Give our problems at safety this year, what up with Vlad?
Vlad not be ready for playin
He probably play Saturday
You be thinkin JT Turner bouts to play too?
Your first fundamental problem is that you're talking about something that is jejune.
I bet we see him play Saturday.
He'll get his turn Saturday.
Vlad's an interesting case and this Saturday will tell everything.
There were rumors that his knee was still causing him problems and that he wasn't a full go. But on the other hand he played in the first four games on special teams. However, he has not played in the last two, which is where it gets interesting. If I recall correctly, you can get a medical redshirt if you're hurt and don't play after game 4. If he plays Saturday, then that is obviously out the window. But if he doesn't play, then I wonder if UM is setting it up to apply for a medical redshirt with him due to his knee.
This is from a waiver request packet:
"In order to be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete must have competed in at least one contest in the first half of the season, but no more than three contests or 30%, whichever is greater (14.2.4). The total number of contests is calculated by the schedule on the first date of competition. Participation in Conference postseason is counted as one competition."
[EDIT] I thought you only were allowed 3 games in football, but this is from USC's official blog:
"So, in the cases of Johnson, [defensive tackle Hebron] Fangupo and [safety Marshall] Jones, all played in either three or four games, which qualifies them for a hardship since 30 percent of a 12 game season is 3.6, which is rounded up to four games. A bowl game would make the season 13 games, and 30 percent of that is 3.9, which is again rounded up to four games. Either way, all three players meet the criteria for a medical hardship under the NCAA rules."
12 * 30% = 3.6. 3.6 > 3. Do they round up or down?
EDIT: And you updated your post to answer that.
... your power of deduction reminds me of this:
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
I noticed the same with Hawthorne: played first four games on special teams, but not the last two. But Mike Jones HAS played in all games. So no redshirt for him.
Interest fact. Vlad the Impaler is aka Count Dracula.
It was for this reason, that after not seeing him play against Iowa, I don't think we see him play this year. That was, in all likelihood, our last night game of the season.
As long as he's not Edward Cullen... hate that fictional douche...
You should not be familiar with that name. Nor should I.
I just had to look it up. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I know... I... Know...
No joke, my girlfriend almost dumped me because I was not more like Edward Cullen.
Yes, I've got a winner...well, did. We are no longer together.
Good for you! I don't know you but I couldn't be happier for you.
plus being a true freshman, I'm hardly surprised.
Kovacs is one of the best safeties in the country!
And don't forget that HE'S A WALK ON!!!!! I can hardly believe he slipped through the cracks. It's almost as if Tate's moxie has rubbed off on even the lowliest of UM players.
for the sake of the future, i hope the redshirt both vlad and turner, if they can.
Might as well hold him out for a redshirt now, unless we suffer some more injuries.
I hope vlad and turner redshirt. Oh and let everyone pray to the conerback gods that D. Warren stays for his senior year lol
Vlad cannot redshirt because he has been playing special teams, but I do agree that I hope Turner redshirts. I'd much rather him be a redshirt freshman with a full 4 years of eligibility ahead of him, then a sophomore with 3 years of eligibility ahead of him.
I read all the posts, and I still don't understand if Vlad can still redshirt or not. In how many games did he participate? If I remember correctly, he didn't play the first two games, and I also don't remember him playing in the last two. I wish somebody could ask Rich about this next Monday in the press conference, but then we will probably figure it out after we watch Saturday's game.
if he obtains a medical waiver. Otherwise he cannot.
He has played in the first four games (participation charts below) but has not played in the last 2. As discussed above, as long as he plays in no more than 30% of the games (4 games) and is hurt/injured/unable to play, he can apply for a medical redshirt. This is what Hemingway did last year, for example.
Thank you for the explanation!
If he's played in 4 games already, that's 33%, obviously above the 30% allowed. Unless I'm missing something, he's already lost the year. I know from experience that the NCAA follows these rules to a "T". And, IIRC, the 30% only includes regular season scheduled games.
3.6 gets rounded up to 4, so with a twelve game schedule, you can play the first four games and still get a medical redshirt.
Does it say that in the NCAA bylaws? Or is this just assumed to be correct? Yeah, I saw the USC thing, but that hardly reassures me.
I just know, in another sport, I got screwed over by a technicality, and didn't receive a medical redshirt and lost a year of eligibility.
Bylaw 18.104.22.168.6.2 States the fraction of the percent limitation is rounded up.
