The trick would be getting players to agree to such a thing when up-front payments are being offered elsewhere. People aren’t actually asking these players to do a whole lot to earn their big money. It is 100% about paying players to be at a certain school. If you’re making players routinely make appearances, they’ll still just pick the school where they’re getting money up front just to be there and we’re in the exact same position.
That’s not NIL. That would be an employment contract between the player and the school. NIL, by definition, comes from third party sources and can’t be contingent upon playing at a certain school.
I think it just comes down to how much you want to spend on backups, third stringers and freshmen. Once you’re paying guys that far down the roster significant money, all the players at their level or above are going to want the same or more. It’s easy for us to sit here and figuratively spend other people’s money but that’s not the way the real world works.
Eventually this is all going to balance out and backup corners aren’t going to get 6 figure offers to begin with. This isn’t a sustainable system
Doesn’t really matter unless the terms of the deal were payment per appearance. They signed the individual. If the “nature of the agreement” is contingent upon him being a Michigan State football player, that is against the rules.
NIL can’t be contingent upon playing at a specific school, so it really wouldn’t matter if he took the payment up front or not. If he signed a deal, they have to honor it.
Utah’s chances are probably better than UM’s. And if we’re being honest, Evans isn’t the type of player that is going to command game changing NIL. Especially in a sport that isn’t exactly throwing a ton of money around to begin with.
Not to take anything away from KBA, she’s done a fantastic job and has taken the program to new heights. But “building the program up from nothing” is taking away a lot of the credit that Kevin Borseth deserves for making this program respectable. KBA inherited a team that made the NCAA Tournament.
I mean you have other Michigan backups going out there and getting the job done with the same personnel Warren had. Tuttle went 15/17 last year. Denegal went 4/5.
“Nor does who he is playing with, the intensity of the game,”
I don’t know how much you think a spring game differs intensity wise compared to garbage time of a real game, but Michigan’s backups/3rd string aren’t so bad that you should be completing less that 1/3 of your passes
”It’s ludicrous to draw this conclusion about someone the program really clearly likes.”
How? He’s had a couple good spring games, and clearly that hasn’t translated to the field. Or is your argument that 5/16 passing is an adequate representation of his positive spring game showings? And they “like” him. They like all of their players. But he’s been noticeably absent from all of the insider tidbits and mentions for starting. Rumblings have all been about Orji, Denegal, and Tuttle (referencing his position when he’s back from injury) with passing mentions about Warren and Jadyn Davis.
You think JJ only throwing for ~200 yards a game might have something to do with not taking a snap in the 4th quarter of 2/3 of our games? This has been gone over multiple times. JJ had more first half pass attempts than any of the other QBs in the draft. Because of a combination of Michigan blowing teams out and JJ sitting the 4th quarter, this bullshit narrative of him not being asked to do much exists. Sorry Michigan wasn’t airing it out while up 3 scores in the 2nd half I guess.
People aren’t concerned about Orji because of the spring game. People are concerned because you’re looking at a guy who hasn’t shown anything other than that he has a strong arm and is athletic. Accuracy was a concern coming out of high school, he’s done nothing to squash those concerns. Mechanics were a concern coming out of high school, still appears to struggle with footwork and a sidearm release. It was to the point where scouts were openly questioning whether Orji would even play QB in college.
The point is that nothing about his performance yesterday did anything to put those concerns to rest. Not that his performance is causing those concerns, they were present in everyone’s mind long before they took the field yesterday.
He’s 5/14 in his career with a pick. Small sample size and it’s spread out over garbage time in two seasons, but the in-game data doesn’t match the spring game performances.
“We strive for our QBs to be productive and efficient.
The concern being that completing 12/19 passes for 97 isn’t productive or efficient. There is nothing productive or efficient about 5.1 YPA or 8.0 YPComp.
Now quit with the JJ comparison. JJ was a 5* QB with a proven arm. Orji was a 3* who wasn’t even expected to play QB in college and has shown absolutely nothing to say he has an adequate arm.
I’m not saying he can’t be a viable QB, I’m saying he didn’t disprove the concerns today. A good completion percentage on a bunch of short throws doesn’t change the narrative at all.
