New 2022 QB offer in CA
Michigan offered Inglewood (CA) Inglewood quarterback Justyn Martin, who has been committed to Cal since January. Michigan had been thought to be the front-runner for Nate Johnson, but the Wolverines recently offered Alabama QB Conner Harrell.
Martin is 6'4", 210 lbs. and a 4-star, the #20 QB, and #269 overall.
Remember when everyone said Tim Tebow wasn't a good QB because he had such a long delivery? Well, Martin is the right-handed version, because he always drops the ball down to his right hip on a long, circuitous path. Obviously, that does not preclude him from being a good college QB (see: Tim Tebow), but I really do not like that trait in an offense like Michigan's, which is predicated on RPO's, quick throws, etc.
Looks like there are a few RPOs on this video and he showed a quick release at 3:40 with a rusher in his face.
#11 coming off the edge at 50% speed is no Chase Young or Jayson Oweh or Chase Winovich or Josh Uche. Try that with them and you'll be on the sideline trying to catch your breath and convince the training staff you're not concussed.
Yes, a junior in high school is not ready to compete against college All-Americans.
You're missing the point.
A high schooler going 50% speed is a LOT slower than a Big Ten player going 100% speed.
Well you compared a high school junior to 4 guys who are in the NFL so I would say you are missing the point. The young man showed some ability to pass the ball accurately with a rusher in his face. Somebody other than you or me will assess his ability to develop from here.
I've learned a lot in this conversation:
1. I compared quarterback Justyn Martin to four NFL edge rushers.
2. Somebody else will also assess Justyn Martin's ability to develop.
Remember when everyone said Tim Tebow wasn't a good QB because he had such a long delivery?
Tebow was the 21st overall ranked player in the country out of high school with a 0.9919 composite ranking. He saw playing time on a National Championship-winning team his first year and won the Heisman in his second. Are you talking about when heading to the NFL?
Also, I don't think it's good to compare a recruit to one of the most successful college QBs of all time based on his size and bad throwing mechanics. This reeks of the "Joe Milton is Cam Newton 2.0" idiocy.
Yes, I'm well aware that Tebow was a highly touted QB coming out of high school.
I never said Joe Milton is Cam Newton 2.0, and I didn't say Justyn Martin is Tim Tebow. I compared Martin's throwing mechanics to Tebow's throwing mechanics, and I explained why I thought that would be a bad fit for Michigan's offense.
If that reeks of idiocy to you, then please explain your take on Justyn Martin's throwing mechanics and how they might fit into an RPO-based offense.
Honest question but I thought that Tebow was largely in an RPO-based offense in Florida under Urban Meyer. I'd be curious to know if that was the case or not.
It was a significantly different game then, and Florida did not focus on post-snap RPO's like Michigan is doing now. Florida did a lot of now screens, bubbles, zone reads, etc., but they didn't do a lot of the glance posts, snags, outs, etc. that you see from teams now.
Thanks, that makes sense esp. the screens and bubbles with Harvin being such a focal point of the offense at the time.
Ever notice that no matter how well you try to word a post, anticipating what others may say in response, there is always that one guy who attacks what you did not say?
Why are you assuming kurpit is a guy?
That reeks of idiocy.
I bet hardly anyone here knows how close Tebow was to playing for Lloyd. The only school pulling him out of Florida was us.
The prospect of Nate Johnson running an offense is exciting. Unfortunately, you read his recruiting profile and it just sounds like the epitome of someone who is doomed to fail at M. I’d take a more polished prospect with a long delivery than one who is going to require a lot of development. Feel free to prove me wrong though JH.
If you want a more polished prospect, then you should maybe be rooting for Michigan to land Conner Harrell.
I’d be more than happy with that outcome.
Absolutely, 100% Harrell over these other 2. I wish they could find a way to get Nate too, and creatively utilize his skills.
But let's get really good at 1 thing 1st - it's been awhile since it felt we were...
Football recruiting posts are fun.
In the same way buying a lottery ticket is fun.
Didn't we already offer him a little while back?
Nope. There was talk that Michigan might offer him and the coaching staff was sniffing around, but no offer was made until today (or at least today is when he posted the offer on Twitter).
He just may need to be trained for a few seasons under the watchful eye of Devin Gardner !
Unfortunately, that wasn't enough for Milton.