I was in the dark about the redshirting requirements prior to this year, but "me" has it right.
I'd rather it be that you can play a certain percentage of the season and still redshirt, it would allow the coaches some room to figure out their best starting lineups and what freshman/sophomores need more time to develop physically and mentally. I think it would act as a NFL preseason for coaches, and could very well cut down on injuries to the players that are underdeveloped and not physically ready for college football. This is why I think RR is so in favor of a college football preseason. It allows the coaches to learn more about their players, especially the young ones.
If Vlad and Turner are ready to help the team immediately, I would like to see them, and I believe we would. I care about winning games now, not whether or not they have an extra season on the back end. Why? Winning games now ultimately makes the necessary impression(s) to help get the recruits that Michigan needs to restock the team, so that when Vlad and JT are done, Michigan will have high-caliber replacements in th wings.
Think about the "what ifs" regarding some of the safety and coverage failures thus far, and then try to explain to yourself why games in the balance would not necessitate putting the best players on the field (if they are, in fact, on the sideline).
RR is not going to be thinking about next year. He is going to play them as soon as they are the best option.
I love the idea of Turner being a lock down corner, and I love it even more if we have 4 years of eligibility after Donovan leaves.
Don't be so secure in that. If Warren leaves he's gone after his third year, and even if we redshirt Turner, if he's as good as everyone hopes he will be, he could leave after 2011 or 2012.
For that reason, if it's possible, get him on the field - there's still 6 games and a bowl for him to get experience for 2010.
Vlad will get his turn. We need to remember that very, very few Freshman are ever ready to see the field. Especially if they don't enroll early.
If Vlad were better than the guys who are playing, he would be on the field. I don't think the coaches are particularly happy about having to play Jordan Kovacs extensively.
Also, from what I understand, a medical redshirt is not guaranteed just because a guy plays in less than 30% of a team's games. Players still have to apply for the waiver and, I believe, provide some proof that a medical issue prevented them from playing.
If that weren't the case, you could play every single true freshman for a couple games, then hold them out for the rest of the season, and then give them a "medical redshirt."
If Vlad's knee is indeed preventing him from playing, that's one thing. But if he's just not good enough to beat out the guys who are playing, then he can't/won't redshirt.
with your Kovacs point. I think Kovac has been a hell of SS. Hell, they pulled Williams in the MSU game in favor of Kovac. Now if only we could find a FS.
Kovacs is very limited in his abilities. He's doing a good job for a walk-on, but I don't think he's their ideal safety.
doesn't mean he's actually a good player. I think he's a pretty sure tackler, a couple of mistakes aside, but he has no speed and he's questionable in the open field. I think he may have blown his assignment on one of Iowa's long TE touchdowns as well, we'll see better in UFR.
That is more a reflection on the talent of our other safeties than it is on Kovacs ability. As Magnus said, he is doing very well for a walk-on, but our other guys should be playing well enough so that he should never have got to see playing time.
Not necessarily, time will tell. Also could be an experience issue or Vlad is still affected by his knee surgery.
There's always the possibility that Turner could leave after 2011 (or before, with all these transfers lately). However, I really doubt that a guy who can't break into the rotation despite our horrid depth in the defensive backfield is going to become a huge enough star by 2011 to enter the NFL draft early.
It happens, but it's rare that a redshirt sophomore leaves early for the NFL (and nobody has to bother giving me a list of names, because I know who they are).
You're right Magnus. I threw out 2011 because that would in fact be the earliest when he could leave school for professional opportunities. I personally would find it amazing if he were to develop in that manner, but, who knows.
The one thing I would say is that I wouldn't take much from the fact that he's not playing in 2009. Every player who has been on the field this year for any kind of meaningful reps at CB (and that only means Warren, Cissoko, Floyd and Woolfolk, amazing) has had at least 14 months working with this coaching staff. I realize it's been a shorter time with Robinson, but you get my point. Teric Jones has gotten a few reps but they were in scrub time.
My point is that everyone else in front of him has had the benefit of 14-20 months in the strength and conditioning program (doesn't this make Kovacs's accomplishments at safety this year even more impressive and, at the same time, concerning?), and he only had the benefit of about 7-9 practices before the season started. I wouldn't be shocked if the kid starts next year and does rather well with a year of training development. I don't think 2011 will see him go, but given what we expect from him, maybe 2012 will be it, and if so, then get him on the field late in games this year for experience.
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