JJ didn’t have narratives that needed defeating either though. I’m not saying we should look too deep into the spring game, I’m saying the opposite actually. None of the questions or concerns regarding Orji have been answered. An okay completion percentage with exclusively short stuff means nothing
“At one point, Alex Orji was 12/17 (70%) for 97 yards.”
Grain of salt: I wasn’t able to watch, BUT that comes out to 8 yards per COMPLETION, which implies a LOT of short stuff. For comparison, that’s a full 4.5 yards fewer than JJ had and 4.2 fewer than Cade McNamara had here. So you’re not really going to get away from that accuracy concern if you’re talking about completion % on short stuff.
Not to mention, 97 yards on 17 attempts based on how much Michigan throws the ball over the course of a game is going to be like 120 yards a game, so again you’re really not moving the needle here for people who are concerned about what he brings to the table as a passer.
Warren has looked really good the past few spring games and it just doesn’t seem to carry over into games (from what little we’ve seen of him) and the practice reports seem to be overlooking him
I get Brian’s frustration with designing an offense with run reads being a focal aspect and not having those reads be live the majority of the time.
If you’re not going to let your QB run, that’s fine. But don’t design your offense with read option/RPO looks, use it as a change up instead.
I don’t think anyone suggested running JJ 15 times a game, but if your going to call plays with those reads you have to let your QB make the reads. JJ’s abilities with his legs would force teams to respect it and would open up the other side for the backs or it would suck up the linebackers to get hit on an RPO.
The offense was good enough to win a national champion because we had a top 5 pick at QB behind a really good OL and Blake Corum at running back. But there were concepts that were there that would really take them to a new level, they just held them back. I get the frustrations in seeing that potential go to waste because unleashing it is what allows you to recruit more guys like JJ.
To be fair, “we” didn’t punish Harbaugh for those three games. The B1G did, and Michigan was intent upon fighting the suspension until it became pretty clear we weren’t going to win the case and fighting it wouldn’t have been resolved in a timely manner anyway.
Rooths has athletic upside and the word on his poor shooting is it’s more about poor shot selection than bad technique or anything, which seems easier to get out of his system.
But he definitely sounds like a work in progress more than a college-ready guy.
I mean, JJ didn’t play the fourth quarter of like 7 or 8 games. Three other QBs attempted a pass, Orji not being one of them. Seems like there was plenty of opportunity to get Orji some reps at various points throughout the season.
Part of that is QBs wanting to go where they can throw the ball, so we weren’t really in it on the elite recruitments for the most part. Another part is recruiting a couple high floor guys (Cade and Peters) who were never going to be “elite” and your high ceiling guys (Milton and McCaffrey) not sticking it out long enough to see the fruits of their development with UM.
They’ve had a decent run of new programs joining the past few years: St. Thomas, Long Island, Lindenwood, and Augustana. Binghamton is starting next season and then Simon Fraser and Tennessee State are starting programs in the near future as well I believe.
The biggest hurdles are typically funding (hockey is EXPENSIVE) and finding somewhere to play. Between that and the lack of success in these startup programs is probably discouraging some schools.
Ultimately I think it needs to be a push from the conferences to convince schools to create programs. The problem there is that the B1G is the only conference that isn’t hockey-only, so the other conferences would have to approach schools independently.
The thing with recruiting strictly overagers is that you’re typically playing for windows. You recruit a core group and if they develop well, you can have a 2-3 year window of competing with the big boys before falling back to the mean. Sometimes they don’t develop like you’d hope and you get stuck in the cellar. Smaller schools HAVE to take this route because they simply can’t compete with the big time programs for the NHL talent or the fringe guys. And doing it (successfully) is the only way to counter the high skill of those teams.
Recruiting those high draft picks leads to much more consistent success, IF you’re able to do it year over year. If you have an off year recruiting and you have a handful of guys leave early, you’re in for a rough year or two. The flip side is, a stellar recruiting class can completely flip the script back. BC went from 14-16-6 last year to 34-6-1 this year and played in the title game for example.
I don’t think anyone “wants” to strictly do one over the other. I’m sure Quinnipiac would love a first round pick or two. And major programs need guys who stick around 3-4 years as well. Like you mentioned, it’s all about finding that balance and hitting on those guys that stick with the program for multiple years.
