Ohio to Learn Official Sanctions at 3PM Today
Let the speculation begin.
Edit: Word is that the media will get first crack at seeing what the NCAA came up with at 2PM. I'll keep an eye on twitter and update the post appropriately.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:22 AM ^
Emmert....you're fired!!!
December 20th, 2011 at 11:41 AM ^
Hey you , I retire!
December 20th, 2011 at 11:34 AM ^
We knew what the penalty would be as soon as they fired tressel. Once it became obvious that they were pinning the whole thing on Tressel (and he bent over for it) we knew the NCAA wouldn't really do anything. Further evidence of the outcome was when they were only charged with failure to monitor and not lack of institutional control.
Here's a question though...can the NCAA decide it won't tolerate cooperation stonewalling? Can they say "You won't give us everything we need for a full investigation so we're going to impose an automatic 5-scholarship reduction and post-season ban for the next two years." ? That seems like reasonable punishment. Just institute an automatic sanction for not cooperating to their satisfaction. Can they not do this? or is there too much of a lawsuit risk?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
Isn't that basically what happened to USC? Punishment because they wouldn't cooperate? That seems like a reasonable precedent to follow. OSU won't risk a lawsuit though, because then the NCAA would be able to use court-sanctioned discovery to obtain information that they had no authority to request otherwise.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:47 AM ^
My point is that they could institute a clear and precise penalty. Don't comply and you get this minimum penalty. Then they can adjust it based on what they do or don't find later on. I suppose the problem is that it seems reasonable and logical. Two words that aren't in the NCAA dictionary.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
Yes, I would be in favor of your proposal. The problems are that (1) when you're already relying on the schools to self-report, with the idea that self-reporting may necessitate further investigation, chances are schools will start clamming up to avoid this further investigation and possible invoking of the non-compliance penalty; (2) when you have no real power that isn't delegated to you by the member schools, there's always a balancing factor of whether you've either overstepped (getting the member schools angry and revoking that authorization) or exposed yourself as being a powerless figurehead (thus necessitating your removal). I'm hoping that the trend of the last few years will force either a disbanding or restructuring of the NCAA.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
After careful deliberation, head of NCAA Compliance Mark Emmert answered, "I'm just happy Gordon Gee didn't sanction us."
December 20th, 2011 at 11:40 AM ^
NCAAs history of looking the other way when it comes to OSU and Gene Smith/Gordon Gee good ol' boy network connections say the NCAA probably takes away scholarships and bowls from Michigan for OSU's cheating.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
December 20th, 2011 at 11:57 AM ^
This isn't some great mystery. The charges are all in the 2 NOAs that Ohio State has received. No more, no less.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
Best possible situation if Ohio gets limited penalties:
USC complains
NCAA investigates Oregon, Stanford
More powerhouses sidelined with suspensions and sanctions
December 20th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
What did Stanford do?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:52 AM ^
What didn't Stanford do?
I have no idea what that means.....carry on
December 20th, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^
something
December 20th, 2011 at 11:48 AM ^
It is all about money. Common, the story about Pryor and the other hooligans was out before last year's bowl game and the NCAA still allowed the players in question to play. Many people know that the NCAA is a joke, full of double standards, favoritism, nepotism. It's all about $$$ and taking care of your friends (Emmert and Smith have known each other for a VERY long time). Most sports writers know this, and many write about the hypocrisy that the NCAA is, however, they are all small fish. It would take an entity more powerful than the NCAA to shake things up. Good luck with that.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:12 PM ^
"It would take an entity more powerful than the NCAA to shake things up."
I'm having trouble coming up with an entity that wouldn't satisfy the prerequisite here....
December 20th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^
until 3 and not try to act like I know what's gonna happen.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^
I fully expect a post from Brian, titled: "WELL, THAT HAPPENED..."
December 20th, 2011 at 12:11 PM ^
It would be funny if OSU is hit with a post season ban, with Meyer telling all of the recruits that nothing is going to happen he will look like a major liar. This could all blow up in Urban's face.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:24 PM ^
That would be fantastic, but it won't happen. I'm fully confident that Ohio will get away with a slap on the wrist. That's just the way it happens with Ohio now. They're a powerhouse program and the NCAA knows that. They don't want Ohio to be down because of all the money they generate.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^
I find the excuse that OSU makes a ton of money for the NCAA bullshit, if OSU falls off the face of the earth another school is right there to jump in. Also how much money is the investigation of OSU costing the NCAA. USC during the last decade was bigger than OSU and the NCAA bitch slapped them, I could very well see them doing the same thing to OSU.
