020 at 1:08 AM ^

I found the 30 for 30 interesting for the insight on just how bad the doping in cycling really was/is and how the organizations responsible for keeping it clean were just as fallible.


I lived in Austin through the bulk of Armstrong’s career and came across people who worshiped him until they met him. Then the view was unanimous: self-centered asshole. I was at a couple of events he was at and when you are that self focused you can’t hide who you really are for very long.