Yeah there’s no way you can read that course of events and believe he wasn’t intoxicated. Whether he was charged or not, there’s zero chance they were sober.
He has athletic upside, but his scouting report paints a picture of a guy who struggles shooting the ball, poor shot selection, not good with the ball in his hands, and poor assist-turnover ratio. Sounds like he has a lot of work to do before we’re talking NBA.
Reading up on Rooths, it appears he has a lot he needs to work on before being a significant contributor anyway. But I also didn’t necessarily read the order Brian listed them in as a depth chart, more just listing guys based on their position
You have to be careful just looking at raw numbers when looking at prospects. The NAHL isn’t a strong juniors league in comparison to the USHL.
Its not unheard of, but is rarer for Michigan to recruit players out of the NAHL. The current roster has two players, Brendan Miles and Josh Orrico, who came to Michigan straight from the NAHL. Orrico appeared in 7 games, Miles in 6. For comparison, the USHL (including the USNTDP, which plays a USHL schedule) sent 15 players to UofM.
Peck’s numbers are good, but he’ll also be facing a much more significant step up in competition when he gets to college.
Shows how much I know. The two I felt most likely to come back (Nazar and Brindley) are gone and the one I though was gone for sure is back.
Michigan has a projected first rounder and a second rounder coming in at forward. Hoping Hughes doesn’t get too much free agency interest from the NHL and Duke comes back(edit: welp, missed that he signed too). Coupled with the return from injury from Hallum, and another year from Moldenhauer and Schifsky, we should reload pretty well offensively.
Defense is a bigger question mark as we wait to hear on Casey (NJ is pretty stacked defensively so I can see him back, but could also see him biding his time in the AHL).
Two guys committed. Cameron Korpi turns 20 next month and posted a .892 SV% and 2.98 GAA in the USHL. Stephen Peck just turned 19 and posted a .917 SV% and 2.25 GAA in the NAHL. So neither of them project as an instant impact answer at the position and you obviously wouldn’t want two true freshmen as your tandem, so the portal was always going to play a factor here.
Most likely they bring Korpi in to backup Stein and defer Peck until next season.
I’d also caution looking too deeply at Stein’s #s at Ferris. Ferris was terrible, but the rest of the CCHA was pretty horrid this year as well so the competition wasn’t much to brag about either. Probably be similar to Barczewski where the combination of playing with a better team in front of you but also against better competition results in a slight dip in the numbers you put up previously. He went from hovering around .920 every year at Canisius to posting a .907 this season at Michigan for example.
I’d imagine there is some sort of limitation on how much can be spent per recruit at an event like that.
With silly restrictions on things like photoshoots during visits and commitment edits for recent commits, I don’t imagine the NCAA would just say “go ahead and cater in four course meals with brisket, ribs and a full assortment of sides.”
Unless the rule has changed, there’s an exception for NCAA players. The NHL team holds your rights until 30 days after you leave college. So Duke can return and his NHL team would hold his rights still
I’m not concerned about it even if we don’t. I just know there’s been some positive momentum with some guys win the past few weeks and wouldn’t be surprised if the staff encouraged them to hold off on announcing until the spring game.
Spring game being on national TV and getting a handful of commits in the immediate aftermath would be a boost of positive momentum. More impactful than a couple random commits.
First of all, I said it’s clear they are REPRESENTATIVES of their respective universities. Learn to read.
They wake up on the school’s campus, go to class, eat in the cafeteria, work out in the school’s gym, put on the school athletics uniforms and play games. Let me know when you see Donovan Edwards out there wearing Fox uniforms and not University of Michigan ones.
Your condescending tone throughout this thread is hilarious considering it’s quite clear to everyone you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or how the economy works.
I thought we had a good shot of him coming back. He’s made some flashy plays but hasn’t really stood out in a way where you’d say he’s ready. With Chicago still in the dumps and him virtually missing all of last season, I could have seen him taking in another year of college hockey.
I think the difference in pricing there is the fact that Vegas and Seattle were start-up expansions and that was the cost to enter the league, whereas this is the sale of an established team and a relocation fee. Vegas and Seattle wouldn’t sell for $500-$650 million, that was simply the cost to become an NHL team.