Remember that Gene Smith lied to the NCAA and told them this was an isolated case, then the NCAA found out that it wasn't.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:22 PM ^
I hope you're right, but I just don't see it happening. Just a gut feeling.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^
We have NEVER got a straight answer on when the NCAA will announce the results. First it was November, then December, then oh wait maybe after the 1st of the year? Nope, now back to December.
Ok, so now the NCAA sees Urban blabbing about how "nothing will happen," telling recruits the same (leading them on?). My gut tells me that the NCAA feels a moral obligation to clear the air, so Ohio can stop altering kids futures based on pure conjectures.
Let's hope my gut acts like Sam Webb's.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
I'm guessing this blog will crash or run very slowly right around 3:00 today. This thread will have 500+ replies.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:30 PM ^
Who are you kidding? Some numbskulls are going to start like 5 new threads about it.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^
And I was right.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:30 PM ^
I hope USC goes ape shit after this wrist slap. Unfortunately Oregon is up to shady dealings so it may be a scratch my back situation where the Pac 12 will not join the suit w/ USC and/or pressure them to not say anything.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
Speculation begin? I think we are way past that point
December 20th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^
I can tell you from here in Ohio they are convinced that nothing else is going to happen. My OSU friends are all saying the same thing reported earlier - that Meyer has been told that there will be NO severe consequences and no real additional punishment.
I don't know which pisses me off more. That there will be no additional consequences or that somebody in the NCAA feels the need to tell Meyer that. Both suck and speak volumes about who the NCAA wants to protect these days.
And it aint us........
December 20th, 2011 at 12:36 PM ^
All schools that belong to the NCAA do so voluntarily, and all the rules passed by the NCAA are agreed to voluntarily by the member instituitions. I always find it enlightening when a school attempts to pit it as them versus the NCAA when the school is, in fact, the NCAA itself. That's why the mechanisms are set up for self enforcement and self reporting. Also why the NCAA has no subpoena powers as it is a private organization. About the only time the NCAA appears to get to the bottom of anything is when they run an investigation concurrent with the running of a criminal investigation by either a local or state or federal prosecutor.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:57 PM ^
The sanctions are being released an hour early to the media so they "have time to read through the report." Take that as you will.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^
"Ohio State is considered a repeat offender, since the tattoo problems arose while it was still under probation from violations committed in the men’s basketball program under Jim O’Brien. Smith has long said it would be difficult to predict the final sanctions this time because the repeat violator tag opens the possibility of almost any resolution."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AozRo9GAAMBeFYBNcjyD7JE5nYcB?slug=ap-ncaa-ohiost
December 20th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
they'll get two slaps on the wrist?
December 20th, 2011 at 1:31 PM ^
...is that OSU discovered the incriminating Tressel e-mails in the course of responding to an FOIA request. They tell us that request was "unrelated", and since they wouldn't lie I think we can be pretty sure it wasn't specifically requesting all communications between Tressel and Cicero regarding Rife.
But am I the only one wondering what it did request? Whatever the target, it must have included electronic communications of Jim Tressel during the relevant period. What were they after, and who was after it? And what did they actually get?
If I were a journalist I'd be sorely tempted to avoid the rush to print with a scoop a la Dohrmann. The big payoff would be to have damning evidence about something, and evidence the school and NCAA knew about that something, then have the NCAA ignore it in the leveling of penalties.
Sooner or later that's going to happen.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
In its ruling to be made public this afternoon, the NCAA Committee of Infractions will levy the bowl ban and two other penalties on top of the ones the university already imposed on itself, the sources said. The NCAA will:
* Strip four more football scholarships over the next three years on top of Ohio State’s prior forfeiture of five scholarships over that span.
* Add an additional year of probation to OSU’s self-imposed two-year probation for the football program, meaning any violations through the 2013 season could draw harsher-than-normal penalties.
The NCAA also will hand a show-cause penalty to former head coach Jim Tressel for failing to report that some team members improperly sold memorabilia and for allowing ineligible players to compete throughout the 2010 season.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html