Tebow really wasn’t a good QB even in college. Most of his throws were just quick dumps to very good and fast WR’s who just out ran everyone He never really could read a defense he basically had one read if he’s open throw the ball if not run. Tebow was just a top notch athlete who could do a lot on his feet and was surrounded but more talent then most of the teams he played against, all of which made him like a better QB then he really was
Do you think Tommy Frazier also wasn’t a good QB in college?
Do you think Andre Ware was?
A good college quarterback? Yeah, I would say he was pretty good. I think I see where you are going with the "product of the system" argument, but guys still have the throw the passes.
....but Tebow has won more college national championships AND NFL playoff games than Matt Stafford.
GTFOH. Tim Tebow was the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy, rushed and passed for 51 TDs in 2007, and nearly won the award again in 2008 when he led the nation in passing efficiency and actually received more first-place votes than the two players ahead of him.
At the end of his college career, Tebow held five NCAA, 14 SEC and 28 Florida statistical records. Among many mentions in the NCAA Division-I record book, Tebow is ranked second in career passing efficiency, third in career yards per attempt (9.33), eighth in career rushing touchdowns, and also owns the record for most consecutive games in which he both threw at least one touchdown pass and scored at least one rushing touchdown (14).
Was he an elite passer? Not in terms of mechanics and certainly not by NFL standards. But he hit open receivers and the threat of his legs kept those pass-catchers open. Perhaps most importantly, he connected on deep passes extremely well--something we haven't had in a QB since...Henne?
I would not pick Tebow to be on my passing skills challenge team or win the Elite 11. But he was an amazing college QB and his career production more than proves it.
Winning the Heisman does not mean your a great QB. There are tons of players who won a Heisman at QB and sucked in the NFL. You missed interpreted everything I said. Sorry it went over your head
Right. Predicated on RPOs. Good one
Looks like Martin has some solid skills that would definitely need some refinement to be a top-tier college QB. Thank you for sharing, Magnus.
I’ve never understood bad throwing mechanics I feel like it was a natural process or I learned so young I don’t remember it. Like swimming. My reaction to people who can’t swim is disbelief. Like. Don’t drown. Seems natural to me.
Obviously quarterback is a whole other level, but I see some high schoolers who throw right-handed and step with their right foot. I'm like, "You're 16 years old and have been playing football for seven years, but you can't even step with the correct foot?" It boggles my mind.
I honestly don't understand how more parents don't put an emphasis on just basic athleticism. Just go out in the yard and play catch with your kid. Kick a soccer ball back and forth. Run. Climb. Humans weren't made to completely lack athleticism. Humans used to have to run, jump, walk, climb, etc. just to survive.
What I was getting at is there’s a natural way to throw and I don’t get why you’d throw in a weird way
You hit it on the head with the human evolution bit. People, a lot like me, threw spears at beasts and that’s just how it worked for hundreds of thousands of years
Right, and I agree. I don't have perfect throwing form, but it didn't take me long to learn to throw decently enough as a kid to play pitcher, shortstop, etc. But I learned as a kid because I went out in the yard and threw with my dad, my grandpa, etc.
Not at all seeing the Tebow comparison, Tebow had very short arms, and was never taught proper qb mechanics. In HS and at They were more worried about his running than passing. What I see in this kid is very long arms, that’s why his wind up is funny looking but not out of the ordinary. His throwing motion can be tightened up at the next level.
Big fan of Harrell
Zzzzzzzzz. Harbaugh has to win - period.
This seems relevant.
His film kind of reminds me of Michael Penix at IU (perhaps it's just his build). He does have a little bit of a hitch where he drops the ball low just a little bit and loops the ball around with an over the shoulder release, but it didn't appear to me quite as pronounced as what I remember from Tebow's throwing motion. It literally looked like he was doing wind mill stretches to me, which is kinda surprising he was productive as he was in college without correcting that.
Overall, I agree his coaches in college probably need to work with him on shortening up his throwing motion, but it didn't strike me as something that would make him unplayable at the college level if he doesn't change it.
I've heard from some coaches there are some little things you can work on related to mechanics to make guys more efficient, but quarterbacks have a lot of different types of throwing motions that come natural to them individually and it's also important not to make them too mechanical. I want to say Harbaugh might have even said that was his philosophy on quarterback mechanics.