Well it’s currently against the rules for the university to provide any of the funding so yeah… whether they can afford it or not is irrelevant at this time. They literally need donors and companies to contribute.
Once again, it’s clear the players are representatives of their respective schools. Not the TV networks.
If you run a company, you’re not paying the people who work for one of your vendors. You pay your vendor for the product/service and it is up to THEM to distribute that payment to their employees.
Players are not currently employees, but in the context of them being paid they would be employees at that point. Quite obviously employees of their respective universities, not the networks.
“Who has determined that athletes are not employees of the networks but rather employees of the university?”
Seems pretty clear we’re rooting for the Michigan Wolverines and not the Fox Fighting Foxes…
“As of right now, athletes are NOT employees of any entity”
Correct. Which is why they’re not paid. You’re calling for them to be paid, which WOULD make them employees. Clearly this discussion is within the context of them being paid employees.
“I'm not throwing blame on anyone”
You’re literally implying that it is somehow the responsibility of the TV Network to make sure the NCAA, conferences, and schools are paying athletes or otherwise pay them directly. And that it is somehow unethical for them to make a profit…
“the two entities involved need to resolve it”
Once again with the two entities nonsense. The TV networks are paying for a product. They are paying the proper sources who own the rights to that product. What the owners of those rights do with that money has absolutely nothing to do with the networks. They have absolutely zero stake in whether the NCAA and the schools decide to compensate the players. You’re literally pushing blame on a third party for what the NCAA and its member schools choose to do with the revenue they received for their product.
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I mean sure, 5 CBs is rather shallow… but you neglected to list the rest of the corners, so there’s that.
The trick would be getting players to agree to such a thing when up-front payments are being offered elsewhere. People aren’t actually asking these players to do a whole lot to earn their big money. It is 100% about paying players to be at a certain school. If you’re making players routinely make appearances, they’ll still just pick the school where they’re getting money up front just to be there and we’re in the exact same position.
That’s not NIL. That would be an employment contract between the player and the school. NIL, by definition, comes from third party sources and can’t be contingent upon playing at a certain school.
The money isn’t coming from the programs so their bottom line is largely unaffected by this.
I think it just comes down to how much you want to spend on backups, third stringers and freshmen. Once you’re paying guys that far down the roster significant money, all the players at their level or above are going to want the same or more. It’s easy for us to sit here and figuratively spend other people’s money but that’s not the way the real world works.
Eventually this is all going to balance out and backup corners aren’t going to get 6 figure offers to begin with. This isn’t a sustainable system
Doesn’t really matter unless the terms of the deal were payment per appearance. They signed the individual. If the “nature of the agreement” is contingent upon him being a Michigan State football player, that is against the rules.
NIL can’t be contingent upon playing at a specific school, so it really wouldn’t matter if he took the payment up front or not. If he signed a deal, they have to honor it.
Utah’s chances are probably better than UM’s. And if we’re being honest, Evans isn’t the type of player that is going to command game changing NIL. Especially in a sport that isn’t exactly throwing a ton of money around to begin with.
That and/or wanting a better shot at a title.
Not to take anything away from KBA, she’s done a fantastic job and has taken the program to new heights. But “building the program up from nothing” is taking away a lot of the credit that Kevin Borseth deserves for making this program respectable. KBA inherited a team that made the NCAA Tournament.
I’m sure the narrative will switch to “wait until the hammer drops, he’ll flip”
I mean you have other Michigan backups going out there and getting the job done with the same personnel Warren had. Tuttle went 15/17 last year. Denegal went 4/5.
“Nor does who he is playing with, the intensity of the game,”
I don’t know how much you think a spring game differs intensity wise compared to garbage time of a real game, but Michigan’s backups/3rd string aren’t so bad that you should be completing less that 1/3 of your passes
”It’s ludicrous to draw this conclusion about someone the program really clearly likes.”
How? He’s had a couple good spring games, and clearly that hasn’t translated to the field. Or is your argument that 5/16 passing is an adequate representation of his positive spring game showings? And they “like” him. They like all of their players. But he’s been noticeably absent from all of the insider tidbits and mentions for starting. Rumblings have all been about Orji, Denegal, and Tuttle (referencing his position when he’s back from injury) with passing mentions about Warren and Jadyn Davis.
You think JJ only throwing for ~200 yards a game might have something to do with not taking a snap in the 4th quarter of 2/3 of our games? This has been gone over multiple times. JJ had more first half pass attempts than any of the other QBs in the draft. Because of a combination of Michigan blowing teams out and JJ sitting the 4th quarter, this bullshit narrative of him not being asked to do much exists. Sorry Michigan wasn’t airing it out while up 3 scores in the 2nd half I guess.
People aren’t concerned about Orji because of the spring game. People are concerned because you’re looking at a guy who hasn’t shown anything other than that he has a strong arm and is athletic. Accuracy was a concern coming out of high school, he’s done nothing to squash those concerns. Mechanics were a concern coming out of high school, still appears to struggle with footwork and a sidearm release. It was to the point where scouts were openly questioning whether Orji would even play QB in college.
The point is that nothing about his performance yesterday did anything to put those concerns to rest. Not that his performance is causing those concerns, they were present in everyone’s mind long before they took the field yesterday.
Brian Ferentz? Is that you?
He’s 5/14 in his career with a pick. Small sample size and it’s spread out over garbage time in two seasons, but the in-game data doesn’t match the spring game performances.
“We strive for our QBs to be productive and efficient.
The concern being that completing 12/19 passes for 97 isn’t productive or efficient. There is nothing productive or efficient about 5.1 YPA or 8.0 YPComp.
Now quit with the JJ comparison. JJ was a 5* QB with a proven arm. Orji was a 3* who wasn’t even expected to play QB in college and has shown absolutely nothing to say he has an adequate arm.
I’m not saying he can’t be a viable QB, I’m saying he didn’t disprove the concerns today. A good completion percentage on a bunch of short throws doesn’t change the narrative at all.
JJ didn’t have narratives that needed defeating either though. I’m not saying we should look too deep into the spring game, I’m saying the opposite actually. None of the questions or concerns regarding Orji have been answered. An okay completion percentage with exclusively short stuff means nothing
“At one point, Alex Orji was 12/17 (70%) for 97 yards.”
Grain of salt: I wasn’t able to watch, BUT that comes out to 8 yards per COMPLETION, which implies a LOT of short stuff. For comparison, that’s a full 4.5 yards fewer than JJ had and 4.2 fewer than Cade McNamara had here. So you’re not really going to get away from that accuracy concern if you’re talking about completion % on short stuff.
Not to mention, 97 yards on 17 attempts based on how much Michigan throws the ball over the course of a game is going to be like 120 yards a game, so again you’re really not moving the needle here for people who are concerned about what he brings to the table as a passer.
His production hasn’t been that great but we definitely need another big body out there… or bodies in general really.
Warren has looked really good the past few spring games and it just doesn’t seem to carry over into games (from what little we’ve seen of him) and the practice reports seem to be overlooking him
I get Brian’s frustration with designing an offense with run reads being a focal aspect and not having those reads be live the majority of the time.
If you’re not going to let your QB run, that’s fine. But don’t design your offense with read option/RPO looks, use it as a change up instead.
I don’t think anyone suggested running JJ 15 times a game, but if your going to call plays with those reads you have to let your QB make the reads. JJ’s abilities with his legs would force teams to respect it and would open up the other side for the backs or it would suck up the linebackers to get hit on an RPO.
The offense was good enough to win a national champion because we had a top 5 pick at QB behind a really good OL and Blake Corum at running back. But there were concepts that were there that would really take them to a new level, they just held them back. I get the frustrations in seeing that potential go to waste because unleashing it is what allows you to recruit more guys like JJ.
To be fair, “we” didn’t punish Harbaugh for those three games. The B1G did, and Michigan was intent upon fighting the suspension until it became pretty clear we weren’t going to win the case and fighting it wouldn’t have been resolved in a timely manner anyway.
Rooths has athletic upside and the word on his poor shooting is it’s more about poor shot selection than bad technique or anything, which seems easier to get out of his system.
But he definitely sounds like a work in progress more than a college-ready guy.
We outscored them 10-6 in the second half and attempted 8 passes the entire game, so it’s safe to say that yeah, we probably still get the lead.
Yeah we’ll never beat PSU without passing the ball…
I mean, JJ didn’t play the fourth quarter of like 7 or 8 games. Three other QBs attempted a pass, Orji not being one of them. Seems like there was plenty of opportunity to get Orji some reps at various points throughout the season.
Part of that is QBs wanting to go where they can throw the ball, so we weren’t really in it on the elite recruitments for the most part. Another part is recruiting a couple high floor guys (Cade and Peters) who were never going to be “elite” and your high ceiling guys (Milton and McCaffrey) not sticking it out long enough to see the fruits of their development with UM.
I don’t think they’d turn away one of the most productive offensive defensemen in the country regardless of the decisions of those players.
They’ve had a decent run of new programs joining the past few years: St. Thomas, Long Island, Lindenwood, and Augustana. Binghamton is starting next season and then Simon Fraser and Tennessee State are starting programs in the near future as well I believe.
The biggest hurdles are typically funding (hockey is EXPENSIVE) and finding somewhere to play. Between that and the lack of success in these startup programs is probably discouraging some schools.
Ultimately I think it needs to be a push from the conferences to convince schools to create programs. The problem there is that the B1G is the only conference that isn’t hockey-only, so the other conferences would have to approach schools independently.
They’re not taking up any scholarship money and there’s no limit to the number of players you can roster. So the real answer is, why not?
The thing with recruiting strictly overagers is that you’re typically playing for windows. You recruit a core group and if they develop well, you can have a 2-3 year window of competing with the big boys before falling back to the mean. Sometimes they don’t develop like you’d hope and you get stuck in the cellar. Smaller schools HAVE to take this route because they simply can’t compete with the big time programs for the NHL talent or the fringe guys. And doing it (successfully) is the only way to counter the high skill of those teams.
Recruiting those high draft picks leads to much more consistent success, IF you’re able to do it year over year. If you have an off year recruiting and you have a handful of guys leave early, you’re in for a rough year or two. The flip side is, a stellar recruiting class can completely flip the script back. BC went from 14-16-6 last year to 34-6-1 this year and played in the title game for example.
I don’t think anyone “wants” to strictly do one over the other. I’m sure Quinnipiac would love a first round pick or two. And major programs need guys who stick around 3-4 years as well. Like you mentioned, it’s all about finding that balance and hitting on those guys that stick with the program for multiple years.
Yeah there’s no way you can read that course of events and believe he wasn’t intoxicated. Whether he was charged or not, there’s zero chance they were sober.
To be fair, that’s not a very high bar.
He has athletic upside, but his scouting report paints a picture of a guy who struggles shooting the ball, poor shot selection, not good with the ball in his hands, and poor assist-turnover ratio. Sounds like he has a lot of work to do before we’re talking NBA.
Incoming first round pick and early 2nd rounder that are likely factoring into those top two lines. Hallum’s role is probably best as a 3C
Reading up on Rooths, it appears he has a lot he needs to work on before being a significant contributor anyway. But I also didn’t necessarily read the order Brian listed them in as a depth chart, more just listing guys based on their position
You have to be careful just looking at raw numbers when looking at prospects. The NAHL isn’t a strong juniors league in comparison to the USHL.
Its not unheard of, but is rarer for Michigan to recruit players out of the NAHL. The current roster has two players, Brendan Miles and Josh Orrico, who came to Michigan straight from the NAHL. Orrico appeared in 7 games, Miles in 6. For comparison, the USHL (including the USNTDP, which plays a USHL schedule) sent 15 players to UofM.
Peck’s numbers are good, but he’ll also be facing a much more significant step up in competition when he gets to college.
Shows how much I know. The two I felt most likely to come back (Nazar and Brindley) are gone and the one I though was gone for sure is back.
Michigan has a projected first rounder and a second rounder coming in at forward. Hoping Hughes doesn’t get too much free agency interest from the NHL and Duke comes back(edit: welp, missed that he signed too). Coupled with the return from injury from Hallum, and another year from Moldenhauer and Schifsky, we should reload pretty well offensively.
Defense is a bigger question mark as we wait to hear on Casey (NJ is pretty stacked defensively so I can see him back, but could also see him biding his time in the AHL).
Two guys committed. Cameron Korpi turns 20 next month and posted a .892 SV% and 2.98 GAA in the USHL. Stephen Peck just turned 19 and posted a .917 SV% and 2.25 GAA in the NAHL. So neither of them project as an instant impact answer at the position and you obviously wouldn’t want two true freshmen as your tandem, so the portal was always going to play a factor here.
Most likely they bring Korpi in to backup Stein and defer Peck until next season.
I’d also caution looking too deeply at Stein’s #s at Ferris. Ferris was terrible, but the rest of the CCHA was pretty horrid this year as well so the competition wasn’t much to brag about either. Probably be similar to Barczewski where the combination of playing with a better team in front of you but also against better competition results in a slight dip in the numbers you put up previously. He went from hovering around .920 every year at Canisius to posting a .907 this season at Michigan for example.
I’d imagine there is some sort of limitation on how much can be spent per recruit at an event like that.
With silly restrictions on things like photoshoots during visits and commitment edits for recent commits, I don’t imagine the NCAA would just say “go ahead and cater in four course meals with brisket, ribs and a full assortment of sides.”
Unless the rule has changed, there’s an exception for NCAA players. The NHL team holds your rights until 30 days after you leave college. So Duke can return and his NHL team would hold his rights still
Maybe I’m misremembering but I thought it was the exact opposite and Michigan had the #1 ranked class around this time
I’m not concerned about it even if we don’t. I just know there’s been some positive momentum with some guys win the past few weeks and wouldn’t be surprised if the staff encouraged them to hold off on announcing until the spring game.
Spring game being on national TV and getting a handful of commits in the immediate aftermath would be a boost of positive momentum. More impactful than a couple random commits.
First of all, I said it’s clear they are REPRESENTATIVES of their respective universities. Learn to read.
They wake up on the school’s campus, go to class, eat in the cafeteria, work out in the school’s gym, put on the school athletics uniforms and play games. Let me know when you see Donovan Edwards out there wearing Fox uniforms and not University of Michigan ones.
Your condescending tone throughout this thread is hilarious considering it’s quite clear to everyone you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or how the economy works.
I almost wonder if we have a few silent commits that are waiting to announce at the spring game
I thought we had a good shot of him coming back. He’s made some flashy plays but hasn’t really stood out in a way where you’d say he’s ready. With Chicago still in the dumps and him virtually missing all of last season, I could have seen him taking in another year of college hockey.
I think the difference in pricing there is the fact that Vegas and Seattle were start-up expansions and that was the cost to enter the league, whereas this is the sale of an established team and a relocation fee. Vegas and Seattle wouldn’t sell for $500-$650 million, that was simply the cost to become an NHL team.
Well it’s currently against the rules for the university to provide any of the funding so yeah… whether they can afford it or not is irrelevant at this time. They literally need donors and companies to contribute.
Once again, it’s clear the players are representatives of their respective schools. Not the TV networks.
If you run a company, you’re not paying the people who work for one of your vendors. You pay your vendor for the product/service and it is up to THEM to distribute that payment to their employees.
Players are not currently employees, but in the context of them being paid they would be employees at that point. Quite obviously employees of their respective universities, not the networks.
“Who has determined that athletes are not employees of the networks but rather employees of the university?”
Seems pretty clear we’re rooting for the Michigan Wolverines and not the Fox Fighting Foxes…
“As of right now, athletes are NOT employees of any entity”
Correct. Which is why they’re not paid. You’re calling for them to be paid, which WOULD make them employees. Clearly this discussion is within the context of them being paid employees.
“I'm not throwing blame on anyone”
You’re literally implying that it is somehow the responsibility of the TV Network to make sure the NCAA, conferences, and schools are paying athletes or otherwise pay them directly. And that it is somehow unethical for them to make a profit…
“the two entities involved need to resolve it”
Once again with the two entities nonsense. The TV networks are paying for a product. They are paying the proper sources who own the rights to that product. What the owners of those rights do with that money has absolutely nothing to do with the networks. They have absolutely zero stake in whether the NCAA and the schools decide to compensate the players. You’re literally pushing blame on a third party for what the NCAA and its member schools choose to do with the revenue they received for their product.
Okay but then we’re right back to what NIL already is